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Posted: 8/2/2005 4:48:02 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/2/2005 4:49:51 AM EDT by Grunteled]
I happened to set my rifle aside one night after running a good soaking of Hoppes down the bore. Figured I'd let it work while I finished up some other items. Came back a few hours later and ran a patch through and it came out aqua colored. I thought I had been keeping up with it but I was dead wrong. I've made 5 runs and let it soak for 5 hours plus each run and I still have a few streaks of copper in there.

After the first three soaks it was actually bright and shiney copper in the boar and the Hoppes was coming out solid green. I guess the fouled stuff had gotten dingy enough not to be real visable and after that surface got removed it looked like copper plate. Looks like I'm closing in on removing it now but holy crap this stuff is hard to get loose if you let it build up.

I thought I had kept on top of it with some other cleaners, but this gun was used when I bought it and there is no telling how many rounds it had down it when I bought it.


ETA -- Mods: if you want to move this to cleaning/maint. that's fine. I meant to put it there.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 4:53:12 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 4:57:26 AM EDT
Sweet's 7.62 is great too but boy does the bottle and smell just scream death...
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 5:31:57 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 5:38:27 AM EDT
Hard to beat Sweet's 7.62 when it comes to cleaning out copper. Just so you're warned though, I wear heavy weight chemical gloves and a respirator when I use it.

Don't leave it in your barrel for too long either, and make sure you clean it all up.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 5:57:44 AM EDT
Because of the weather (hot as hell) and bugs, I have not been going outside to clean and Hoppes is about as far as I'll go with indoor use. I kinda like that Hoppes is slow, I don't have to baby-sit the stuff while it's in there. I'll have to get some of the more dedicated products for copper in the future though. Three days of cleaning is not something I want to do on a regular basis.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:07:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/2/2005 6:08:00 AM EDT by gplg]
I remember seeing some tool that looks like a screw driver thats supposed to work well at scrapping that junk off.

ETA: ar15.com/content/products/cleaning/boltCarrierScraper/
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:26:49 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/2/2005 6:29:00 AM EDT by tarfu64]

Originally Posted By gplg:
I remember seeing some tool that looks like a screw driver thats supposed to work well at scrapping that junk off.

ETA: ar15.com/content/products/cleaning/boltCarrierScraper/



Two totally different problems from two totally different parts, as I read it. What you are referencing is carbon deposit in the bottom of the bolt carrier. What the original post is talking about is COPPER FOULING IN THE BORE.

To get us back on track, I use Sweet's with good result, swab that bitch a good 15 or 20 times, but don't let it sit in there to "soak". Run the chance of ruining the bore with the strong ammonia.

By the way...Number 400 has been reached. What the hell was I thinking?
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:22:07 AM EDT
I use a brass brush to avoid etching my barrel.
Copper fouling solvent works wonders - but it can eat holes in steel.
I would rather not run the risk of not getting all that stuff out.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:30:25 AM EDT
Even better than Sweet's (just as effective, faster, and not harmful to you or the barrel) is this:Iosso bore cleaner
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:33:30 AM EDT
If your barrel is chrome lined then be carefull with the sweets or butches because it will remove the chrome too.

For cleaning my non-chrome lined rifles I prefer wipe-out.

Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:42:12 AM EDT
Believe it or not I have had great success with Kano Kroil on my bolt guns. It is penitrating oil which will creep under the fouling and it can then be brushed out.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 7:53:32 AM EDT

Originally Posted By ian187:
If your barrel is chrome lined then be carefull with the sweets or butches because it will remove the chrome too.

For cleaning my non-chrome lined rifles I prefer wipe-out.




Hoppes will do it also if you leae it on for a while.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:00:02 AM EDT

Originally Posted By SWO_daddy:
Even better than Sweet's (just as effective, faster, and not harmful to you or the barrel) is this:Iosso bore cleaner



This is looking real good. Have you tried any of their other products?
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:08:35 AM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By SWO_daddy:
Even better than Sweet's (just as effective, faster, and not harmful to you or the barrel) is this:Iosso bore cleaner



This is looking real good. Have you tried any of their other products?




would also like to know.


read through what they had and sounds good but then i ran into their laundry stain remover and all their camping equip cleaners.


too good to be true?
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 8:51:51 AM EDT
Try Outers bore foam. This is great stuff, just spray in, let sit for a little bit and swab out.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 9:22:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By _DR:

Originally Posted By SWO_daddy:
Even better than Sweet's (just as effective, faster, and not harmful to you or the barrel) is this:Iosso bore cleaner



This is looking real good. Have you tried any of their other products?



No, but after three years of trying all kinds of stuff (Hoppes, Butch Bore Shine, Shooters Choice, Pro Shot, CLP, and Kroil) I have come up with what works for me.

I now use Break Free Carbon Cutter for all fouling except heavy copper, Iosso for tough copper fouling and for keeping the carbon buildup off the throat, and Break Free CLP for lubing and light cleaning.

Break Free Carbon Cutter is almost a miracle. It outperforms Kroil in removing carbon fouling, and it attacks light copper fouling very well. To knock off heavy copper, I use Iosso in patches on a wraparound jag and run it up and down the bore already soaked in Carbon Cutter. Even rough hunting rifle barrels clean up in 30 minutes or less. Match grade barrels need only one or two passes to clean up nicely. Flush everything out with patches soaked in Carbon Cutter, patch dry, then apply a light coat of CLP and patch dry one more time for storage.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 10:08:27 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 2:18:36 PM EDT

Originally Posted By apneaman:
Try Outers bore foam. This is great stuff, just spray in, let sit for a little bit and swab out.



That's what I had used before and it left LOTS of stuff in there. I really never could get it to fill the bore. It would just come gushing back out at me.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 2:45:56 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 3:18:34 PM EDT
Just for laughs; take your rifle with all the copper out; clean the bore with No. 9 and leave it wet for 48 hours. Then push a patch through.

Post what you find.

Regards,
Mild Bill
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 4:44:16 PM EDT
+1 on the WipeOut. I bought a case of the stuff and love it. In addition to cleaning well, it also doesn’t stink up the house like the ammonia stuff.

Shoot it in until it the foam fills the bore; leave it in for a while.

Run a couple of patches through the bore.

Put your weapon away.

You’re done.

Have a beer. Relax.

viator
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 4:45:49 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mildbill39:
Just for laughs; take your rifle with all the copper out; clean the bore with No. 9 and leave it wet for 48 hours. Then push a patch through.

Post what you find.

Regards,
Mild Bill



Nothing. Some of us use products far more powerful and effective than Hoppe's.
Link Posted: 8/2/2005 6:34:19 PM EDT
I use Buches Bore Cleaner for carbon and copper with patch and non abrasive brush
once the green and black are removed I totally dry patch the barrel

then I run a saturated Kroil patch and dry patch it

then I use Hoppes oil -
Im thinking of replacing the hoppes oil for CLP
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 11:54:00 AM EDT
OK, when you guys talk about Hoppes #9, is it the #9 copper solvent? So this is safe to leave on overnight in a chrome lined barrel? I just tried it (about 10 min) and my patch came out blue. Bought this barrel used and have no idea how many rounds down the pipe but seems like it's heavily fouled and I may need to leave this stuff on longer if safe to do so.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 1:36:02 PM EDT
I use the Shooter's Choice Copper solvent in mine. You do have to limit the time it sits in the barrel and clean it out thoroughly, but it does a damn good job.
Works great to remove all the crap that Hoppes leaves behind.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 1:41:15 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 1:47:23 PM EDT
I really don't see all that much of a problem with most copper cleaners being left in for a while, especially with a chrome bore. Using them on a SS BBL however is asking for trouble as they will strip the copper ions out of the steel. That will end up pitting the metal.

I just clean mine properly after shooting and it never gets built up to the point it's a pain in the butt to get out.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 6:32:18 PM EDT
If you are trying to remove every last little spec of copper fouling you are fighting a battle you will never win. On a microscopic scale there are always going to be small enough traces of fouling left behind to give off colors with certain solvents. Mostly blue, green or bluish green.

So when you do get your barrel clean enough and your take hoppes or whatever else your using and let it sit for 48 hours you will see some evidence of fouling (color change on the patch). Its nothing to worry about.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 6:39:08 PM EDT
Well since no one addressed my specific question, I'll ask again. Is Hoppes Copper Solvent safe to leave on overnight on chrome lined barrels? I asked Hoppes via email a few weeks ago and no one from there answered my question so I defer to the experts here on the board.
Link Posted: 9/11/2005 6:47:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/11/2005 6:51:34 PM EDT by WalkerTexasRanger]

Originally Posted By twonami:
montana Extreme



I have began using this on the recommendation of Bill Shehane (10 time BR world record holder and 2004 IBS 1k champion). It is good stuff!!!
Link Posted: 9/12/2005 9:55:36 AM EDT
Here's what I use

Butches bore shine, Just started to use it and its OK!

Shooter's choice, Good stuff .

And the old stand by Sweet's 7.62 which is great but damn that crap is smelly. Got be carefull with it though I dont let it sit longer than 5 miutes in my chrome barrels and 10 minutes in the bolt gun's I had.
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