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Posted: 8/19/2006 3:39:20 PM EDT
I read in a passage in a book for LEO AR users that there are only two die sets for making aluminum AR mags, and they get traded back and forth between manufacturers as needed. Myth?
Link Posted: 8/19/2006 3:48:12 PM EDT
Wive's tale, no doubt. I've even heard we swap them back and forth with Israel so they can make mags!
Link Posted: 8/19/2006 3:53:31 PM EDT
only two sets of dies to stamp a simple sheet metal box?

Shoot, some people have made their own successfully...shoot, some people make their own AK receivers...
Link Posted: 8/19/2006 4:33:29 PM EDT
I would have to say maybe 2 dies per machine
Link Posted: 8/19/2006 5:07:56 PM EDT
Used to be two sets of machinery, manufactured by colt and owned by the US govt. Varius minority owned and such companies would bid for the contract and the equipment would be provided.

The industry has moved on. Other companies have their own equipment now.

Although there are still really only a few companies making mags, often rebranded under several brands.
Link Posted: 8/19/2006 5:30:21 PM EDT
Ahhh...in every legend, a grain of truth...
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 3:41:10 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 4:59:43 AM EDT
Brownells?
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 5:13:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 9:15:12 AM EDT
Interesting! It's like watching sausages being made!
Link Posted: 8/20/2006 9:40:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CProducts:
Ahhh...in every legend, a grain of truth...

Okay industries has a tool.
Center Indudtries has a tool.
D&H has a tool.
It is my understanding that the 3 companies were provided this tooling when the bids were awarded or when the company was bought, such as D&H bought General Stamping which was the LaBelle tooling. To my knowledge no company other than C Products has made a new progressive die.

Larry
C Products


It would be pretty interesting if someone made up a "family tree" sort of history list showing what companies used what tooling when...
Link Posted: 8/21/2006 3:42:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/21/2006 3:42:57 AM EDT by Hotgun]
Brownells has their own dies. Certainly as sophisticated as any in the industry.

Hotgun
Link Posted: 8/21/2006 5:27:11 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hotgun:
Brownells has their own dies. Certainly as sophisticated as any in the industry.

Hotgun


What i was told in a recent Colt armorers course was brownells was subcontracting the mags out but had a reject rate of about 50% on visual inspection alone. So they started making them themselves instead of relying on subcontractors.
Link Posted: 8/22/2006 11:39:31 AM EDT

Originally Posted By CProducts:
Ahhh...in every legend, a grain of truth...

Okay industries has a tool.
Center Indudtries has a tool.
D&H has a tool.
It is my understanding that the 3 companies were provided this tooling when the bids were awarded or when the company was bought, such as D&H bought General Stamping which was the LaBelle tooling. To my knowledge no company other than C Products has made a new progressive die.

Larry
C Products


All of the DH mags I have exhibit a weird "crack-like" mark on the back which was discussed on the forum awhile back. I have ordered a few CProducts mags and I hope to see that this "mark" does not appear which would indicate a new/different progressive die being used.
Link Posted: 8/22/2006 12:04:50 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2006 12:08:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2006 12:16:02 PM EDT by metroplex]

Most mags produced in any large numbers will experience it.


None of my NHMTG mags have the mark and I know of many people with various other brands that did not have the mark.
Link Posted: 8/22/2006 12:11:39 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2006 12:16:17 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2006 12:24:48 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/22/2006 4:20:14 PM EDT
What about Sanchez? What happened to that die?
Link Posted: 8/22/2006 7:11:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/22/2006 7:11:56 PM EDT by AyeGuy]

Originally Posted By CProducts:
All of the DH mags I have exhibit a weird "crack-like" mark on the back which was discussed on the forum awhile back. I have ordered a few CProducts mags and I hope to see that this "mark" does not appear which would indicate a new/different progressive die being used.


When you receive our C Products magazines you will notsee any form line. We make 20,000 magazines per week. New progressive die. No form line.

Larry
C Products


Do you ever post a reply in the "How many mags is enough" threads?
Link Posted: 8/24/2006 8:05:58 PM EDT
Then how come my MagPul antitilt 1st gen works in some mags, but not the cheap mags I bought? If there is standard dies and only 3 companies that have the standard dies, then all my antitilts will work in all my mags.

Might as well just go buy HK mags.

Hardwarz
Link Posted: 8/25/2006 3:33:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/25/2006 3:49:19 AM EDT
I had so many FTFeed issues with my Magpul Gen 1 followers in all of my mags (NHTMG/Colt, SAR80 steel, DH dry film and teflon, etc...) that people thought I was some whack-job at the range fixing malfunctions left and right.
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