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Posted: 8/15/2004 9:30:04 AM EST
Walked out on my back deck this morning and there were at LEAST 18 coyotes in my back yard. They were scattered in small groups anywhere from 20-55 yards from my location. I see one or two around occasionaly but never this many at one time. My red dot equipped carbine was just inside the door loaded with thirty Winchester Power Point Plus HPs. I am certain that I could have popped at least half of them. The only problem was that there is a older couple that live next door on the opposite side of the house and a volley of rifle fire at 6:00 AM would have surely caused them a great deal of stress. If I only had a can on the gun..
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 9:34:43 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 9:36:12 AM EST
Bah who cares about the neighbors, it's time for some target practice on coyotes.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 9:41:41 AM EST
My neighbor and I disregarded the other neighbors to take some target practice on some rabbits that were "threatening our lives" in our backyards. Unfortunately, the cops showed up a few minutes later. Luckily I am a cop too, so ....!
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 10:07:57 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 10:11:15 AM EST
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 10:15:14 AM EST

Originally Posted By Nicholastheczar:
My neighbor and I disregarded the other neighbors to take some target practice on some rabbits that were "threatening our lives" in our backyards. Unfortunately, the cops showed up a few minutes later. Luckily I am a cop too, so ....!



UNFAIR!!!! UNFAIR!!!! Waaaaaa!
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 10:44:12 AM EST
I knew a couple of guys who used to go groundhog hunting in WV on the weekends very early in the morning.

Heh heh. The .300 Win Mag echoing across the valley woke people up.

CRC
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 10:55:32 AM EST
As a shooter and one who's spent 25 years raising wolves, wolf/dogs and a host of other critters that many of you consider target practice or otherwise unentitled to life, I'd have a hard time not shooting someone who shot a coyote if I was armed and there to see it.

No need to flame me as I'm obviously in the wrong place here...hinking.gif


CAN OPENED, WORMS EVERYWHERE.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 11:01:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/15/2004 11:37:00 AM EST by Cato]
I can hardly see that as "manly" too. I don't know if it is really necessary
to hunt them, but the attitude- to care for dogs yet regard coyotes as
"unneccessary life" which doesn't suffer- is kind of strange.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 11:58:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By David_Hineline:
Finish this statement " Luckily I am a cop too"

So the rules that only apply to the pleebs don't apply to me.
You may add your version as needed.





He sounds like a good neighbor to me.


btw, Triburst, Them coyotes will be back, patience pays.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 12:12:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zuma:
As a shooter and one who's spent 25 years raising wolves, wolf/dogs and a host of other critters that many of you consider target practice or otherwise unentitled to life, I'd have a hard time not shooting someone who shot a coyote if I was armed and there to see it.

As somebody who has lost pets and livestock to coyotes and feral dogs, you're opinion leaves me unimpressed. And the fact that you'd post in a public forum that you're willing to murder a person who was defending their home from a predator leaves me questioning whether or not you possess the judgement necessary to be trusted with deadly weapons.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 12:16:47 PM EST

Originally Posted By Cato:
I can hardly see that as "manly" too. I don't know if it is really necessary
to hunt them, but the attitude- to care for dogs yet regard coyotes as
"unneccessary life" which doesn't suffer- is kind of strange.


Feral dogs and coyotes that are in the wild are fine. Feral dogs or coyotes that venture close to homes or farms are a threat to pets, livestock and possibly small children.

Threats get dealt with. Period.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 12:24:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/15/2004 12:25:23 PM EST by Clandestine]
You sir (Zuma), have some serious "issues". I assume that you raise animals because you have no children, or loved ones to occupy your time with. ANY predator on my property will be destroyed before it gets to eat kill or injure my loved one or personal property (including my cat and dog).
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 12:26:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/15/2004 12:27:17 PM EST by Zuma]
Originally Posted By Hoplophile:


As somebody who has lost pets and livestock to coyotes and feral dogs, you're opinion leaves me unimpressed. And the fact that you'd post in a public forum that you're willing to murder a person who was defending their home from a predator leaves me questioning whether or not you possess the judgement necessary to be trusted with deadly weapons.


Coyotes and feral dogs need to eat, too. Who made you arbiter of what deserves to live and what deserves to die? Perhaps you're not doing all you can to protect your pets and livestock in ways that don't involve you getting to kill, too?

And I did not state that I'm "willing to murder a person who was defending their home from a predator." I stated that I'd "have a hard time not shooting" (no mention of killing is made) someone who shot a coyote -- a clear indication that there is indeed judgement, despite temptation, involved.

I've owned deadly weapons for 34 years and not been compelled to use them on a single living thing. Can you say the same?
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 12:31:11 PM EST
I don't think that any of the others would have stuck around after the first shot, but it's a nice thought.

I keep thinking more and more that a suppressor would be about the only CIII thing I would want to own.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 12:31:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/15/2004 12:31:46 PM EST by brushdog]
Aren't there some trees to be hugged?
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 12:38:18 PM EST
Originally Posted By Clandestine:

You sir (Zuma), have some serious "issues". I assume that you raise animals because you have no children, or loved ones to occupy your time with. ANY predator on my property will be destroyed before it gets to eat kill or injure my loved one or personal property (including my cat and dog).


That sir, is such a conceited assumption that I won't even dignify it with qualification.

And before this goes any farther let me clarify that this isn't about "protecting your home and family." It's about guys who salivate at the prospect of killing animals just so they get to use their guns against things that don't shoot back.

Wow, I'd completely forgotten what pointless Internet arguing was like!
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 12:41:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/15/2004 12:50:17 PM EST by triburst1]

Originally Posted By Zuma:
As a shooter and one who's spent 25 years raising wolves, wolf/dogs and a host of other critters that many of you consider target practice or otherwise unentitled to life, I'd have a hard time not shooting someone who shot a coyote if I was armed and there to see it.

No need to flame me as I'm obviously in the wrong place here...


CAN OPENED, WORMS EVERYWHERE.



I know Illinois is a little different in many ways but the coyotes must be really different if you have such strong feelings for them. The coyotes around here are a pest, period.

I don't know who would be the most impressed with your coyote saving ways.
The farmer in the town where I grew up who was constantly losing calves and chickens, AKA his livelihood to them...
Or the little girl down the road who watched three of them tear her lab puppy to shreds...
Or the lady in the next county over who was attacked while she was carrying out her garbage...


Yes, coyotes have to eat too, after all they are almost at the top of the food chain. But not quite, humans are at the top. I am at the top. Oh well, better luck next time you mangy fucking varmints.

Link Posted: 8/15/2004 12:42:57 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 12:46:23 PM EST
Now that I'm building an AR in .300Fireball I'm thinking about picking one up next year sometime. You can get a good one that'll fit on the standard A1-A2 Flash Hider for about $650, of course you've got to add in the $200 tax and doing the paper work and the wait but heck, it'll probably be the only NFA thing that I can even get close to affording so what the heck, might as well go for it.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 12:49:34 PM EST
OK, I'll cop to being a bit overzealous in my passion for wild dogs. I used to have my own forum for this kind of thing (the late totalwarfare.com) and I guess I just miss pissing people off online.

But I'm a guest here so I'll cool it on this subject from here on in. Sorry if I offended anyone. Opinions usually do.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 1:02:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zuma:
OK, I'll cop to being a bit overzealous in my passion for wild dogs. I used to have my own forum for this kind of thing (the late totalwarfare.com) and I guess I just miss pissing people off online.

But I'm a guest here so I'll cool it on this subject from here on in. Sorry if I offended anyone. Opinions usually do.



I understand where you're coming from, but as a cat owner I'd hate for my cat to get out of the house and get eaten by a coyote. We've got em' in this part of the contry too and if I'd see one snoopin' around on my property I'd be very tempted at taking a shot at it. I'd never shoot at a wolf or courgar unless they were after my cat but coyotes seem not to have much of a fear of people and that makes them dangerous to pets and small children so that makes them fair game if they're hangin' out around "civilization". If I saw one out in the boonies or in the middle of the desert I'd leave it alone, I'd be on it's truff, but if it comes onto my turff it's fair game.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 1:27:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:

Originally Posted By norman74:
I keep thinking more and more that a suppressor would be about the only CIII thing I would want to own.



Aw c'mon Norm, you wouldn't want an MP5SD or M16?

I know I would after Mojo was gracious enough to allow me to shoot his. I was hooked

~



No, I really wouldn't. I think they are fun to shoot, and I'm glad other people own them, but for $10k and to have the fun wear off in the first month or two, just doesn't do anything for me.

A suppresor on the other hand is something I could put to good use.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 1:29:31 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 1:32:12 PM EST
find out if you can get a sign off, cans aren't that expensive. i couldn't get a sign off, and to me forming a corp wasn't cost effective (the can was $350). i wanted it for plinking and coyote hunting.

Zuma, go hit www.predatormasters.com, i'm sure you'll love it there. i used to work at a vet clinic and love animals too, but coyotes can have rabies, have attacked people before, have eaten their pets, etc. lots of good reasons to blast em'.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 3:21:25 PM EST

Originally Posted By 82ndAbn:

Originally Posted By norman74:
I keep thinking more and more that a suppressor would be about the only CIII thing I would want to own.



Aw c'mon Norm, you wouldn't want an MP5SD or M16?

I know I would after Mojo was gracious enough to allow me to shoot his. I was hooked

~


Does that qualify as get both
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 3:34:43 PM EST
I went to the range yesterday with my suppressed 300 Whisper, it would be the trick. You can get a good can for 300(plus the 200 tax).


I wish I had your varmit problem.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 4:06:51 PM EST
I came home from opening morning of squirrel hunting season this morning at 7:30AM and retrieved my M16 out of the gunsafe so that my hunting partner (father-in-law) could fire it. You guys think that I waked up the neighbors on this fine Sunday morning with a 30-round mag dump?

BTW, I'm hoping that my approved suppressor paperwork will arrive back at my dealer's in the next couple of weeks. That way I won't have to subject the neighbors to this type of behavior in the future.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 4:31:44 PM EST
Well, look at the bright side. Around here, I have known farmers to use treble hooks and 80lb test line and dangle a piece of meat 4 ft. off the ground. Then, when Mr. coyote comes along, he eats and now becomes a permanent swinging pendulum. This has been used for coyotes that have been a nuisane for the livestock (killing calves). I don't know about you but a quick clean dispatch of a coyote with a rifle is much more humane than the aforementioned. As far as killing varmints when intervening with someone's livelihood, you damn straight I'd kill a varmint.


Originally Posted By Zuma:
As a shooter and one who's spent 25 years raising wolves, wolf/dogs and a host of other critters that many of you consider target practice or otherwise unentitled to life, I'd have a hard time not shooting someone who shot a coyote if I was armed and there to see it.

No need to flame me as I'm obviously in the wrong place here...hinking.gif


CAN OPENED, WORMS EVERYWHERE.

Link Posted: 8/15/2004 4:39:50 PM EST
I have a zillion coyotes too, but they have never caused a problem. I have dogs, cats, chickens, horses, etc. the only thing that has ever attacked them are vultures, snakes and a possum, all of which are now deceased :-). Last thing I need to do is dispose of coyote carcasses. Much easier to just send one round in their direction, and have them flee to the next county.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 4:52:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zuma:
As a shooter and one who's spent 25 years raising wolves, wolf/dogs and a host of other critters that many of you consider target practice or otherwise unentitled to life, I'd have a hard time not shooting someone who shot a coyote if I was armed and there to see it.

No need to flame me as I'm obviously in the wrong place here...


CAN OPENED, WORMS EVERYWHERE.



Just remember that you can kill off 70% of the coyote population and it will go back to the same level within a year.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 5:02:33 PM EST
I failed to mention in my original post how thick the coyotes are in this area. My house where, I saw all of them is less than 1/4 mile form the city limits and about 1 mile from a college campus, where they have been seen raiding dumpsters. They are spreading like wildfire around here.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 5:44:23 PM EST
Oh well, that would be like shooting fish in a barrel. You will have something to hunt later. But I join you in wishing for a suppressor. That was a cool situation though.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 6:06:37 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zuma:
As a shooter and one who's spent 25 years raising wolves, wolf/dogs and a host of other critters that many of you consider target practice or otherwise unentitled to life, I'd have a hard time not shooting someone who shot a coyote if I was armed and there to see it.

No need to flame me as I'm obviously in the wrong place here...


CAN OPENED, WORMS EVERYWHERE.



Felon in the making.

Coyotes are legally vermin in all but a few liberal-freak states. They get shot on sight, and there's not a god damned thing anyone can do to stop it.

Let's say I was shooting yotes back in KS where I'm from. Let's say I see you raise a gun towards me. Let's say you're dead from a GSW before your finger reaches the trigger.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 6:09:56 PM EST

They are spreading like wildfire around here.

....and wildfires must be dealt with extreme prejudice
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 6:22:07 PM EST

Originally Posted By Zuma:
Originally Posted By Hoplophile:
Coyotes and feral dogs need to eat, too.

Sure they need to eat. So does the mosquito that I just slapped as it landed on my arm.


Who made you arbiter of what deserves to live and what deserves to die?
God? Fate? No, I prefer to think that it was ME who made the final arbiter of what lives and dies. I don't have to worry about now that I'm sitting around in the suburbs but I grew up with chickens and such that were under contant threat from all sorts of predators. Our garden was under constant threat from rabbits and I slew them without mercy as well.


And I did not state that I'm "willing to murder a person who was defending their home from a predator." I stated that I'd "have a hard time not shooting" (no mention of killing is made) someone who shot a coyote -- a clear indication that there is indeed judgement, despite temptation, involved.
You're right. You said you'd have a hard time not committing assault with a deadly weapon and attempted murder. With some possibility for murder that you might be able to plea bargain down to manslaughter. Perhaps you were not aware that shooting is considered deadly force in most jurisdictions?
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 7:08:31 PM EST
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 7:26:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Nicholastheczar:
My neighbor and I disregarded the other neighbors to take some target practice on some rabbits that were "threatening our lives" in our backyards. Unfortunately, the cops showed up a few minutes later. Luckily I am a cop too, so ....!



This is why most cops SUCK! So many think they are above the law.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 8:50:19 PM EST
Given that I've already copped to an overzealous reaction and apologized for it, let me just add the following: What I originally posted was an emotional, gut-level response. My first reaction to hearing the relish so many take in the wanton extermination of animals they don't like (what I'd call Species Arrogance if I were indeed a PETA freak) was that I'd like to treat them to a taste of their own medicine (I wonder how the gang at PredatorMasters.com would feel if a higher order of life took a similar interest in them). Would I, in reality? In all probability, no. I mean, Jesus, I'm a somewhat mature, civilized adult human being (deadly weapons notwithstanding) but it is what I feel in my heart.

But seriously, folks, coyotes are becoming problematic in the urban Chicago area. They've been spotted in the city itself and are growing more and more populous in the suburbs. I've seen them crossing streets and exploring cul-de-sacs both at night and in broad daylight and pets have indeed been taken. We are not, however, allowed to shoot them on sight, regardless of what's stamped on the lower receiver of our black rifles. They are most often live trapped by wildlife authorities and relocated north (for you cheeseheads to mow down at your leisure).

I don't worry about my dog being taken because my dog is big enough to discourage such behavior. He's more likely to mate with a coyote than kill or be killed by one. In fact, pretty much everyone on this block has two or three large dogs a scrawny scavenging coyote would be crazy to go near.

I don't worry about my cats being taken because they live indoors and I'm ever-vigilant about them staying that way. Same with kids. If you leave a child or a small animal unattended outdoors where predators are known to frequent and that child or animal is taken by one, who is to blame, you or the predator? No, really.

There's a virtual food chain in my yard and once in the same 10-minute span a feral cat caught one of the squirrels whereupon my Husky caught the cat and all manner of hilarity ensued. No shooting was required and all parties lived to eat another day.

Look, I used to make a living doing this kind of thing, flame-baiting for fun and profit. I could keep it going for weeks, if not months at a time (assuming Admins didn't cork it themselves), hacking and slashing through feeble arguments with logic, precedent and a tenacity fueled by the sheer joy of making others froth at the mouth and the veins in their foreheads throb dangerously. But that was NOT my intention here so let's just let it go, agree to disagree and I'll stay the hell out of any further discussion on the matter.

And, yeah -- I'd like a can on my carbine as well. Might make getting away with that "eye for an eye" thing more probable. That's, I say, that's a joke, son.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 8:57:09 PM EST
Zuma, you're new here.

Down boy.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 9:05:35 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/16/2004 3:40:41 AM EST by knightone]
Zuma, I share some of your same thoughts and ideals. I'm not a hunter and I have issues against hunting and killing animals. But yeah, threats have to be dealt with, and I can see how hunting can have its good points as well toward wildlife. There is middle ground to be met here. Let's just all respect each other's opinions and beliefs.
Link Posted: 8/15/2004 9:25:34 PM EST
Hey Zuma, are you forgetting that most wolves are known to kill coyotes on sight? They don't tolerate them either.

I saw it on National Geographic - The Wolves of Yellowstone. It MUST be true.
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 12:56:13 PM EST
Coyote's suck ass. They are the crack heads of the Canis family. I would have a hard time killing a wolf, even if it were to attack me. Wolves is cool. Dogs are cooler than people. But Coyotes have killed 4 dogs on and around my mom's property in Avery county NC, and wolves are usually smart enough to F/O out of the A/O when they smell us comin. Saying coyotes are dogs is kinda like saying terrorists are people, technically true, but morally incorrect. Imagine how the indigenous and ferral "Carolina Dog" populations in the South feel. They must be overjoyed at the introduction of the Crackyote into their natural habitat. Fuck a damned coyote. A French Cat is better than a Coyote. Ain't it illegal to "hunt" with a suppressor? Does pest irradication count as hunting?
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 1:15:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 8/20/2004 1:17:48 PM EST by R_S]
Coyotes have taken several small dogs and cats in my city in the past year. It is almost impossible to take one alive. I don't have any problems with somebody shooting a coyote in the same situation on sight.

www.houstonpress.com/issues/2004-01-29/news.html

"It's always open season on Texas coyotes, according to the Texas Department of Parks and Wildlife. They have been reported to eat pets, eat crops and even kill calves. And there just aren't enough state-funded trappers.

So coyotes can be hunted year-round, allowing people like Davis to try to take care of the problem themselves, says John Young, mammalogist for the state wildlife agency. People who want to kill coyotes on their own land need only a hunting license (unless, of course, the property is within a city where it is illegal to discharge a firearm). "


Link Posted: 8/20/2004 1:23:46 PM EST
We've got something almost as bad in our neighborhood...


GODDAMN KIT FOXES! EVERYWHERE!


Every morning on the way to work I see ATLEAST 5 OF THESE DAMN THINGS! Might be the same ones over and over and over but I see these things consistently, living right smack dab in the middle of town. Granted this "town" is a bit rural but it's still a population of 300k or so with these kit foxes dwelling close to some major 6 lane roads(3 lanes in opposite directions). These things are smart enough to know how to dodge cars, they are nocturnal so they miss most of the real traffic anyhow, and they are preying on pets in our neighborhood for sure.

I've watched kitfoxes take down large rabbits with no problems and I have little doubt that the neighborhood cats are much more of a fight. Having had 2 of my own cats mysteriously disappear I can't help but wonder if they were kitfox chow.


Thankfully the coyotes are smart enough to stay further out of town and live out on the fringes of the county line. I don't shed any tears when I see a kitfox or coyote smushed in the road close to the city, a definite pest that is problematic and doesn't belong in the city or suburb.

Too bad the damn kitfoxes can't be sorted out like the coyotes when they get to be a problem. Atleast capture the damned things and move them to some place where things aren't damned easy for them, let them prey on actual wilderness critters rather than the fat lazy buffet of tamed house cats they seem to be fattening up on currently. But nooooooo, nobody in Ca.(atleast the gov't agencies) wants to "molest" the poor wittle kitfox and it's their opinion that we should feel honored to have said kitfox choose to nurish itself on our pets.

Link Posted: 8/20/2004 1:31:41 PM EST
Coyotes = targets if they are within a few hundred yards of my home.

Period. I aint losing another fuzzball kitten to them. Coyotes don't rub against my face when Im reading the paper.... so they die.


- BUCC_Guy
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 1:56:19 PM EST

Originally Posted By inferno715:
but coyotes can have rabies, have attacked people before, have eaten their pets, etc. lots of good reasons to blast em'.



Same with native Africans. But we can't go blastin' them whenever we feel like it ........can we?
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 8:11:06 PM EST
You might want to check in on the M16 side:

I'm looking for a can too

Hunting For an M16 Can
Link Posted: 8/20/2004 9:59:48 PM EST
Did anyone hear about the little kid that was attacked by a yote in California last week?



Varmints are an infectious plague and should be put out of their missery

Link Posted: 8/20/2004 10:07:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By Breycor:


Same with native Africans. But we can't go blastin' them whenever we feel like it ........can we?




Wow.

Would you if you could? It sure sounds like it to me.

Shame on you for compareing humans to vermin.
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