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5/28/2020 10:18:12 PM
Posted: 12/27/2002 9:32:00 AM EDT
Hi Everyone,
I've been reading a lot on the board and have learned a lot so far.  Thanks for all the info so far.

I do not yet own an AR, but I plan on having one in the next few months.  Recently I started thinking about putting one together from parts.  

I am confident that I could assemble a rifle and have it function properly and accurately.  The question I have now, is how does the cost of building an AR compare with buying a new one?  What I want to end up with is basically the Bushmaster A3 shorty.  

Any thoughts or suggestions will be greatly appreciated.  I have priced some things out, but I know I have missed somethings too.

Link Posted: 12/27/2002 10:06:44 AM EDT
About $440 bucks according to [url=http://old.ar15.com/docs/primer/]this[/url]
Link Posted: 12/27/2002 10:49:33 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2002 10:53:57 AM EDT by neilfj]
Probably closer to $550-600, depending on parts.
The link posted is 5 years old. The price of $440 does not appear to include the cost of a stripped lower, which would add an additional $125 or so to it, bringing it to about $565.

Without looking up any prices:
Stripped lower:   $125
Lower Parts Kit:  $ 55
Butt Stock/buffer:$ 55
Stripped Upper:   $125
Bolt/Carrier:     $125
Charging Handle:  $ 15
Barrel Assemb:    $150

You may be able to knock a few dollars here and there, but generally speaking, those are ball park prices.
Link Posted: 12/27/2002 10:56:32 AM EDT
Thanks for the replies!  From this info and the little looking I've done, it looks like I would end up saving around $150 to $200 by building my own.  

There are probably some other costs as far as tools and of course the transfer on the receiver.

So, in the end, I'm guessing it depends on the individual?  I really like doing this sort of thing so I'm going to do some more searching.

Thanks again,
Link Posted: 12/27/2002 11:01:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/27/2002 11:02:57 AM EDT by Rancid]
My Christmas present this year was a Oly Kit.

Got it on special, 424.00 A2 20"
Added/substitute: SS 16" Eliminator BBl 55.00
Shipping was 12.95
total to Oly 491.95

Stripped lower, from Triple Break Products 105.00 (great service! highly reccommended)
Shipping 2 day air (it was almost Christmas)9.00
FFL transfer 15.00

Grand Total 620.95

Rancid Lance
Link Posted: 12/27/2002 11:04:18 AM EDT
watertower, you will get alot out of putting together your own rifle, not just saving money.

Link Posted: 12/27/2002 11:11:39 AM EDT
It's not all about the money.  I am looking for something fun to do this winter, so building an AR is not out of the picture.  

The thing is, I've wanted one for so long I don't want to wait any longer.  

I really want an AR!

How do you like Oly. stuff?  I've heard/read good and bad.  Does Triple Break Products have a website?

Link Posted: 12/27/2002 11:18:09 AM EDT
Link Posted: 12/27/2002 1:25:03 PM EDT

Was that stripped lower on specialat Triple Break?  I have not seen a forged reciever for less than $125 anywhere...

Link Posted: 12/27/2002 1:35:36 PM EDT
After reading through some other info, I found a website for Model 1 Sales.  Has anybody dealt with them?  There website doesn't give much info.  Any idea what brand(s) they sell?  Or, do they actually make their own parts?

Prices looked good, if those are actually the current prices.  


Link Posted: 12/27/2002 3:12:51 PM EDT
Be afraid, be very afraid.  First you build one.  Then you build another.  Then someone tells you about a FAL kit and you try one of those.  The addiction never ends.  Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!
Link Posted: 12/27/2002 6:18:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dorsai:
Be afraid, be very afraid.  First you build one.  Then you build another.  Then someone tells you about a FAL kit and you try one of those.  The addiction never ends.  Resistance is futile, you will be assimilated!
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Too late...he's found the board. He has already been assimilated!
Link Posted: 12/27/2002 6:42:39 PM EDT
try taking a look at Http://www.pmswebstore.com
I've bought all my parts from this guy great service and never any malfunctions. Don't see the upper you want call or E-Mail him and he will get it really nice guy!!
Link Posted: 12/27/2002 9:05:33 PM EDT
BIY! you'll be glad you did.[:)] not paying the FET on a complete rifle is savings enough. Plus you'll know everything about your rig. Any one of the distributors on the Industry page will be able to set you up with a kit and will warrant what they sell.
Link Posted: 12/27/2002 10:08:55 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Dawg180:

Was that stripped lower on specialat Triple Break?  I have not seen a forged reciever for less than $125 anywhere...

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Talk to Dave at www.quanticoarms.com ASAP.

He has Eagle stripped lowers for 100.oo for a few more days (I believe)
Link Posted: 12/28/2002 7:05:05 AM EDT
The Oly Lower I said was 105.00 was a November sale, It looks like right now he Triple Break Products has Cast Lowers on sale for 79.00,
and Oly has a Lifetime Guarantee, so you have no worry's.

Watertower, I have now 2 Oly's
An Ultra Match, and a PCR-7 from a Kit
I think the fit and finish are excellant.

Link Posted: 12/28/2002 12:18:06 PM EDT
I have built kits from JT and from Model 1 and been treated very well by both. I would recomend either as both were very good to deal with. Model one was even very helpful fixing an ordering screwup on my end. Oh and just for the record mostly because I am close to a Olympic distributor I have built 3 guns (including a Beowulf 50) on Olympic forged lowers and had no problems with function fit of finish
Link Posted: 12/28/2002 6:11:51 PM EDT
When I build my own I can't have anything but the best parts and it will end up costing $2000 or more.

I think if you want a cheap rifle you shouldn't build your own as the cheap guys already sell these for $450 (IE FAC, Hesse, Joeken.com, hell even Bushmasters go for $625 and that is close enough to youtr price that after you buy the wrench you will be over the mark< unless you use a $100reciever and a Model1Sales kit.
Link Posted: 12/28/2002 7:20:28 PM EDT
BUILD ONE!!  I have done 2 so far and have never had any type of problems. Both of mine are J&T kits.  The first is on a Rock River Arms lower, and the other is an Oly.  F.A.C. has forged Oly lowers for $89.  A complete kit with barrel assembled and headspaced will run between $400 and $435.  For just over $500, you will have a quality rifle that you can say YOU built, and you will know it better than anyone!  Makes it easier to work on too if you know how they go together.

Plus, if you really wanted to, you could just build up one lower and get different uppers for it.  I am thinking about a 24" flat-top varmit upper to use with the RRA lower.
Link Posted: 12/29/2002 9:24:41 AM EDT
Thanks everyone!  I'm waiting to see if a local deal will work out for a like new Bushmaster.  It's too good to pass up.

If it doesn't work out, I will be building my own.  Any suggestions on the upper?  Build it up or buy a complete upper?  I'm not really concerned with buying tools.  I have access to some and don't mind buying a few.  I know this won't be my last AR.

Yes I am hooked.  It started with handguns and now I'm expanding.  The scary thing is, I've only fired 10 rounds through an AR and I have to have one.

Thanks again,
Link Posted: 12/29/2002 2:54:58 PM EDT
Scott, where you at? N, S, E, W, UP?
I am in So. Central Mi, below Lansing.
I think an assembled upper is more practicle, or you will have to buy a Pierce action block to hold the upper in a vise wilst you tighten the barrel, with a barrel wrench.
If we live close, we could swap/loan tools as needed.

Rancid Lance
Link Posted: 12/29/2002 5:14:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2002 5:21:21 PM EDT by confederatemummy]
I would take this into mind before buying a kit though. From what i have learned from my research, most kits offered are basically non crome. That means the barrel lining, and carrier are not lined with crome like some top quality brand guns like bushmaster and DPMS offer. This basically means possible rust, and the parts with not last as long or be as smooth from what i have been told.

I built my own AR for $540 complete. The experience was rewarding, and I learned a lot. My gun is excellent quality for the price and tough, but it is still no where near the beautiful perfection of a bushmaster.

If I could have afforded it, i would have either bought a prebuilt bushy or built one up.

They don't offer kits as far as i know, but they do offer uppers. But man are they pricey.
Link Posted: 12/29/2002 5:53:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/29/2002 5:54:27 PM EDT by BallisticTip]
Got Bushy kits here, [url]www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weaponskit/[/url]
Link Posted: 12/30/2002 6:15:27 AM EDT
The Bushmaster website shows list price, right?  If not, then their prices are really high.

I was looking at J&T Distributing kits.  They appear to have the options I want and are a decent price too.  Do these kits use the pivot pins or the screws like Colt?  

Any thoughts on the FN uppers?  Guess I better give them a call.
Link Posted: 12/30/2002 6:29:14 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/30/2002 6:30:31 AM EDT by TomJefferson]
Forged lower from local gun shop  $109
J&T complete kit $430

Hardest issue was the forged lower. J&T was great with fast shipment. They do the upper and you do the lower.  Great features for a good price and yes pins.

I really like the Bushmasters and my next buy complete will be a Bush for sure, but looking at assmebly on my own, right now, best could do was save $100 over what I can get the rifle from a dealer.  Of course, that is all subject to change with time and availability.
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