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Posted: 10/2/2005 11:38:00 PM EDT
...I am trying to decide if I really need one. All I use my rifle for is vermen around the house and such. Im not in the miliary or a LEO. So for an average shooter as myself, do they really help you out with your groups or what. What benefit would it bring to me. Thanks for your response in advance.One day I will no longer be a noob.
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Posted: 10/2/2005 11:40:48 PM EDT
[#1]
I think it does. Really helps in shot follow up and I also have a gimpy left hand.
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Posted: 10/2/2005 11:43:28 PM EDT
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Is your rifle set up already to accept one?
If so, look at it this way: you can pick up a decent one for $20-30 Try it out, if you like it, great! If not just sell it on the EE and you'll make most of your money back... my .02 
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Posted: 10/2/2005 11:44:36 PM EDT
[#3]
I wouldn't go back. It REALLY helps my offhand shooting.
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Posted: 10/2/2005 11:46:00 PM EDT
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\ Well,yeah it has a yhm freefloat forend on it. Everything you say is true, I was just wondering what the actual benefits of one was. Thanks guys keep em coming. |
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Posted: 10/2/2005 11:46:39 PM EDT
[#5]
yes. its creates a more natural firing position for most people and helps keep barrel heat off the hand. A cheapy VFG and bolt on rail can be had for $35ish and work fine for non combat shooting needs. CDDN has the combo i believe.
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Posted: 10/2/2005 11:56:55 PM EDT
[#6]
i like it.
but the magwell tends to work for me too.
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Posted: 10/3/2005 12:00:05 AM EDT
[#7]
tag
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Posted: 10/3/2005 2:59:04 AM EDT
[#8]
I have one on mine because of this reason. I actually shoot better without it. It may be due to the fact that I shoot some competitive long range rifle matches with position shooting (.308 in AICS). But when you start dropping the hammer (M16), it gets very warm very quick. I've heard the barrel gets 7 degrees warmer every round that goes down the bore - that's a 210 degree increase with 1 30 round mag. |
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Posted: 10/3/2005 3:53:06 AM EDT
[#9]
+1 on it really helps on the follow up shot, I really like them
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Posted: 10/3/2005 3:53:56 AM EDT
[#10]
It helps out. On long patrols it saves your wrist since it is in a more natural position.
Max |
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Posted: 10/3/2005 4:02:07 AM EDT
[#11]
Never seen a personal use for them.
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Posted: 10/3/2005 6:21:41 AM EDT
[#12]
Well said. That about sums it up. 
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Posted: 10/3/2005 6:32:26 AM EDT
[#13]
I am definately in favor of having a VFG installed. I hate shooting without it now!
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Posted: 10/3/2005 8:04:41 AM EDT
[#14]
I like them, but I have rigs that are set up without them, too.
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Posted: 10/3/2005 8:08:52 AM EDT
[#15]
In a day of carbine class shooting, the barrel nut area got too hot to hold in my traditional mag hold. I had to buy a FVG to continue on the spot. I'm still gettting used to it and find myself doing mag hold every so often. Gloves would have helped that day, also, but I didn't have any. I do now.
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Posted: 10/3/2005 8:37:16 AM EDT
[#16]
no, but it looks cool
j/k i have a VG but i do mag-wel hold alot |
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Posted: 10/3/2005 8:46:34 AM EDT
[#17]
It doesn't sound like it would be a big help for you. The VFG does a couple of things for the shooter: 1) Helps control the muzzle during followup shots - do you often do hammers or controlled pairs when shooting vermin? 2) Better comfort when holding the rifle at low ready for long periods of time - do you hold the rifle at the ready for 20-30 minutes (or more) when searching your yard for these vermin? It's not about shooting 'smaller groups' on paper - it's about conrol & ergonomics in a fast moving lethal envrionment. edited to add There is one other think I find the VFG useful for. If you shoot alot of ammo quickly, it keeps your hand from getting burned. So if you like dumping magazine after magazine and don't like how hot the handguard or lowr receiver gets, then you would appreciate a polymere VFG. |
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Posted: 10/3/2005 8:50:35 AM EDT
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Although it doesn't look all that cool IMO, i'd say go for it. Facts are (again IMHO) that for carbine use it creates a more natural firing postion making easier to handle gun faster more accuratly(sp) for a longer time.
That being said, i don't own one YET. HUNTER. |
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Posted: 10/3/2005 5:26:16 PM EDT
[#19]
I'm a magwell guy, but when the lower gets hot, I'll use some kind of VFG, whether it was the $14 grip + rail combo special, or my current bipod.
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Posted: 10/3/2005 5:58:37 PM EDT
[#20]
I use them, I like them, I think they make a difference in what ever it is you ask it makes a difference in...
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Posted: 10/3/2005 6:08:18 PM EDT
[#21]
Maybe VFG+BIPOD = GripPod would be good for you.
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Posted: 10/3/2005 6:21:36 PM EDT
[#22]
Yes
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Posted: 10/3/2005 6:22:22 PM EDT
[#23]
I prefer the magwell grip, but I shoot left handed and my thumb get in the way of the ejection port. VFG is the next best thing.
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Posted: 10/3/2005 6:31:02 PM EDT
[#24]
I just bought a couple for some diehard naysayers. They were well liked. (I was one of them)
Fast double taps on steel at CQB are much easier, particularly when transitioning from a rifle suspended from a tac sling. All things old are new again (think Thompson SMG with VFG). |
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Posted: 10/3/2005 6:33:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/5/2005 5:03:46 PM EDT
[#27]
Great for offhand shooting but if you really want "help" ......learn how to shoot with a sling.....the right way.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 5:53:56 PM EDT
[#28]
Is a harris strong enough to be used as a VFG? I don't have a VFG, but I have a bipod on one of my rifles, and this could save me some money. (Something I don't have a whole lot of right now) |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 6:00:33 PM EDT
[#29]
i have fucked up wrist and the VFG helps me a shitload. Helps to keep the barrel down when shooting to i think. Id have to have one now.
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Posted: 10/5/2005 6:20:56 PM EDT
[#30]
before I had one I used my harris , then I found a yankee one for $30. SOLD
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Posted: 10/5/2005 9:33:46 PM EDT
[#31]
About $200 check the website www.grippod.com |
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Posted: 10/5/2005 10:03:46 PM EDT
[#32]
a half ass VFG and half ass bipod for the lowly price of 200
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Posted: 10/5/2005 10:19:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/6/2005 3:43:35 AM EDT
[#34]
Even though Im a noob, thats more than I want to spend for a grip
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Posted: 10/6/2005 4:15:02 AM EDT
[#35]
no! hate to be the bad guy but it didn't help me at all.
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Posted: 10/6/2005 4:28:40 AM EDT
[#36]
For yard varmints mine works real well along with my LRT 'Battlelight'...
The front end seems to steer and point better for me with a 'tiller' up front. |
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Posted: 10/6/2005 7:41:20 AM EDT
[#37]
I noticed in some pictures that some people have the VFG mounted pretty far forward on their rail. Is the goal to accomplish a push with the support and pull with the master grip or pull with both? How stable is push/pull for 50 yards and out?
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Posted: 10/6/2005 8:26:40 AM EDT
[#38]
It does for me lets me hold my weapon close to the shoulder and lets me stay on target better while walking toward my target
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Posted: 10/6/2005 9:44:57 AM EDT
[#39]
In the fast paced world of Aricraft Maintenance, we love vert grips.
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Posted: 10/6/2005 3:53:01 PM EDT
[#40]
Ouch! Get a Harris ($60) and the forearm adapter ($12) and for $72 you can have a good bipod and a half ass VFG!
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Posted: 10/6/2005 4:34:08 PM EDT
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HAHAHA Until today, most of my current set ups had VFGs. I love them, and swear by them. I took my M4gery today and put it back to stock config (removed the RAS, the EOTech, and Magpul stock). Felt really weird at first (and LIGHT), especially without the VFG. I shoot better with it than without it, but I wanted a change of pace...I'm sure it'll end up back on at some point. Airborne |
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Posted: 10/8/2005 11:32:46 PM EDT
[#42]
It's strong enough. We use the harris bipod as a vertical grip in the army all the time. It helps when you have to keep the rifle up for a while, like when scanning the area. I use it like that frequently when scanning ahead during foot patrols at night. When the (1.6 kg) night scope is mounted on the carry handle, the M16 is very top-heavy.
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