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Posted: 4/19/2007 9:43:16 PM EDT
I bought this yesterday. Actually this isn't the original one I purchased, as it looked alot worse. After getting this one home and really going over it, I was pretty upset with the quality on this one as well.
this is the left bottom side of the mag well. Notice the spotty raised finish.   Notice the line on the receiver in the pic below. That is not just a blem in the finish. The metal from that line to the magwell is noticeably thicker than the rest of the receiver.   This looks like shit  More pics of the front of the magwell. Notice the uneven lines and excess material that wasn't machined off.    I really don't think that I am being picky. There is definitely something wrong here. My RRA lower doesn't look like this, nor did the Olympic arms receiver I used to own. I bought this lower to use as a SBR project, but there is no way that I am going to waste $200 on a stamp for this lower. This is unacceptable in my opinion. |
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Posted: 4/19/2007 9:49:41 PM EDT
[#1]
You obviously haven't seen some of the stuff Colt and Bushmaster have been putting out have you?
 That's leaps and bounds better than the way my Bushy and Colts came.
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Posted: 4/19/2007 9:51:45 PM EDT
[#2]
Yes i agree it is a wacked rec. You NEED to call and see if they will replace it. Mine looks nothing like that, as a matter of fact mine if it were unmarked and set next to any of the top rec mfgrs, you wouldn be able to pick it out! Did you buy off the net? you need to find a new dealer, online or not. I bet somebody would still buy itfrom you and put it on a truck gun or beater
 I see your in KY, are you buying directly from them???
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Posted: 4/19/2007 9:56:37 PM EDT
[#3]
no, I did not buy directly from them. I wanted to, but they said they only sale to their distributors.
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Posted: 4/19/2007 10:12:22 PM EDT
[#4]
Where in KY are you?
How much you want for it?
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Posted: 4/19/2007 10:33:08 PM EDT
[#5]
Did you get it from Centerfire?
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Posted: 4/19/2007 10:44:27 PM EDT
[#6]
no
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Posted: 4/20/2007 12:38:41 AM EDT
[#7]
The only thing that looked bad to me was the line down the sideand I would have a problem with that. But with the price of lowers and all the work that goes into making one I really believe people are expecting to much sometimes. It is a forge part on the outside.
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Posted: 4/20/2007 12:41:38 AM EDT
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I don't think that I expect too much. I expect to get a quality product when I put down a $100. To me that money was completely wasted on a substandard lower. If I would have know that the lower was going to be like this, I would have spent a few bucks more and got a quality product.
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Posted: 4/20/2007 12:47:20 AM EDT
[#9]
Umm... I hate to tell you, nothing in that picture looks wrong or bad.
If little tiny blems concern you, you should be buying a billet receiver, like a Sun Devil, POF, or other non-forged receiver. I have detailed pretty much what to expect cosmetically from the major brands... here's the link to the thread: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=12&t=318113 |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 12:56:31 AM EDT
[#10]
yeah, it does look wrong and bad. The side of the receiver isn't even of uniform thickness. There is a noticeable raised section on the on the side of the lower. That is shit! I do not care what you say, that is not acceptable. Little blemishes like in a couple of my photos are one thing, but some of the work on this reciever looks like a drunk monkey took it to a belt sander.
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Posted: 4/20/2007 1:09:52 AM EDT
[#11]
They were just trying to make it look like a Colt(or Bushy or..) Pat 0-1-25 |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 1:18:06 AM EDT
[#12]
Are the trigger and hammer pin holes mis-aligned? Is the buffer tube threading not centered correctly? Do the takedown and pivot pin holes not function correctly? Does the receiver not lock up to an upper? Are any of the holes, or milling out of spec? If you're looking for an aesthetically pleasing receiver, get a CMT cut, Mega or a milled billet receiver. Everything else, will have more than a fair share of dings, uneven milling, and minor variances from batch to batch, and receiver to receiver, even consecutively... Even the nicest ones have dings and uneven milling marks, forge lines, etc... |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 1:19:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2007 1:28:54 AM EDT
[#14]
Well, some brands are more aesthetically pleasing than others... my Grenadier Precision lower is practically flawless, as well as POF and CMT, which from time to time do make nearly visually flawless product... However visual flaws don't translate into a bad product. Look at any LMT lower, and you'll see forge flash, milling marks, and other blems... Look at any Colt and you'll see an abnormally high number of dings, scratches, file marks, forge flash etc... That doesn't make them any less functional, just not as pretty. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 1:30:27 AM EDT
[#15]
its one thing to have to take a flashlight to your lower to find blems, but major shit staring you right in the face every time you look at it is another. I can find things wrong with my colt and RRA lowers, but they are leaps and bounds better than this lower. yes I know all lowers have imperfections, but when it has a line running down the side of it because of unfinished machine work something is wrong. Honestly it is really hard to tell from the pictures, but that line is quite pronounced. the point is that it is perfectly accepteable to have some minor flaws, but when you have lines running down the receiver....c'mon.
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Posted: 4/20/2007 1:35:55 AM EDT
[#16]
Blems that don't affect functionality aren't generally considered important to the manufacturers. Your best bet would be to hand pick a CMT or Mega cut if you don't want to spend the extra cash on a billet receiver.
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Posted: 4/20/2007 1:45:08 AM EDT
[#17]
I guess why I am so disappointed with this lower is because I wanted to use it for a SBR project. After hearing how good the doublestars were, I bought one. If this was a superior arms receiver, I really wouldn't have been suprised, because in honesty this is more what the DS looks like to me. It just makes me feel like I wasted my money on this lower now.
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Posted: 4/20/2007 3:49:10 AM EDT
[#19]
That is a fairly ugly lower. I picked the best of two ameetec lowers when I bought my most recent one. It looks no-where near that bad although it does have some character of it's own. Interestingly, my two DPMS lowers are the nicest I've seen.
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Posted: 4/20/2007 4:24:55 AM EDT
[#20]
I'm happy with my DS too but it doesn't look like that! Dude, take it back.
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Posted: 4/20/2007 4:34:47 AM EDT
[#21]
I have some DS and they are fine.
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Posted: 4/20/2007 4:36:58 AM EDT
[#22]
I have several Double stars, they are fine, if the parts go in and it works and it locks onto the upper it's good to go.
I wouldn't even bother looking at the stuff you are pointing out, if you are THAT picky then you should only buy IN PERSON. So you can see it first. Like everybody has said and you could care less there's nothing wrong with that receiver if it WORKS. Sell it locally, someone will give 100% of what you paid NO PROBLEM and go buy what you want and stop crying. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 4:43:38 AM EDT
[#23]
so, if you go buy a new car and its fucked up, your not supposed to care, just so long as it works and gets you from place to place? Great way of thinking there bud. Damn I guess I'm really picky you know, because I want stuff to look the way it SHOULD look.
Here's a link for ya' JimM44 |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 4:55:21 AM EDT
[#24]
I really like the link LOL, Thanks a lot and yes you can whine all you want.
I just won't bother looking at the crap you are complaining about, now if the metal was cracked or the holes didn't line up. All of my double stars work, that's all I care about. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 4:55:45 AM EDT
[#25]
Bingo. Bring the F'ing thing back if your not 100% happy with it. Yes sir, thats your new SUV. What's that?? Oh, the big scratch on the hood shouldn't affect the performance. If you wanted something without a scratch, we have a nice Lamborghini on the lot for $400,000 more... c'mon guys. be real about it. The marks on that lower are from a lack of caring, not part of the mfg process. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 5:28:03 AM EDT
[#26]
Actually, it's not a lack of caring---it's the pressure from all you newbies to the AR world who want them to turn out more and more product. You're not a newbie you say? Well, in my book if you haven't been an AR or M16 shooter for at least 25 years, you're a newbie  Actually, the Colt SP1 AR I bought in 1977 has some dings on the lower too I'll agree that the lower pictured in this thread has a few more dings than usual, but if you expect to find one that's absolutely perfect, you'd better go to a dealership with a bunch in stock and hand pick one. Even then, you may get home and find a couple of scratches or whatever that you didn't notice at the store. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 5:43:09 AM EDT
[#27]
Questions
1:Did you buy it at a dealers shop or was it special ordered for you? If it was special ordered you still shouldve checked it out before final purchase. 2: If you did buy it at a dealers shop why didnt you check it out before purchase like you did at home? 3: When you buy a car you CHECK IT OUT all over before buying so that example you tried to use doesnt fly. No this one isnt a question. 4:Did you contact whoever you got it from before pulling a vincep on here? No manufacturer is perfect, all of them let a bad one escape QC once in a while. I have bought quite a few DS lowers and all of them(so far) are in excellent condition. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 5:46:34 AM EDT
[#28]
As long as it funtions I don't care much about little blimishes. This is a battle rifle right? It would be different if it was a wall hanger with a fancy curly maple stock. Kinda like someone that buys a truck and is afraid to haul anything in the bed.
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Posted: 4/20/2007 5:48:23 AM EDT
[#29]
Yea you are . Its a battle rifle , Krylon is your friend . |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 6:02:29 AM EDT
[#30]
I personally don't care about dings and scratches, however if I did care then I'd do something about. Everyone always makes the new car comparison and that's fine but for me, I have no problem taking anything back to where I bought it if I'm not happy with it. Hell I've taken a two year old t-shirt back to Walmart because it got a hole in it!
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Posted: 4/20/2007 6:08:32 AM EDT
[#31]
I can only speak for myself, but if I'm dissatisfied with something I buy, it only festers as time goes by. If you're not happy, take it back, or you'll eat your heart out over time.
My two lowers (Colt & Eagle) are beautifully finished compared to yours. From the sound of things in this thread, I guess I lucked out on the Colt! |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 6:14:45 AM EDT
[#32]
Yeah, complaining on the internet is a good way to have the problem resolved.
Have you tried speaking to the shop that SOLD IT TO YOU? Double
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Posted: 4/20/2007 6:15:36 AM EDT
[#33]
Actually I have ordered my last 2 trucks, and my current SUV, from the State next to me, and had them delivered. So I guess it does fly now, doesn't it. And I wasn't trying anything.... Point is, if you buy something, and it isn't as expected, you bring it back. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 6:30:02 AM EDT
[#34]
so instead of bitching online about it, why havent you called up your dealer and had them replace it for you? bitching in a forum has never gotten anybody anywhere... if you arnt pleased then go get it fixed..
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Posted: 4/20/2007 6:34:51 AM EDT
[#35]
The o/p used the buying a car example first in this thread...Are you the o/p? Nope yer not. I wasnt talkin to you. And if I did order an out of state car I would make sure I could get any $4 paid upfront back if it arrived damaged. So it doesnt fly |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 7:15:58 AM EDT
[#36]
None of that would bother me one bit. A lower is not a Faberge egg. Since it does bother you, take it back. What you need is a pile of lowers to go through to pick from. Actually, you shouldn't have bought/accepted it in the first place.
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Posted: 4/20/2007 7:24:53 AM EDT
[#37]
You buy probably the second cheapest lower on the market and then bitch about the quality........wow...........
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Posted: 4/20/2007 7:30:20 AM EDT
[#38]
This is a good point. Double Star makes a good product, but they are usually significantly cheaper than Bushmaster, RRA, etc. To buy a "cheap" lower, and then get all bent out of shape because it's not as perfect as a more expensive product is a little like complaining that your Honda Civic doesn't have the build quality of an Acura Integra. That said, if you are unhappy with the cosmetic blemishes, you should take it back and get a replacement. On average, all the Double Star lowers I've seen seem to have very nice quality, and good finish. I personally don't think I would look as CLOSELY as you do at my lower to notice some of the things that seem like big deals to you, but to each his own. A final thing to note is that some of the things you are comlaining about also appear on more expensive brands. The line on the back part of the lower (where the grip attaches), and on the front of the mag well - is a COMMON thing to not be machined down completely. You might think it "looks like shit" (or however you phrased it), but I have that on Bushmaster, Armalite and other lowers, and there is not a thing wrong with that. While some people may prefer not to have that, it is NOT an indicator of "quality" per se. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 7:56:47 AM EDT
[#39]
Whatcha want fer it?
Seriously, I'll take it off your hands. E mail me. I have built up several DS lowers. they all go bang just fine. If I want beauty, I'll buy a Browning A Bolt or Citori. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 8:47:19 AM EDT
[#40]
Thats OK, don't sweat it... they're just trying to keep up with the big boys, lol
      Seriously though, if you want a purty lower, get one of the CMT forged lowers like GTS, Stag, or RRA. I have yet to find flash left on them like the BM above. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 9:04:54 AM EDT
[#41]
i'll give you fifty for that POS. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 9:19:11 AM EDT
[#42]
Sorry, but this isn't how things work. Comparing a $20,000 car to a $100 lower is a little off, dont you think? First of all, a manufacturer is going to care a hell of a lot more for a good that costs $20,000. And the consumer is going to care a hell of a lot more when dropping $20,000 on a car. Yes things are expected to be near perfect. But when you are talking about a firearm part, that in reality is at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to cost, you are living in a fantasy world to expect it to look 100% flawless. I just can't get over how many consumers demand 100% perfection for the cheapest price possible. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 9:34:22 AM EDT
[#43]
Look, I owne a DS lower,and it has NONE of those problems. I know what to expect out of a DS lower because iv see about 20 of them. IF i were to get that lower id be pissed to.
Everybody telling you to expect that out of a "cheap" lower need to pull there head out of there ass, and take a deep breath of fresh air THAT IS NOT THE STANDARD QUALITY OF A DOUBLE STAR LOWER. any body who ownes on can verify. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 10:07:23 AM EDT
[#44]
My lower from Spikes has no pits, ridges or un-machined surfaces.
I'd take it back. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 10:31:57 AM EDT
[#46]
I've seen better and I've see worse. Those are all in places where they make no difference to function. Just depends on how much the manufacturer wants to grind off the flash where the forging dies come together. I've seen variation from manucturer to manufactuer, and from sample to sample from the same manufacturer.
Personally, I wouldn't worry about it if it was mine, but you do what you want. If it makes you unhappy, talk to the mfg. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 11:11:38 AM EDT
[#47]
There is nothing wrong with the OPs lower.
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Posted: 4/20/2007 11:15:35 AM EDT
[#48]
Yes you are being very picky. The only legitamate gripe you have is with the wall of the lower where the metal is thinner.
The something that is wrong is you. Go pick up a Colt or Bushmaster lower. Your lower isn't even very bad as far as marks under the finish.
Your going to have to "tatoo" your lower to meet the SBR engraving requirment so I don't see what the big deal is. If you want a lower for an SBR that you want to be married with and worried about its collectability, then you should be using a Colt, Bushmaster, or LMT lower, not a house brand. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 3:05:20 PM EDT
[#49]
Looks better than the stag i just got.
I would use that lower without any concerns. |
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Posted: 4/20/2007 3:30:02 PM EDT
[#50]
Exactly just think of it as Teir One Mil Spec,you should have got the 200.00 dollar Bushey |
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