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Posted: 10/23/2004 8:33:43 PM EST
It's so hard to wait for the TA31F to be in stock, the TA01NSN is plenty available and cheap too, I want an ACOG and patience is not one of my virtues :D The ACOG with be mounted on a flattop on my M4A3 14.5" barrel.



Link Posted: 10/23/2004 8:38:54 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/23/2004 8:39:32 PM EST by MaverickMkii]
TA31x is just better than TA01... except if you love the crosshair. But you give up day time illumination and some speed.
Link Posted: 10/23/2004 8:45:09 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/24/2004 5:09:51 AM EST
The TA01NSN is a good scope and has its place, I don't regret having bought it.
Link Posted: 10/24/2004 5:33:02 AM EST
[Last Edit: 10/24/2004 5:34:34 AM EST by JETWC]
I have a TA01 and an NSN version and both a great scopes. I haven't invested in a TA31 myself since I don't do much "action" type shooting and mostly use the crosshairs on stationery targets. If you're going to be using it for hunting or moving type targets the TA31 is the way to go, where you ned a quick sight picture and to shoot with both eyes open. I actually prefer the standard TA01 red reticle over the smaller and slightly dimmer yellow of the NSN.
Link Posted: 10/24/2004 8:57:28 AM EST
Just try the NSN or the 01. If you do not like it, you can always sell it. It is a matter of personal preference. Some like the donut, triangle and some are great shoots with the crosshair.
Link Posted: 10/24/2004 11:03:46 AM EST
How do ya like this If you do, wait for the TA31F

Link Posted: 10/24/2004 11:13:02 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/24/2004 11:20:15 AM EST
Get the NSN for the long shot and put a Docter on top for CQB.


Link Posted: 10/24/2004 12:28:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By Duffy:
How do ya like this If you do, wait for the TA31F
home.earthlink.net/~whitman/TA31F.JPG



Sweet, as for the chevron, where is the center where you aim it at? Is it under the upside down V and above the vertical red line? As for the 4 and 6, is that x100 meters in which to aim upwards for long distance shots?
Link Posted: 10/24/2004 12:34:38 PM EST
You use the tip of the chevron to aim. The stadia lines are range finders, it's approximately the width of a man's shoulders. For longer ranges simply use the reticles below the chevron to aim.
Link Posted: 10/24/2004 12:43:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By Duffy:
You use the tip of the chevron to aim. The stadia lines are range finders, it's approximately the width of a man's shoulders. For longer ranges simply use the reticles below the chevron to aim.



Thanks, BTW I hate you for living in such a beautiful city! Is that SD?
Link Posted: 10/24/2004 1:02:54 PM EST
You're supposed to be aiming at the homeless bums, not the lifeguards! (Or are you just "spotting" the Baywatch types?)


There's nothing wrong with the NSN, its just not suited to certain roles that the 11's and 31's (and compacts) can fill for a little more money. I'd suggest getting some shooting time behind them before you make such a big purchase. Simply holding one up at a gun show or store isn't enough, you have to actually use it to see what works for you.
Link Posted: 10/24/2004 1:06:54 PM EST
Buy my NSN, only $700 shipped.
Link Posted: 10/24/2004 1:55:30 PM EST
dang, grab it while you can! Wish I got my TA01NSN for so little

I had to put the TA31F on an ottoman with one hand while holding the camera with the other, so I had only a rough idea where it was pointing In any case, using the range finder to judge the approx. distance (i'd say 900yds), if I use the chevron it would have fallen way short

It's Malibu, home of the rich (not me) and liberals (definitely not me!)
Link Posted: 10/24/2004 1:58:53 PM EST
Dude, in true arfkom fashion, I really did get both last week.
Link Posted: 10/24/2004 2:11:22 PM EST
Just say No to NSN
Link Posted: 10/24/2004 2:21:10 PM EST

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
Buy my NSN, only $700 shipped.



thanks for the offer, but I can get it NIB for $725 shipped from a Trijicon dealer here. I just have a connection
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 9:58:01 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 10:06:21 AM EST
get a ta11 donut or the ta31 donut....

if you have a m4 you want fast... not accurate... well... accurate enough... but fast! the donut is the fastest...

Link Posted: 10/25/2004 10:31:15 AM EST
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 12:15:47 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2004 12:17:41 PM EST by Va_Dinger]
For all the negative comments I'm reading about the NSN on this thread, this SEAL seems to be doing just fine with his. By the way, this photo is less than six months old.

Link Posted: 10/25/2004 12:23:33 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 12:27:11 PM EST

Originally Posted By new-arguy:
I've gotten submoa out to 300 and 1.5 moa out to 600 with a TA31 donut. KevinB won a precision rifle match with his TA31. In my book, thats better than accurate enough. I honestly dont believe the TA31 reticles are not accurate. I do believe that a crosshair makes it "easier" to be accurate, but a good shooter can work almost any reticle. When shooting for accuracy (especially for accuracys sake), most times you are afforded the opportunity to take extra time and work the reticle. With a donut this is all you need to achieve the same or VERY similar types of accuracy.

Come to think of it, maybe saying the BAC reticles are slower to be accurate but faster at everything else and the nsn reticle is faster to be accurate and slower than everything else is a better description than saying the nsn reticle is more accurate but slower o use and the TA31 reticles are less accurate but faster.

Wow, thats a mouthful! Im sure theres a better way to write that without having it be all one sentence, but hopefully you know what I mean.



I went crosseyed reading that! lol

But I sign onto the bottom line. Personally I prefer the TA31F....

But I'm also a guy that sold his TA31 donut to purchase an Aimpoint and a complete 20" A2 rifle. Couldn't be happier either. My M4 is built for speed and shooting 0-200 yards. My A2 is my 'old faithful.'

I'm a pretty good shot out to 400 yards with my irons. Anything beyond that I high tail it for my 270!
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 12:34:34 PM EST

Originally Posted By new-arguy:
I've gotten submoa out to 300 and 1.5 moa out to 600 with a TA31 donut. KevinB won a precision rifle match with his TA31. In my book, thats better than accurate enough. I honestly dont believe the TA31 reticles are not accurate. I do believe that a crosshair makes it "easier" to be accurate, but a good shooter can work almost any reticle. When shooting for accuracy (especially for accuracys sake), most times you are afforded the opportunity to take extra time and work the reticle. With a donut this is all you need to achieve the same or VERY similar types of accuracy.

Come to think of it, maybe saying the BAC reticles are slower to be accurate but faster at everything else and the nsn reticle is faster to be accurate and slower than everything else is a better description than saying the nsn reticle is more accurate but slower o use and the TA31 reticles are less accurate but faster.

Wow, thats a mouthful! Im sure theres a better way to write that without having it be all one sentence, but hopefully you know what I mean.



That wore me out---I"m going to take a nap now
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 12:35:52 PM EST

Originally Posted By new-arguy:
and it doesnt even have a Dr Optic! Blasphamy!




What is he thinking?
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 12:41:42 PM EST
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 12:43:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By new-arguy:
OK, thinkning about my jumble mouth train of thought a little more, I came up with this...

TA31 requires a little more time to be very accurate, but much less time for everything else.
TAO1 series requires less time to be very accurate, but is considerably slower for everything else.

Whaddaya think?



Excellent!
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 1:56:46 PM EST
I'm personally a big crosshair fan so I'm really looking into this one
Link Posted: 10/25/2004 2:01:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/25/2004 2:01:28 PM EST by thinman]

Originally Posted By new-arguy:
OK, thinkning about my jumble mouth train of thought a little more, I came up with this...

TA31 requires a little more time to be very accurate, but much less time for everything else.
TAO1 series requires less time to be very accurate, but is considerably slower for everything else.

Whaddaya think?



Link Posted: 10/26/2004 5:46:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Kisara:
There's nothing wrong with the NSN, its just not suited to certain roles that the 11's and 31's (and compacts) can fill for a little more money. I'd suggest getting some shooting time behind them before you make such a big purchase. Simply holding one up at a gun show or store isn't enough, you have to actually use it to see what works for you.



yano, I've heard that before but I don't knwo a single person who owns one.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 7:23:44 AM EST

Originally Posted By Snaps:
yano, I've heard that before but I don't knwo a single person who owns one.



I've got the same problem. I'm looking at both the TA01B and the TA31? with the .308 BDC.

I'm concerned about eye relief and general sight picture. It's a lotta bucks to drop on the wrong thing!

Slowworm.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 1:54:19 PM EST
I just decided to say screw it and ordered the NSN today.. I'm a fan of crosshairs so I'll go with that.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 3:43:17 PM EST
What did you pay?
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 4:13:12 PM EST
Somewhere areound 830-840 total. I'd have to check.
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