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Nice write-up, and excellent accuracy from a 1:12 twist barrel!
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The excellent accuracy was made possible by using Sierra's 52/53 grain match bullets. I have a nearly identical build. After letting an old A1 barrel sit in the basement corner for over a decade somehow I discovered I had enough extra parts laying around to put it back in to action.
The trhoat was rough so I fired a kit of Tubb's Final Finish through the barrel and it smoothed right out. I used the cheapest, lightest free float tube I could find (on sale) which was DPMS's lightweight (carbon?) fiber 2" tube. After installing the barrel I epoxied it in place. Using my calibrated eye I drilled two holes at BDC and installed a short piccatinny rail designed for 2" tubes to attach a sling swivel and/or bipod when needed. The rail came with a backing threaded plate which sits inside the tube. The total weight is less than the original. I'm using LMT's BUIS, the original front sight base and a Burris Fast Fire shimmed to co-witness with the irons. This is a great blaster rifle which continues to give 100% reliability and zero concerns regarding "shooting out the barrel". Combat rifle matches are fun to run, but I'm considering a muzzle brake because of the light weight. Any M193 ammo feeds and functions flawlessly. Loads that hammer are 20.6 grains of H-4198 with 52/52 grain SMK's. 26.0 grains of WW-748 22.5 to 23.0 grain H-322 I also run Cavalry Arms A1 length stock and actually prefer it to the A2. I'm using the A2 butt plate because it has more grip. A collapseable may be tried in the furture. |
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A few thoughts:
1. Early A1's had a small aperture on the short and long range sights while the later ones had a ghost ring aperture on the short range sight leaf. So in effect, you don't have to deviate from the A1 upper and sight to get it either way. 2. The 1-12 twist barrel delivers excellent accuracy with bullets up to 55 grains. 1-14 was standard for .223 in longer barrells with slightly more velocity. In really cold weater (ie. really dense air) the 1-14 twist gives only marginal stability to a 5 grain FMJ at M193 velocities, so the 1-12 twist was adopted. In short, excellent accuracy from a 1-12 twist barrel with bullets weighing 55 gr or less is not surprising, it is just the norm. faster twist barrels did not come along until bullets larger than 55 grs made an appearance as it simply was not needed. 3. On both my A1 uppers (one with a Colt barrell and the other with a Sako defense barrel) with a 4x Colt scope I have been able to get 1.5 MOA accuracy with 55 grain FMJ handloads and 1.0 MOA with 52 grain Sierras. In short, the A1 does not get the credit it deserves for accuracy. 4. The major accuracy issues with the A1 are: a) the need to have very consistent pressure on the fore end when shooting, especially as the barrel heats up (it will not tolerate much sling pressure before groups start getting wide) and 2) the limitaitons of the sights. Shooting 1 MOA groups with a smaller aperture and finer front post is not a problem. Back in the day when I first started shooting an AR in national matches, I soldered a plate on the rear sight leaf over the existing hole to allow me to drill a smaller aperture and I turned down the front sight pin to produce what amounted to the same sight picture I got with a match grade M14. 5. For general purpoise shooting, I still prefer the A1, it is light, simple, has excellent balance and ergonomics and shoots very well if the shooter does his part. |
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I have a 1973 SP1 with a colt 4x scope and it shoots 1.5 moa 10 shot groups with LC 1984 M193 loads (I have a ton of this ammo that I only saved for this rifle)and is one of my favorite plinkers that I shoot.I remember me and my brother years ago shooting that sucker with open sights and people could not believe the way we could hit beer cans as long as we could see them through the sight and get the post on them we could pop them.All our friends when we were kids used to think that gun was fake and a toy cause it was so light and all the plastic parts on it; till they saw it shoot.
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Molon again another nice, very interesting piece. I keep my older SP-1 Carbine plain jane for the fact that with 55gr BT in my handloads it is old but accurate and super reliable.
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some of us were blessed to obtain BRAND NEW colt A1 barrels awhile back, from bubba guns.
I was amazed at the quality. I mean perfect. T marked flat top-key hole upper, RRA bcg, colt sporter stock, EA lower. all new parts head to toe. everything fit perfect,zero wobble between upper and lower. I never bench rested it, but was shooting amazing groups at 80 or so yards,just resting the rifle thanks a bunch for this write up. |
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I have a 1973 SP1 with a colt 4x scope and it shoots 1.5 moa 10 shot groups with LC 1984 M193 loads In 1964, during testing for report number DPS-1471, the US Military conducted accuracy testing of production M16 rifles (which had the same barrel as the M16A1.) With the rifles secured in a machine rest, three 10-shot groups were fired (hmm . . . where have I heard that before) from 100 yards using M193 ammunition. “The average extreme spread of the groups ranged from 2.6 to 3.6 inches.” |
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I have a 1973 SP1 with a colt 4x scope and it shoots 1.5 moa 10 shot groups with LC 1984 M193 loads In 1964, during testing for report number DPS-1471, the US Military conducted accuracy testing of production M16 rifles (which had the same barrel as the M16A1.) With the rifles secured in a machine rest, three 10-shot groups were fired (hmm . . . where have I heard that before) from 100 yards using M193 ammunition. “The average extreme spread of the groups ranged from 2.6 to 3.6 inches.” I happen to have the orginal Weatherford Colt owners manual for my rifle and it states"Every rifle is fired for group form in a bench rest.Acceptance specs call for 5-shot groups with an extreme spread of less than 3 inches at 100 yards.I can almost swear that all of the ones I have seen will do better than that.Like you stated earlier with serria bullets and handlods most definiately. |
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The excellent accuracy was made possible by using Sierra's 52/53 grain match bullets. I have a nearly identical build. After letting an old A1 barrel sit in the basement corner for over a decade somehow I discovered I had enough extra parts laying around to put it back in to action. The trhoat was rough so I fired a kit of Tubb's Final Finish through the barrel and it smoothed right out. I used the cheapest, lightest free float tube I could find (on sale) which was DPMS's lightweight (carbon?) fiber 2" tube. After installing the barrel I epoxied it in place. Using my calibrated eye I drilled two holes at BDC and installed a short piccatinny rail designed for 2" tubes to attach a sling swivel and/or bipod when needed. The rail came with a backing threaded plate which sits inside the tube. The total weight is less than the original. I'm using LMT's BUIS, the original front sight base and a Burris Fast Fire shimmed to co-witness with the irons. This is a great blaster rifle which continues to give 100% reliability and zero concerns regarding "shooting out the barrel". Combat rifle matches are fun to run, but I'm considering a muzzle brake because of the light weight. Any M193 ammo feeds and functions flawlessly. Loads that hammer are 20.6 grains of H-4198 with 52/52 grain SMK's. 26.0 grains of WW-748 22.5 to 23.0 grain H-322 I also run Cavalry Arms A1 length stock and actually prefer it to the A2. I'm using the A2 butt plate because it has more grip. A collapseable may be tried in the furture. Post some pics of your build! |
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some of us were blessed to obtain BRAND NEW colt A1 barrels awhile back, from bubba guns. "Brand new" as in newly manufactured, or as in older barrels that have never been fired? |
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Molon, does your stock have the trapdoor butt plate? If not, it is an M16 stock also used on early Colt Sporters. The M16A1 stock has the trap door and cleaning kit recess.
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I have a 1973 SP1 with a colt 4x scope and it shoots 1.5 moa 10 shot groups with LC 1984 M193 loads In 1964, during testing for report number DPS-1471, the US Military conducted accuracy testing of production M16 rifles (which had the same barrel as the M16A1.) With the rifles secured in a machine rest, three 10-shot groups were fired (hmm . . . where have I heard that before) from 100 yards using M193 ammunition. “The average extreme spread of the groups ranged from 2.6 to 3.6 inches.” I also found that post a little hard to swallow |
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Molon, does your stock have the trapdoor butt plate? If not, it is an M16 stock also used on early Colt Sporters. The M16A1 stock has the trap door and cleaning kit recess. Hope Molon doesn't mind, but I'll jump in here. That appears to be a Cav Arms A1 stock; modern materials, room for a trapdoor buttplate, and sling swivel that can be turned to the side. Useful and sturdy, some of us aren't smitten with their looks. Moon ETA- Don't let the retro guys hear what you're doing with NOS A1 barrels and uppers....there'll be blood on the tracks. M |
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As regards A1 accuracy, an old target shows six shots into 0.855" at 50 yds.
That's the first range trip for a NOS A1 upper using 55 grain ammo. There was a -8* windchill, and I was so damn cold that I neglected to write down WHAT KIND of 55 grain ammo, but A1s shoot just fine. Moon |
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Anyone know where to buy new 20" A1 barrels with a 1:12 twist?
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I don't know when Colt started dating their barrels but the M4 14.5" 1:7 bbls are dated on the left side behind the handguard endcap.
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Awesome write-up. I always figured these barrels were capable of good accuracy, but never saw any solid figures until now.
I really need to float my A1 clone, but like the triangle handguards too much. |
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53vortec- put a nm free float tube on then the a1 handgurds on top of that
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53vortec- put a nm free float tube on then the a1 handgurds on top of that I've actually kicked that idea around, but wasn't sure how the thin A1 barrel would cope with the reduced ventilation. |
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I've said this before but the SAK barreled 1/12 A1 upper shot very very well with just a 4x scope on it. Like the others said 1.5 MOA. Makes you wonder why to even use a Hbar. I guess when shooting high volumes it would help.
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Molon, does your stock have the trapdoor butt plate? If not, it is an M16 stock also used on early Colt Sporters. The M16A1 stock has the trap door and cleaning kit recess. Hope Molon doesn't mind, but I'll jump in here. That appears to be a Cav Arms A1 stock . . . Correct . . . with the addition of a Colt butt-plate. |
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53vortec- put a nm free float tube on then the a1 handgurds on top of that I've actually kicked that idea around, but wasn't sure how the thin A1 barrel would cope with the reduced ventilation. The extra weight of a NM free-float would kind of defeat the purpose of the light-weight barrel, no? |
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53vortec- put a nm free float tube on then the a1 handgurds on top of that I've actually kicked that idea around, but wasn't sure how the thin A1 barrel would cope with the reduced ventilation. The extra weight of a NM free-float would kind of defeat the purpose of the light-weight barrel, no? That too. I'm a bit torn on this one; I built it as a retro piece for fun, but know I could get more accuracy and reduce issues from tight-sling positions by floating it. Guess I need to find another light barrel. |
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Guess I need to find another light barrel. That's the spirit! |
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Molon, does your stock have the trapdoor butt plate? If not, it is an M16 stock also used on early Colt Sporters. The M16A1 stock has the trap door and cleaning kit recess. Hope Molon doesn't mind, but I'll jump in here. That appears to be a Cav Arms A1 stock . . . Correct . . . with the addition of a Colt butt-plate. The Cav buttplates are REALLY lame, especially compared to the stocks, which are well made and sturdy.. Good move. I wish Cav would get rid of the sling swivel slot; they'd make a great retro A1 buttstock. Moon |
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Molon, does your stock have the trapdoor butt plate? If not, it is an M16 stock also used on early Colt Sporters. The M16A1 stock has the trap door and cleaning kit recess. Hope Molon doesn't mind, but I'll jump in here. That appears to be a Cav Arms A1 stock . . . Correct . . . with the addition of a Colt butt-plate. The Cav buttplates are REALLY lame, especially compared to the stocks, which are well made and sturdy.. Ditto. |
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Trivia: The Colt A1 beavertail handguards, handguard retainer ring, barrel nut, slip ring, spring and snap ring weigh 12.4 ounces. The JP Enterprises handguard weighs 11.6 ounces.
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Molon, does your stock have the trapdoor butt plate? If not, it is an M16 stock also used on early Colt Sporters. The M16A1 stock has the trap door and cleaning kit recess. Hope Molon doesn't mind, but I'll jump in here. That appears to be a Cav Arms A1 stock . . . Correct . . . with the addition of a Colt butt-plate. The Cav buttplates are REALLY lame, especially compared to the stocks, which are well made and sturdy.. Good move. I wish Cav would get rid of the sling swivel slot; they'd make a great retro A1 buttstock. Moon You wouldn't happen to have a source for genuine Colt A1 buttstocks in good condition, would you? |
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Molon, does your stock have the trapdoor butt plate? If not, it is an M16 stock also used on early Colt Sporters. The M16A1 stock has the trap door and cleaning kit recess. Hope Molon doesn't mind, but I'll jump in here. That appears to be a Cav Arms A1 stock . . . Correct . . . with the addition of a Colt butt-plate. The Cav buttplates are REALLY lame, especially compared to the stocks, which are well made and sturdy.. Good move. I wish Cav would get rid of the sling swivel slot; they'd make a great retro A1 buttstock. Moon You wouldn't happen to have a source for genuine Colt A1 buttstocks in good condition, would you? I'm still looking for a source for a genuine Colt A1 buttstock in good condition if anyone knows of one. |
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I would guess that is the same Al Miller who still occasionally writes for Rifle and Handloader magazines.
I have always enjoyed his work. Thank you for your post. I am consistently amazed at how accurate a "rank and file" AR-15 can be. |
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