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Posted: 1/30/2006 11:55:29 PM EDT
m ear plugs with a 32Decibel reduction rating, but will they protect my ears while shooting compared to a good set of muffs? I hate shooting with muffs due to wearing shooting glasses and their uncomfortable. I also have 2 sets of the mil. ear plaus, orange color, 3 cone plug style.

Whats the best ear plug out there or what do you guys use?

Im getting my first AR this weekend and i was just wondering.

I have 20% hearing loss in my left ear already form shooting an AR without ear protection.
My mistake. Learned from it.

So what do your guys use?

Link Posted: 1/31/2006 12:02:01 AM EDT
Plugs. Better for cheek weld and fits in the VLTOR compartments!
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 12:03:59 AM EDT
Both.

Use the highest NRR you can get in a plug - usually a foam unit. Read the instructions and FOLLOW them when inserting the plug.

Keep the plugs in while on the range. Wear the headset while actually shooting, or near other shooters.

If you already have a loss, you can NOT afford to lose any more.


Lem
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 12:04:17 AM EDT
What DB rating should i get thou?
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 12:05:25 AM EDT
anyone know the rating on the mil. plugs?
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 12:05:48 AM EDT


or



with a few of



in the Vltor just in case...
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 12:18:43 AM EDT
Your hearing is nothing to play around with. I NEVER shoot a gun without some form of hearing protection.

If you want to shoot in an indoor range wear both the plugs and some muffs...your ears will thank you. Shooting outdoors it depends, if theres alot of shooting going on I like to wear both just because it drowns out the annoyance of all the other shooters. If I'm shooting some clays with a friend or just out plinking I usually only wear plugs.

I'm not sure of all the dB ratings to the plugs and muffs but if you get some that are specific to shooting it shouldn't matter. One trip to the range will tell ya if you need more protection.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 12:38:49 AM EDT
Im probably going to regret this later in life...but i usually dont shoot with ear protection, unless in an indoor range or mandatory. We usually go shooting at a range that isnt regulated, and sometimes we will be the only people there. But like i said, im sure it will catch up to me..
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 12:41:52 AM EDT
please wear ear plugs, if you dont, how will you hear the mall ninja/zombie/janet reno reject mix sneaking up on you with a butter knife?
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 1:20:41 AM EDT
Both.

I've found that the best combination is a set of foam plugs (I like the Howard Leight Max), and a set of electronic muffs (I use ProEars). You can turn the amplification up on the electronic muffs, so you can hear normal conversation while using the plugs. When the shooting starts, all is well.

I RO some of the local rifle matches, and after a day on the line with the muzzle brakes / compensators, you learn to appreciate good hearing protection.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 1:34:23 AM EDT
I'm a muff kinda guy.

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Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:55:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 2:55:47 AM EDT by Gregory_K]
use both and some saftey glasses.

most eletronic earmuffs are only 19Dd.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 4:53:13 AM EDT
Both! Always!


Link Posted: 1/31/2006 4:54:46 AM EDT
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 4:58:46 AM EDT


I wear foam plugs under electronic muffs.

Link Posted: 1/31/2006 5:01:12 AM EDT

Originally Posted By PermaNoob:
Im probably going to regret this later in life...but i usually dont shoot with ear protection, unless in an indoor range or mandatory. We usually go shooting at a range that isnt regulated, and sometimes we will be the only people there. But like i said, im sure it will catch up to me..



Huh? What did you say?

Wear both when at the range (indoor especially). Plugs alone don't handle the larger calibers well. It hurts like hell when they meet in the middle!
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 5:02:33 AM EDT
Both, and I wish I had started out shooting that way years ago. I have a significant amount of hearing damage, especially to my right ear, but I think all those rock concerts in the 80s did most of the damage. Plugs alone were never enough for me, especially in the winter. The plugs didn't expand enough in cold weather to block out all the noise.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 5:50:06 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lem:
Both.

Use the highest NRR you can get in a plug - usually a foam unit. Read the instructions and FOLLOW them when inserting the plug.

Keep the plugs in while on the range. Wear the headset while actually shooting, or near other shooters.

If you already have a loss, you can NOT afford to lose any more.


Lem



+100 on that. I used only muffs for years, and now have a 45db loss in my left ear. Use both plugs and muffs if you value your hearing.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:45:53 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DrMark:

I wear foam plugs under electronic muffs.




Big +1 on that.

Especiallly indoors or shooting a rifle with a muzzle brake

Put in the plugs, crank up the gain on the microphone input and it's like having nearly normal hearing, until you shoot, then the clipping kicks in.

Plugs alone don't shield the bones surrounding your ears, your inner ear still gets beat by bone conduction.

Muffs alone don't attenuate the sound enough.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:48:36 AM EDT
I vote for muff. But I like really high-end, top-flight, grade-A muff.

I have MSA Sordin Supreme Pro.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:49:02 AM EDT
Muffs for pistols. Plugs for rifles, carbines, and shotguns. Both when shooting my cousin's 10" FAL.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:50:16 AM EDT
muffs.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 8:17:12 AM EDT
+1 on hearing protection at all times

I use foam plugs when on the line actually shooting, when waiting for my turn, I throw a set of muff over top of those. Just one or the other isn't very effective when standing off to the side of a guy with a decent comp.

That said, part of reason you can hear with whatever protection is that the bones of your face and skull also serve to transmit vibrations that you perceive as sound. A doctor friend tells me that adding the muff to the plugs helps to dampen that quite a bit.

I'd say both when you're not the shooter, YMMV
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 8:29:05 AM EDT
I use both, with a condom over the muffs for good measure. You can't have too much protection!

Since my left ear started ringing incessantly last year, I have always doubled up to keep what I have left.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 8:58:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By STG77:



yeah yeah. rub it in why don't ya.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:01:13 AM EDT
nobody just cranks up some ACDC and shoots?????



Foam earplugs, cheap, work-well, disposable, and you don't have to worry about losing them because their cheap.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:30:04 AM EDT
I use Pro Ears muffs and they seem pretty good.
I am going to start using plugs under the muffs..

I have heard good things about the Sordins.
Has anyone compared the Pro Ears to the Sordin Supreme Pro?
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:40:21 AM EDT
I don't know what all the hub-bub is.... I use a $10 pair from a local china-mart and it works fine for an AK47, 20" 12-gauge, Glock 19, etc.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 9:59:57 AM EDT
I find earplugs dont give me near the protection (always falling out)

but earmuffs always seem to get in the way
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 11:33:23 AM EDT
I have custom molded earplugs. They stay in place better than normal foam plugs and are great at blocking sound.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 12:05:20 PM EDT
A lot of sound can travel through the bone and tissue surrounding your ear. Muffs often offer better protection. In some cases, both are required.

When I fire my .357 Sig, folks quickly see that plugs are not enough. That is how I get the range to myself.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 12:09:33 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/31/2006 4:26:17 PM EDT by SCSchultz]
I've got a pair of these and a pair of ear muffs. I prefer the ear plugs over anything, they are small, light, and dont get in the way.
http://www.radians.com/hearing/radband.asp
http://www.radians.com/hearing/images/radband.jpg
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 1:09:24 PM EDT
I think I own at least one of each type

I just order three sets of Zem from the NRA store


NRA ZEM Hearing Protection

Description A breakthrough in hearing protection, ZEM lets you hear what you need to hear but protects you from what you don’t. ZEM technology is the product of years of research and development by a renowned authority in auditory research-Dr. Jozef Zwislocki, distinguished Professor Emeritus at Syracuse University. The ZEM takes advantage of the mechanical energy of the sound wave to filter, reflect, and cancel them before they reach the ear. This remarkable technology filters out harmful, high-decibel noises, but still allows low-frequency sounds, such as talking to be heard easily. The ZEM is compact and folds up for easy storage, lightweight (only 1.7oz) for greater comfort, and gives you a noise reduction rating of 26dB.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 1:25:16 PM EDT
I'm a big big fan of my custom molded plugs. They fit perfectly, and don't start to hurt your ears from trying to expand like the cheapies do. (They also do wonders for sleep in a room with snoring people.)

I usually just use those if I'm shooting outdoors, since muffs mess up my cheekweld, but definitely both at the NRA range. You never know when some guy is going to be shooting something with a Y-Comp on it beside you or worse, a 7.62 of some type.

I already have tinnitis from lots of ear infections as a kid and having tubes installed for a while. (Probably going to lots of concerts in college didn't help either.) Then there was that time I shot Dad's .303 British without protection, and my head rang for an hour afterwards.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 1:27:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By dablues:

Originally Posted By DrMark:

I wear foam plugs under electronic muffs.




Big +1 on that...




+2

My hearing's going fast enough on it's own... just ask my wife.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 1:35:22 PM EDT
Where do you get custom molded ear plugs? sounds like a good idea. Do they keep the heavy DBs down?
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 1:39:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By silveradoguy17:
Where do you get custom molded ear plugs? sounds like a good idea. Do they keep the heavy DBs down?

.


usually there is a table at the funshows around my parts that make them for you.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 1:41:18 PM EDT
i use plugs that have the noise reduction doohickey built in.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 1:42:01 PM EDT
I will never be without my Peltors.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 1:43:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By JaketheSnake:
nobody just cranks up some ACDC and shoots?????



What about using BOSE noise canceling headphones, cranking AC/DC or better yet, jimi Hendrix. It would be like watching one of those movies floating around from the sandbox, except you'd be that star at your local range
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:13:37 PM EDT

Originally Posted By BlackLex:

Originally Posted By JaketheSnake:
nobody just cranks up some ACDC and shoots?????



What about using BOSE noise canceling headphones, cranking AC/DC or better yet, jimi Hendrix. It would be like watching one of those movies floating around from the sandbox, except you'd be that star at your local range



I made the mistake of using just my Bose Noise canceling headphones. They block out A LOT of sound normally, but as ear protection alone they arent great. When I use foam plugs AND the Bose, it's great.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:21:07 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:29:42 PM EDT
Both indoors, one or the other outdoors.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:43:28 PM EDT
Both whenever possible.

The military "flanged" plugs are rated in the high 20 db range, while the older military "cup" style were in the mid 20s. Foam plugs work better for a number of reasons, notably that they conform (once they warm up and settle) to the ear canal much better than anything but custom fitted plugs.

Custom fitted plugs are the best-but they are expensive too, so don't lose them!
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:45:59 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:48:03 PM EDT
I use earplugs. They work much better than the muffs I have, but my muffs are admittably cheap.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 2:51:13 PM EDT

Originally Posted By V-Rod:
I think I own at least one of each type

I just order three sets of Zem from the NRA store

www.nrastore.com/nra/images/detail/24352ps.jpg
NRA ZEM Hearing Protection

Description A breakthrough in hearing protection, ZEM lets you hear what you need to hear but protects you from what you don’t. ZEM technology is the product of years of research and development by a renowned authority in auditory research-Dr. Jozef Zwislocki, distinguished Professor Emeritus at Syracuse University. The ZEM takes advantage of the mechanical energy of the sound wave to filter, reflect, and cancel them before they reach the ear. This remarkable technology filters out harmful, high-decibel noises, but still allows low-frequency sounds, such as talking to be heard easily. The ZEM is compact and folds up for easy storage, lightweight (only 1.7oz) for greater comfort, and gives you a noise reduction rating of 26dB.



I wonder if you can wear them behind your neck?
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 3:07:18 PM EDT
I stop by my local home depot and pick up a few pairs of reuseable plugs. I like them because they're like $1 a pair and you can take them out and put them back in any number of times.

I've also worn plugs under my muffs when I get stuck next to the idiot shooting a .44 mag in an otherwise empty indoor range.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 4:03:17 PM EDT
I have buddy, an AR15.com member actually, who is currently deployed to Iraq. Before leaving for the sandbox his unit did a bunch of training at Ft. Dix, NJ. They're convoy escorts so they did a bunch of shooting from moving humvees; essentially Dix has setup a range you drive through with targets on each side of the road. Anyway, he's driving the humvee and has (as I remember) 2 guys with M-16s and a M-249 guy in the cab, plus another 249 up top. Just as the order is given to commence firing he realizes that he has forgotten to put in his earplugs......way he tells it they went through about 800 rounds before they ceased fire. His hearing as never been the same.......

So hearing protection is good IMO, especially when you are in an enclosed space.
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 4:08:08 PM EDT
I curl up the foam ones real tight then jam them in my ear so far my brain tickles.


(No, seriously, I do that. My Grandfather works at a factory, so he gets ear plugs for free, I have hundreds.)
Link Posted: 1/31/2006 7:17:32 PM EDT

Originally Posted By r4nger:
If you want to shoot in an indoor range wear both the plugs and some muffs...your ears will thank you.



+1

I always wear plugs and muffs when shooting in indoor ranges because I have sustained much hearing loss from my DJing days (over 10 years of that), and shooting from the age of 12 to 23 WITHOUT hearing protection. I can't get over the destruction I did to my hearing in those younger years.

Don't even get me started on one of my crazy older cousins who once fired a 10mm Glock from the inside of my car shooting at a racoon. All I heard was a blinding bang, followed by serious ringing in my ears, then followed by me yelling and screaming at the ex-military nut. And to think, my family wonders why I don't talk to that crazy SOB anymore....
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