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Posted: 9/1/2005 12:42:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/1/2005 12:44:17 PM EDT by jlemmy]
Last week I purchased and installed a enidine hydraulic buffer in my new dpms
m4 after reading so may positive reviews here . On its first range trip the rifle functioned
flawlessly except for not locking open on an empty mag . My rifle has a 16 inch barrel and
I'm using lc 62gr green tip . I purchased a tubb spring but will this make the problem worse
or better ? It will be a couple of weeks before the next range trip but should I chalk up a
100 dollar loss and buy the MGI buffer . I don't think installing a lighter spring so my buffer
will impact the frame harder is acceptable . What are your thoughts please ?

Jeff
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 1:12:47 PM EDT
The bolt not being held back has been reported by several users. If this is a common and "normal" by product of using the buffer I will purchase an MGI buffer as well.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 1:19:18 PM EDT
Hell I'll give you $70.00 for your Enidine buffer... E-mail or PM me if interested.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 1:22:03 PM EDT

Originally Posted By DevL:
The bolt not being held back has been reported by several users. If this is a common and "normal" by product of using the buffer I will purchase an MGI buffer as well.

Well, since you don't appear to be joking I have to say "WTF?". That's no good.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 1:59:45 PM EDT
i dont own a eindine but have any of the ones experiencing the problems upgrade their mag springs?

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i have the mgi and it functions flawlessly
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:00:39 PM EDT
I had read in other reviews that this is possible but with short barreled ar's ( 11.5")
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 2:55:10 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jlemmy:
I had read in other reviews that this is possible but with short barreled ar's ( 11.5")





read what
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 3:05:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/1/2005 3:07:04 PM EDT by RustyTX]
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 6:08:34 PM EDT
Rusty, are you carrying the enidine buffer now?
-sigadvantage-
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 6:48:49 PM EDT
I've never had any such problems with my MGI's.
Link Posted: 9/1/2005 6:54:35 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 3:47:26 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 7:55:34 AM EDT
I believe I solved the problem . There is a MGI buffer on it's way to me .
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 8:17:15 AM EDT
How much you want for the 2nd hand Enidine?
Link Posted: 9/2/2005 10:58:57 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SimonTan:
How much you want for the 2nd hand Enidine?



Sorry Simon I beat you to it! Funds went out this morning to Jeff for the lightly used Enidine buffer. It should make a nice addition to my LW 10.3"

Jesse
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 7:10:09 AM EDT
I could T&E the Enidine buffer just last weekend with some of my mates.

We had 15.5 , 14.5 , 16 and 20" barrels carbines , all of us were amazed by the Enidine buffer performances and no one of us got any trouble indeed .

All of us is going to get one of this buffer for our hardware .

Jus my 0.2 Eurocents,
PP out
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 7:21:23 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 8:15:34 AM EDT
Enidine is looking at prepping a special 'big-bore' buffer for the .458s,.499s and .50s of this world. Stay tuned.

Grant....you going to make Modern Day Marine in Q-Town? Should have a M95 and a rifle length Arrestor there.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 8:42:30 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 2:17:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:
The #1 problem people have with the Enidine is that they are NOT using Military grade ammo. Commercial stuff is generally to under pressured to get the bolt to lock back on the last round. They are also using some fancy spring when they should just be using a normal car spring.



The original poster was using Lake City ammo and a standard CAR spring.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 2:18:05 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 2:54:45 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 2:59:42 PM EDT
He sure didn't give it much of a chance did he? Why ask for opinions if you are just going to ignore all the good advice? Just MY opinion here. I think the Enidine buffers kick a**.
Link Posted: 9/10/2005 3:38:48 PM EDT
Heh.....MisterJG just got an Enidine for below cost.

Simon
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 9:25:31 PM EDT
Sorry , out of town and unable to respond . The lake city ammo I was using was the individually boxed federal not the bulk pd . But after reading in the ammo section , I see that even this ammo is a reject of some sort . Talk about false advertising . Can full pressure 5.56 nato ammo that has passed all tests even be purchased ? So maybe it could have been fixed with a change of ammo . My rifle range is 2.5 hours away and I don't want to take any chances with my primary home defense tool . Either way my rifle now holds open with any ammo and misterjg got a deal on a barley used buffer. Everyone won
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 9:42:04 PM EDT
All surplus ammo is seconds AFAIK. There isn't enough Grade 1 to fill demand and Uncle Sam ahs to buy in.

Some of the older foreign stuff might be 'proper' surplus.

My guns are tested with 62gr. Black Hills Blue Box.

Simon

Simon
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 9:42:05 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 9:44:59 PM EDT
Where can I read up more info and reviews on this buffer, sounds interesting. And im building a 14.5 m4gery so it might help, yes?
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 9:51:51 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2005 9:54:30 PM EDT by SimonTan]
Memyselfi.....if you are in the Hondo area, just get in touch with 48th Highlander of Grenadier Precision and he'll likely take you out and let you shoot his LW gas piston SBR with the enidine.

Enidine AR-restor PDF
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 9:59:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By SimonTan:
Memyselfi.....if you are in the Hondo area, just get in touch with 48th Highlander of Grenadier Precision and he'll likely take you out and let you shoot his LW gas piston SBR with the enidine.

Enidine AR-restor PDF



Thanks, im actually in the west houston area...dont know where hondo is
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 10:23:15 PM EDT
A quick note to those that say I'm not listening to good advice. All responses up till I left town for a few days said that my problem was NORMAL with the endine buffer or to install a lighter spring which I said in my 1st post was unacceptable. Or even to lube up the buffer and spring , which I have read elswhere here is not recomended. If you think the gun you stake your life and that of your family on not functioning properly with ANY type of ammo is acceptable then go ahead and buy the endine and good luck !
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:55:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:......problem people have with the Enidine is that they are NOT using Military grade ammo.....


Grant,

we also shot American Eagle 55gr FMJ ammo , no troubles found even in 10.5 barrel .

PP out
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 3:26:46 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 10:55:50 AM EDT

Originally Posted By memyselfandi:

Originally Posted By SimonTan:
Memyselfi.....if you are in the Hondo area, just get in touch with 48th Highlander of Grenadier Precision and he'll likely take you out and let you shoot his LW gas piston SBR with the enidine.

Enidine AR-restor PDF



Thanks, im actually in the west houston area...dont know where hondo is



Hondo is about 45 minutes west of San Antonio on HWY 90. If your ever in the San Antonio or Hondo area look us up for a test fire.

Link Posted: 9/12/2005 11:04:42 AM EDT
I've had no problems using 10, 10.5, 11.5, 14.5 and 16 inch uppers. Also used Lake City XM193 and 55gr PMC. Also some old South African. First I've heard of this issue. The only thing I notice is that it takes a little extra umph to lock the slide back. Other than that no problems.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 8:11:01 AM EDT
NewARGuy, please post your findings witht he Enidine!
I haven't tried mine yet, my upper is at Adco.

Thanks,
Nuts{WoC}
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 11:57:59 AM EDT
I have had the same problems with teh enidine buffer in my SPR. I tried the Wolf heavy buffer spring, the buffer that came with my LMT stock and the standard CAR buffer spring. The only one that worked with holding the bolt open was the CAR spring. Both of the other springs shot fine but would not hold the bolt open after the last round. I was also using new OKay usgi mags and new HK mags. When I put my MGI buffer in I had no problems whatsoever.
The enidine buffer works and does smooth the rifle out when shooting but having to use the CAR spring did make the weapon lose some of the smoothness and gave it slightly more recoil. I like the enidine but do recommend the MGI.
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 12:03:43 PM EDT

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

Originally Posted By PincoPalla:
I could T&E the Enidine buffer just last weekend with some of my mates.

We had 15.5 , 14.5 , 16 and 20" barrels carbines , all of us were amazed by the Enidine buffer performances and no one of us got any trouble indeed .

All of us is going to get one of this buffer for our hardware .

Jus my 0.2 Eurocents,
PP out



They are good stuff for sure. The #1 problem people have with the Enidine is that they are NOT using Military grade ammo. Commercial stuff is generally to under pressured to get the bolt to lock back on the last round. They are also using some fancy spring when they should just be using a normal car spring.



C4



I was having this problem as well. I removed the Wolff Recoil spring and reinstalled the orginal CAR spring. PROBLEM SOLVED
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 1:28:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/16/2005 1:35:20 PM EDT
I just got a MGI, ACE Socom stock, and a M16 bolt+Carrier setup last week for my M4gery, i was having the same problem also, some times the bolt would hold open on a empty mag and somtimes it wouldnt. I couldnt figure it out, so i just cleaned everything and lubed the bolt assembly and buffer tube. The next day i went to the range and didnt have one problem
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 8:22:52 PM EDT
jlemmy:

I think the problem may be with short stroking because of the Enidine buffer PLUS the Tubbs recoil spring combined. Not the Enidine problem, me thinks.

Hope to hear of your experiences with the MGI, I hear it's good product.

Rick

Link Posted: 9/25/2005 10:23:31 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/25/2005 11:28:03 PM EDT by chewbacca]
How would this buffer be beneficial in a semi rifle? What about just using a h2 or h3 or 9mm buffer?


I run a h2 with standard CAR spring and with a Crane ORing and I have had zero problems with both commercial and boxed XM193.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 10:29:32 AM EDT
I'm just learning myself. Users of these buffers report less recoil and better muzzle control, especially with full auto but also with Semi.

Also, with a suppressor and subsequent higher pressures a different buffer can moderate overpressure issues.

Rick

Link Posted: 9/25/2005 8:15:47 PM EDT
jlemmy:

I think the problem may be with short stroking because of the Enidine buffer PLUS the Tubbs recoil spring combined. Not the Enidine problem, me thinks.

Hope to hear of your experiences with the MGI, I hear it's good product.

Rick


rick :

I never ran the enidine with anything but the stock car spring , I was just curious if the tubb spring would cure the isue or not. Anyway the MGI buffer is working out great . 100% reliable so far, after 1000 rounds not one issue . I'm sure the enidine is a great product , it just didn't work out for my rifle .
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 10:09:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/25/2005 10:10:49 PM EDT by eklikwhoa]
a link to an ongoing debate about the mgi and eindine


it has info about both buffers and what it does for semi-auto.

Link Posted: 9/26/2005 8:58:23 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/26/2005 9:03:31 AM EDT by new-arguy]
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