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Posted: 1/24/2011 10:07:44 AM EDT
Could someone tell me the date of the head stamp on recently purchased IMI M193 or M855 from Wideners?
Link Posted: 1/24/2011 12:22:23 PM EDT
[#1]
Wideners M855, lot 219k, 2009
No green paint.
Link Posted: 1/24/2011 11:57:33 PM EDT
[#2]
2009 on mine (M193 and M855)
Link Posted: 1/25/2011 10:05:36 AM EDT
[#3]
09 on the M193 for me.



It's been great for practice.



Link Posted: 1/25/2011 4:14:08 PM EDT
[#4]
Lot 00203/a for me...looks to be 2009.  M855 with no green tip.
Link Posted: 1/25/2011 5:21:51 PM EDT
[#5]



Quoted:


Wideners M855, lot 219k, 2009

No green paint.


+1



 
Link Posted: 1/26/2011 10:39:50 AM EDT
[#6]
Ahhh, the good ol' days of premium IMI M855... Makes the new stuff seem like XM lake city...

Link Posted: 1/26/2011 11:07:32 AM EDT
[#7]
Hey I got some from that same lot left, about 2000-2001?  I bought it from Botach Tactical for .24 each if I remember right.
Link Posted: 1/26/2011 2:52:20 PM EDT
[#8]
i'll tell ya when i get my 2 cases in @ the end of this week, or the beginning of next.
Link Posted: 1/26/2011 4:36:37 PM EDT
[#9]
Quoted:
Wideners M855, lot 219k, 2009
No green paint.


What he said...on three different 1200-rd boxes
Link Posted: 1/26/2011 6:33:15 PM EDT
[#10]
Ah Lakecity.  Can't help myself, but I was fortunate to take a tour of Lakecity a few years ago.  All I can say is it was awesome to see how cases are made (about a 5 step drawing out process from a slug of metal), how primers are made (primer cups hand-filled with primer coumpound and sealed with a star), and the formation of the bullets (from lead core/ap to jacket bonding.  And home to the all inpressive M118 for us 7.62 shooters.  Sorry no parting gifts or samples were given away.
Link Posted: 1/26/2011 6:54:22 PM EDT
[#11]
Quoted:
Quoted:
Wideners M855, lot 219k, 2009
No green paint.


What he said...on three different 1200-rd boxes


Same here...

Link Posted: 1/26/2011 9:02:07 PM EDT
[#12]
Is the IMI M855 ammo all that???
I have Radway Green SS109, UAE SS109  & some LC SS109,I've shot both the UAE & RG with excellent results in accuracy.How much better can the IMI stuff be??
I bought the Radway from Wideners a few years back,got 4 cans & wish I bought more,Got the UAE stuff from Classic Arms last year, I think I bought 1200 rounds total & I wish I had bought 5 times as much.
Now I want some of the IMI stuff before it's all gone but the price has me hesitating.What to do,decisions,decisions????
Link Posted: 1/27/2011 12:54:14 AM EDT
[#13]
Molon's testing says it all about the IMI M855, check out the various links to his M855 analysis.

Royal Ordnance's Radway Green SS109 ammo is okay...I find it a bit underpowered compared to IMI and LC, with the occasional FTE or short stroke...depends on your weapon. Since I converted over to middy length carbines (longer gas tubes) and BCM bolt carrier groups a few years back, I have all but eliminated this problem, no matter what ammo (even bear and wolf) I feed my RRA and Colt puppies.

Link Posted: 1/27/2011 4:48:41 AM EDT
[#14]
Quoted:
Ahhh, the good ol' days of premium IMI M855... Makes the new stuff seem like XM lake city...



I sold the few boxes I had of that during the Obama panic.


Link Posted: 1/27/2011 11:37:08 AM EDT
[#15]
I have IMI M855 Without the green tip. Bought last week from Wideners for 380 per case including delivery . Head stamp says 09. Overall the ammo looks a little maybe dirtier than normal lake city. Haven't shot it yet haven't got my ACR yet.

Pics. See for your self. The black spots don't rub off looks like sealant. ???



See this pic how the right of middle projectile looks a little bit darker than the others.



IN this pic I didn't use a flash and you can see how much darker that projectile is. Almost looks like certain metals look when you heat them and then they get that purplish wavy sheen to them.  







Link Posted: 1/27/2011 1:32:54 PM EDT
[#16]
Link Posted: 1/27/2011 6:29:02 PM EDT
[#17]
Quoted:
They don't worry too much about the cosmetics on military ammo, function is important, cosmetics isn't.


Hell yeah.  Those black marks look like pure heaven to me!
Link Posted: 1/27/2011 7:43:26 PM EDT
[#18]
Quoted:
Quoted:
They don't worry too much about the cosmetics on military ammo, function is important, cosmetics isn't.


Hell yeah.  Those black marks look like pure heaven to me!



Yeah thats what i've heard. Mil spec is quality not pretty brass or looks.

Best of all 2400 rounds.

Hope the pics help out jmj999.
Link Posted: 1/27/2011 8:31:14 PM EDT
[#19]
anyone have close up shots of the IMI M193?  Looking the same as the M855?
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 10:23:40 AM EDT
[#20]
That would be a good idea because I have not seen any pics of the IMI M193.
Would be interesting to see if they look very similar. If they do they are run on the same line, and not have 2 lines one for 193 and one  for m855.

Link Posted: 1/28/2011 11:33:32 AM EDT
[#21]
IMI M193 (three cases) all had lot # 0215, mfg. '09.
Link Posted: 1/28/2011 2:38:38 PM EDT
[#22]
Kind of curious that the pictures of the older IMI show a higher lot number than the pictures of the newer stuff.  Are you sure that it is 09 and not a 90?  Hebrew is a right to left language.

Link Posted: 1/28/2011 3:54:27 PM EDT
[#23]
2009 production...................just got my 2 cases in today and was looking @ the "dirty" casings and projectiles and scratching my head too.  it looks as if they flamed the neck with the bullet in the casing; IS THAT TYPICALLY HOW IT'S DONE?  the bullet was definitely exposed to an open flame...................................now if i can figure out how to upload pics i will post some.
Link Posted: 1/29/2011 8:34:53 PM EDT
[#25]
Case discoloration is annealing.  Nothing to worry about.  

Military ammo isnt usually polished post loading as the civilian sales stuff is.  no need to make it look pretty.
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