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Posted: 12/31/2003 4:27:17 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 8:27:02 AM EDT
Something about that Eotech mounted on a M1A just looks awesome.
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 9:11:34 AM EDT
I'm amazed a sniper preffers an EO tech.  I always thought for any precision work- where it is not just hitting but where you are hitting the target (vital areas)- a magnified optic was a great help.  



4power acogs are a nice compromise between 10x dedicated sniper optics and reflex sights.

Well I guess when you have 20-10 vision you don't need magnified optics.
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 9:16:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/31/2003 9:25:00 AM EDT by Va_Dinger]
I think the M1A w/Eotech is the spotters weapon. The sniper in the other photos was armed with a M24. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure hes a trained sniper. Hes just serving in the spotters capacity on this operation.

[img]http://www.armytimes.com/content/editorial/editart/122203front17.jpg[/img]



Link Posted: 12/31/2003 10:43:08 AM EDT
Read the article Va.

[b]"From his own rooftop position, Davis tracked him with his favorite weapon — an M-14 rifle equipped with a special optic sight that has crosshairs and a red aiming dot."[/b]

[b]"In the handful of skirmishes since mid December, Davis has been credited with eight confirmed kills and two “probables,” a count no soldier in the brigade has come close to matching."[/b]
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 11:28:14 AM EDT
Looks like I standard corrected. I guess I need to reread the article.
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 11:33:49 AM EDT
Just pimpin for the God's Honest Rifle as opposed to those wacky bolt gunners [;)]
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 11:38:46 AM EDT
Originally Posted By Green0:
I'm amazed a sniper preffers an EO tech.  I always thought for any precision work- where it is not just hitting but where you are hitting the target (vital areas)- a magnified optic was a great help.  



4power acogs are a nice compromise between 10x dedicated sniper optics and reflex sights.

Well I guess when you have 20-10 vision you don't need magnified optics.
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Classic example of the difference between conventional miltary sniping and SO or LE sniping.
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 5:34:42 PM EDT
He has that Eotech all of the way back. Usually when I see an Eotech mounted it is much further forward.
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 5:37:17 PM EDT
When you are using Aimpoints or Eotechs to shoot at longer distances, having it too far out actually obscures the target area to a certain degree.
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 9:06:49 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Green0:
I'm amazed a sniper preffers an EO tech.  I always thought for any precision work- where it is not just hitting but where you are hitting the target (vital areas)- a magnified optic was a great help.  
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Two things here:

- magnification just helps you see the target, you're not any more or less accurate with it.

- If you're a police sniper then you care about where you hit them.  If your a military sniper then all you need to worry about is that you hit them COM.  The critical sniper skills in that environment/mission are the ability to move stealthily, stay hidden, identify the target, 'think like a sniper' to identify the places that enemy snipers might be found, etc.  IOW, all the skills that make the sniper different from somebody who's merely accurate with a rifle.
Link Posted: 12/31/2003 9:56:13 PM EDT
Lumpy is right about a distance shot with a Eotech ,I like to mount it on the rail on a flat top AR.hey Lumpy that pic of Dinero kills me every time I see it on your posts.
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 6:33:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2004 6:37:07 AM EDT by sgtstinger]
Good article.

Anyone else notice the rail system on the guy's M14?

Isn't it a KAC RAS? Are those readily available yet?

Can anyone tell which model of EO-Tech he's using? 551 or 552?
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 8:13:06 AM EDT
Also, anyone care to hazard a guess as to what kind of ammo he's using?

I'll bet it ain't standard M80 Ball...[;)]
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 8:39:52 AM EDT
300 meter shot with an Eotech. I just started liking my 552 a whole lot more.

I wonder if he dialed in elevation or used hold-over?

Anybody found any more details on this?
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 8:48:23 AM EDT
My guess is that it's zeroed in at 200yds so hold-over is a little more than 6 inches at 300 yds.
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 9:45:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/1/2004 10:05:21 AM EDT by Va_Dinger]
I don't personally own a Eotech, but I've watched M4arc shoot dam fine tight little  groups all day at 200 yards with his M4 W/Eotech. Sighted in at 50 yards using nothing more than the "improved battle sight zero" technique.
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 10:25:45 AM EDT
Just a thought, but I thought spotters would use some type of magnification also to call the shots. :*)
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 12:18:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Silence214:
Just a thought, but I thought spotters would use some type of magnification also to call the shots. :*)
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typically the spotter carries an independant spotting scope, and and M4/M16 (according to the History Channels Snipers DVD, I got for Christmas)[:D] Of course they will carry a number of different mission specific equipment. As portrayed in this thread.


Did anyone else remember back to the posted picture of the supposed rifle that the DC "Snipers" were using. It had an Eotech too [shock].

Link Posted: 1/1/2004 1:06:42 PM EDT
Anybody know who makes the Flash suppressor on the M-24 and where to get one?????
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 1:15:25 PM EDT
The supressor on the bolt gun looks like a Vortex. Brownells has them.
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 6:02:05 PM EDT
A dot optic is a natural for the M14, because of the problems mounting regular scopes.

The articles notes that the shots they are taking are in between 100 and 300 meters.  At those type of ranges, I shoot better with irons than with a low powered scope like the ACOG.  That is one of the reasons my ACOG ended up on the EE.
Link Posted: 1/1/2004 6:52:14 PM EDT
Figured we ought to add some AR content:

"Before the day was over, Davis, armed with an M-4 carbine and an all-purpose optic, would be responsible for seven of the 11 enemy kills."

Now what optic they are reffering to there is anyone's guess.
Link Posted: 1/2/2004 5:56:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By imposter:
The articles notes that the shots they are taking are in between 100 and 300 meters.  At those type of ranges, I shoot better with irons than with a low powered scope like the ACOG.  That is one of the reasons my ACOG ended up on the EE.
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How do you define that, your ability to make tight groups off a bench (the reticles in the combat optics don't lend themselves to that type of shooting) or your ability to quickly place a round on a target in any firing position?

I have yet to meet anyone who has been able to perform better in battlefield type conditions with irons.  In fact military forces have noticed that the addition of magnified optics has meant too many troops qualifying expert with  their rifles, but they are not attempting to shoot small tight groups but to quickly hit targets.
Link Posted: 1/2/2004 7:07:41 AM EDT
Originally Posted By KW951:
Figured we ought to add some AR content:

"Before the day was over, Davis, armed with an M-4 carbine and an all-purpose optic, would be responsible for seven of the 11 enemy kills."

Now what optic they are reffering to there is anyone's guess.
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Most likely the optic that they're referring to is the standard-issue M68 CCO (i.e.- Aimpoint CompM or Comp M2)
Link Posted: 1/2/2004 7:43:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/2/2004 7:45:59 AM EDT by imposter]
Originally Posted By STLRN:
Originally Posted By imposter:
The articles notes that the shots they are taking are in between 100 and 300 meters.  At those type of ranges, I shoot better with irons than with a low powered scope like the ACOG.  That is one of the reasons my ACOG ended up on the EE.
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How do you define that, your ability to make tight groups off a bench (the reticles in the combat optics don't lend themselves to that type of shooting) or your ability to quickly place a round on a target in any firing position?
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That is a fair point.  I was shooting prone and taking my time.  But I was shooting faster with an Aimpoint at shorter ranges than with the BAC ACOG, so I figured I was better off with the Aimpoint/irons combination.  For me, a short range encounter is more likely and if longer range was needed the irons would work (while perhaps not being ideal).  The accuracy is certainly not a problem out to 400 meters with irons, but it may be a bit more difficult to identify targets and get positioned.
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