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Posted: 10/4/2004 9:13:13 PM EDT
I would like to hear opinions on this M-4 style AR?
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 2:18:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2004 2:19:47 AM EDT by Atreides]
It looks good to me. Pretty much like all of the M4 clones. Is DPMS selling these to the general public now? Their website still says it's for LE only. The reason could be the 14.5" barrels that one of the AP4 models come with (M4). It looks like they have the 'regular' birdcage type Flash hider, so even if it is pinned and welded, the barrel length still comes up short for civilian use.

The 16" model would be OK. With the Flash Hider fixed the overall barrel length on that model will be a little over 17". Nothing wrong with that, in fact on hindsight I would get a 16" barrel instead of the 14.5" I got on my Bushy.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 2:23:45 AM EDT
Yep it's an M4, one with a 1/9 barrel twist.

Just my preference but I have relinquished all my 1/9 twist M4 rifles in favor of 1/7 twist barrels which allow utilization of the heavier 77grn. SMK and OTM rounds. As the next generation of ARs may or may not be 5.56/223 calibered, seems the heavier 77grn. rounds give better performance in the current platform using all current accessories, mags in particular, whereas what the newer 6.8 or 6.5 uppers will require is still somewhat yet to be determined.

Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:13:09 AM EDT
No doubt the heavier bullets perform better in both accuracy and balistically when fired from a 1:7 twist barrel of at least 16" in length. (77-90gr bullets)

But a 1:9 twist is able to settle bullets in a far wider weight range, between 40-73gr. (.223 velocity). So, for a general purpose barrel, a 1:9" twist is a good "in between" choice.

I' just getting used to shooting both .223 & 5.56MM and have found bullet weight to have a big effect on how accurate a AR15 is.

I have to agree once again with you Mike, the .223/5.56mm round is bound to follow the Dinosaurs into oblivion as far as current military use goes, but like in the case of the Russian 7.62 X 39MM I am sure these rounds will be easy to get for years to come.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 5:35:49 AM EDT
Yes they are available to the public - in the 16" version - or a 14.5 with a perm attached flashhider or comp. And if you want a 16" chrome lined 1 in 7 barrel they have them in stock, just request it.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 6:52:15 AM EDT
I was at a gunshow this past weekend and DPMS had a table of M4s for sale. They looked great and they were at a pretty good price $775 for a M4A3 with 6 position stock and a panther flash hider.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 7:00:11 AM EDT
What is the diffrence between the panther flash hider and the regular one?
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 1:37:18 PM EDT
The panther flash hider looks a little like a Vortez flash hider.

Here is a pic of one of DPMS website, they also had M4s with the regular A2 flash hiders for the same price.


Link Posted: 10/5/2004 1:41:11 PM EDT
Make sure you get it with a chrome bore/chamber.
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 3:24:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2004 3:29:47 PM EDT by redx00]
That's the one I bought a few days ago, from Kiesler's Police Supply in Indiana. They said that all the ones they just got in had chrome-lined barrels. I was skeptical since they normally don't come with chrome-lined barrels as standard. One of the guys at the store actually said that all of DPMS's M4 type barrels are now chrome-lined (maybe he meant that's how they were ordering them??he
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 4:37:23 PM EDT
I just received a new DPMS AP4 last week and took it out to the range last weekend. Worked perfectly, and was even pretty accurate for the 1st time out. Not a single maluf, shot about 100 rounds. It, too, looks like a chrome bore. It is the 1-9 twist, and I will be loading up some 52s, 55 VMax, 68s, and even some 75s just to try. I have an LTR 1-9 and it will stabilize the 75s a-ok. I know it is hit and miss at this bullet weight with this twist, but you dont know until you try..

The fit and finish on the rifle is excellent. I would highly recommend!!
Link Posted: 10/5/2004 8:40:53 PM EDT
redx00, How much did you pay for your M4?
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 7:36:48 AM EDT
I contacted DPMS by e-mail and their response was some what gibberish! Basically the closest dealer to me is in Orlando, Fl. How could that be!
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 3:15:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/6/2004 3:34:25 PM EDT by redx00]
16" barrel, flash hider, 6-pos stock, bayo lug
$849.95 +tax
(2) 30 round mags (metal)
basic cleaning kit
hard plastic case
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 5:00:55 PM EDT
I've got one on order.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 5:39:09 PM EDT
I bought the DPMS m4-a3 too at kesilers on sat...it is fucking aswome, i havnt shoot it yet but it is well put together and perfect....it is my dream gun.
Link Posted: 10/6/2004 10:12:22 PM EDT
DPMS e-mailed me again and said that I could buy from www.floridagunworks.com. Anyone use or heard of them. I couldn't find the M4 on their site so I e-mailed them.
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