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Posted: 10/15/2004 3:27:37 AM EST
Which one do you prefer and why? What are the pros and cons??? Which is the superior product in your opinion???

Daniels Defense 7.0 (picture courtesy of Adcofirearms.com)


(Picture courtesy of www.gandrtactical.com)


LaRue 7.0 (picture courtesy of www.gandrtactical.com)

Link Posted: 10/15/2004 3:33:35 AM EST
I think you will find both will fit your needs and both are darn near perfect in craftsmanship. LaRue really hit the market hard because they offered their rails at a much better price but now DD has lowered their prices too. What I really like about the LaRue is how it locks onto the receiver, preventing it from coming loose, a common problem for our boys in uniform (so I'm told).

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Link Posted: 10/15/2004 3:38:54 AM EST

Originally Posted By bigbore:
DD



Why??? Explain please???
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 3:50:09 AM EST
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[Last Edit: 10/15/2004 3:54:16 AM EST by bigbore]
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 3:57:25 AM EST

Originally Posted By bigbore:

Originally Posted By M4arc:
What I really like about the LaRue is how it locks onto the receiver, preventing it from coming loose, a common problem for our boys in uniform (so I'm told).




I highly doubt its a "common" problem. NO railsystem properly assembled will come lose (lessons learned). IMO, the extra parts are unnecessary.



Gotcha, thanks for clearing up that "internet rumor"
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 3:59:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/15/2004 3:59:37 AM EST by glockguy40]
Free Float tubes, as you know, rarely fit 100% flush with the rail on the flattop upper... they usually leave a small gap between the FF tube and the rail of the upper.

Of the 2 free float tubes, which one causes the smallest gap between it and the upper's rail???
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:11:02 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:19:07 AM EST
Thanks bigbore... appreciate the pic and all the info.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:21:18 AM EST

Originally Posted By bigbore:
I like fit, finish, color better than the LaRue. They are both good - I wouldnt say one is better than the other.



+1

It is purly cosmetic reasons that I like the DD better. I think they have a nicer finish (not purple looking) and I like the bbl nut better. I think the LaRue has a better system of lock up but I don't think it would be a problem for anyone.

Keep in mind that I have not owned the LaRue, only KAC and DD so I am purly basing my preference on what I have vs. the looks of the other.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:49:29 AM EST
I had a FF RAS on an SPR done by Crane work loose and the rail droop and touch the barrel. You need to locktite the ring to keep it from looseing but that is as effective as the detent in the LaRue set up.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 4:53:01 AM EST
after having used both a big +1 for the LaRue, the machining done on the LaRue is far more precise
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Link Posted: 10/15/2004 5:44:02 AM EST
My only gripe with the LaRue is how difficult it is to fit a gas block under the tube. In the case of the 7.0 it is not an issue but on the longer models it is.
Link Posted: 10/15/2004 6:59:40 AM EST
I have both and prefer the Larue over the DD. The DD has an oval shape and if you put some non ladder type rail cover, it just looks funny. IMO, Larue has a nicer finish. My ARMS 22M28 and 22 isn't as snug on the DD compared to Larue. Last but not least, the Larue is approx. $30 cheaper.
Link Posted: 10/17/2004 8:02:58 PM EST
How much lighter weight is the DD foreend than the LaRue? Isnt it like a quarter pound or there about?
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:07:42 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:17:25 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/18/2004 3:17:53 AM EST by Yojimbo]

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:

Originally Posted By DevL:
How much lighter weight is the DD foreend than the LaRue? Isnt it like a quarter pound or there about?




When they were both using Alum barrel nuts the difference was around an ounce and change. Now that they have both gone to a steel barrel nut I am not sure what it is....


C4




Grant,

Did either Larue or DD give a reason why they switched to steel barrel nuts? Maybe KAC had it right all along...

BTW, were the FF rails that came loose during the fire fight installed by the same guys who installed the ARMS #40 BUIS without using Loc-Tite? While I'm not doubting these things occur I also feel some blame has to go to operator error and people not double checking their gear.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 3:34:11 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 5:16:31 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/18/2004 5:21:54 AM EST by MSTN]
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 5:22:50 AM EST

Originally Posted By MSTN:
YOU GUYS DON'T TORQUE THE HANDGUARD NUT, TOO ?!? AFTER SETTING THE THREADS?

WHAT IS QUITE CLEAR IS THAT A LOT OF FOLKS KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT PROPER FREE FLOATING FOREND INSTALLATION. NOT A LOT.

NO WONDER HANDGUARDS GET LOOSE.

WES



Wes - can you describe the *proper* steps to install a Larue tube?
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 5:25:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By FALARAK:

Originally Posted By MSTN:
YOU GUYS DON'T TORQUE THE HANDGUARD NUT, TOO ?!? AFTER SETTING THE THREADS?

WHAT IS QUITE CLEAR IS THAT A LOT OF FOLKS KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT PROPER FREE FLOATING FOREND INSTALLATION. NOT A LOT.

NO WONDER HANDGUARDS GET LOOSE.

WES



Wes - can you describe the *proper* steps to install a Larue tube?



Thought I was doing good, but was wondering what "SETTING THE THREADS?" is. Thanks.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 5:36:00 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/18/2004 8:33:18 AM EST by C4iGrant]
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Link Posted: 10/18/2004 6:01:02 AM EST

Originally Posted By MSTN:
...
ON FF FOREND INSTALLATION:

LOCKTITE IS NOT THE ANSWER, AS IT INCREASES GALLING.

YOU GUYS DON'T TORQUE THE HANDGUARD NUT, TOO ?!? AFTER SETTING THE THREADS?




Wes,
Never having installed a FF front end before I was unsure what to do - Loctite did cross my mind but I decided to treat it like the barrel nut.

Light grease on the threads then tighten down 3 times with a strap wrench.

Do you have any tips which would help? (BTW the rifle has only fired 400-500 rounds since the DD installation no loosening seen yet - but the round count is still low).
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 6:07:32 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/18/2004 6:20:44 AM EST
Tagged for the slug fest.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 6:33:31 AM EST
Seriously guys.... can't we all get along.... now I feel bad for having started this thread.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 6:35:37 AM EST
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[Last Edit: 10/18/2004 6:39:17 AM EST by MSTN]
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[Last Edit: 10/18/2004 6:53:27 AM EST by DevL]
I was told the DD 12.0 was the only foreend available with barel nut. The carbines still had the aluminum nut. Is this not true? Can you order the alumiun barrel nut seperate from Daniel Defense? They said they sold barrel nuts seperately before but wonder if the aluminum unit is still in production.

Also the 20 round mag suggestion does not work for me because the issue is holding the weapon up one handed while performing reloads and the weight of the magazine is not part of the equation in that scenario.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 6:56:00 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 7:11:05 AM EST
IM sent.
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 8:09:16 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/18/2004 9:09:47 AM EST
OK, OK, GEEZ - I GET IT!
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 9:36:32 AM EST
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Link Posted: 10/18/2004 11:44:19 AM EST

Originally Posted By BookHound:
Wes, I think your keyboard just went full-auto.





How do I convert my AR-15 keyboard to full-auto? I think my laptop has a sear block
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 11:52:30 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/18/2004 12:10:34 PM EST by bigbore]
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 11:52:30 AM EST
Will the Larue clear a shaved front sight? Can you install the rail itself, after the barrel nut is installed, with the shaved front sight or low profile gas block in place?
Link Posted: 10/18/2004 11:53:27 AM EST
Chalk this up as a customer who had a DD FF rail that the nut came loose on. I am waiting to pick up my new LT fore end this week, at which time I'll be switching them out and the DD will go on an upper that will not use a vert grip.

One other comment others have not touched on - the DD barrel nut is too high to mount most optics, etc over the gap between the ff tube and the upper. I was originally looking at going to the LT FF so that I could use their Eotech riser ...

Go Larue. The color is better, the mounting implementation is much better thought out (mechanical indexing of the rails, for one!) and the customer service can't be beat.

Doc
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