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Posted: 2/28/2004 7:05:33 PM EST
I'll be buying a new rifle, and I'd like to get a Colt. Before anyone chimes in about their favorite brand, I'll say that I've researched the issue to my satisfaction save a few reservations relating to compatibility.

I asked some people on chat, but no one knows the anser. I may not use the jargon appropriately, so forgive me gurus.

I want to buy a new post-ban AR with the confidence that the AW ban will expire.

I tend towards a Colt, but don't want it if Colt continues to make weapons in non-standard sizes.

Does anyone know if the CURRENT Colt M4's will fit:

1) all "standard uppers" in size (before you recommend biggerhammer.net, I've read it)

2) all "fire control parts" from all other manufacturers?

Does Colt still use "Colt" sizes?

Does it really matter if the fire control pins are different sizes?

D
Link Posted: 2/28/2004 7:55:37 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/29/2004 7:28:18 AM EST by CJan_NH]
Welcome! I have a Colt MT6400C M4 carbine and LOVE it. It is the closest to a "real" M4 that a civilian can buy. -It has a standard pushpin lower that will accept a standard upper from any manufacturer. Here's a pic of mine: [img]http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/front_pin.JPG[/img] The only thing different about a Colt (aside from superior QC [;)]) is the .170" hammer and trigger pins. This is a [b]non-issue[/b] because every aftermarket trigger vendor with the exception of Knight's makes a trigger for Colts. Here is my "standard" answer when someone asks about the MT6400C: The Colt 6400c has an M4 marked upper and lower: [img]http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/M4_Lower_small.JPG[/img] [img]http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/Upper.JPG[/img] Heavy duty "H" buffer and heavy duty extractor spring for reliability: [img]http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/Buffer.JPG[/img] [img]http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/Extractor.JPG[/img] Barrel has proper 1/7ROT, chamber and barrel are chrome lined: [img]http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/Cmp.JPG[/img] Upper is RAS numbered: [img]http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/Ras.JPG[/img] Side sling mount: [img]http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/Sling.JPG[/img] Standard pushpin lower and no protruding searblock: [img]http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/front_pin.JPG[/img] Proper M4 handguards with dual heatshields: [img]http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/M4_handguards.JPG[/img] Proper M4 entended feedramps: [img]http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/Ramps.JPG[/img] [b]Lifetime service agreement:[/b] [img]http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/Service1.JPG[/img] Good luck with your new Colt. At the moment I have four Colts and two Rock Rivers. Of the group the M4 is my current favorite [:)] Edited to add: Here is a recent pic of my 6400C: [img]http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/M4_Full1.JPG[/img] Like you, I'm greatly looking forward to the sunset. Most of all I can't wait to have my Magpul stock converted back to a retractable unit like it was intended. At the moment my Magpul is locked to be postban compliant [:(] Edited to add again: The 1/7ROT barrel will allow you to employ the most effective defensive ammunition. Heavier rounds like the 75gr TAP pictured here are [b]not[/b] recommended for 1/9ROT barrels: [img]http://home.comcast.net/~cjan99999/M4_tap.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 2/28/2004 8:20:25 PM EST
Sir, thank-you for your response and the time it tooke to make it. If anyone else would like to add his or her opinion, then I encourage. Does anyone know firsthand why Colt makes the hammer and trigger pins the way Colt does? I wonder.
Link Posted: 2/28/2004 10:38:13 PM EST
[Last Edit: 2/28/2004 10:40:10 PM EST by CJan_NH]
Originally Posted By DavidDavid: Does anyone know firsthand why Colt makes the hammer and trigger pins the way Colt does? I wonder.
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Colt uses large pins because in order to keep their defense contract their civilian weapons must not be "readily convertible" into fullauto machine guns. This is spelled out very clearly in their contract.
Link Posted: 2/29/2004 4:12:13 AM EST
Ya, what he said. Love my Colt. And Welcome to the Board.
Link Posted: 2/29/2004 4:34:28 AM EST
CJan is correct the push pins are standard fire controls are not and not an issue to me.
Link Posted: 2/29/2004 5:19:08 AM EST
Same topic, different day [;)] [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=12&t=182483&page=1[/url]
Link Posted: 2/29/2004 6:22:50 AM EST
I love CJan_NH's "Anti-Pin Commando" post. It stops them in their tracks every time.
Link Posted: 2/29/2004 9:56:54 AM EST
Hey CJan, great pics! Your Colt looks bad ass in it's current configuration! I've only owned 1/9 Ar's, and I know that the 1/7 is for the heavier bullets, but how will a 1/7 stabilize a lighter round, like a 55gr?
Link Posted: 2/29/2004 10:09:45 AM EST
That confection on the end of the 6400C barrel, is that really a comp, or is it a brake? I mean, does it DO anything, besides make the barrel legal length?
Link Posted: 2/29/2004 10:49:03 AM EST
Originally Posted By DavidDavid: Sir, thank-you for your response and the time it tooke to make it. If anyone else would like to add his or her opinion, then I encourage. Does anyone know firsthand why Colt makes the hammer and trigger pins the way Colt does? I wonder.
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The truth is that it took him all of 3 minutes to make that. He has it saved on his PC, so all he has to do is cut and paste. I love it.[:D]
Link Posted: 2/29/2004 10:53:20 AM EST
Originally Posted By dep4532: how will a 1/7 stabilize a lighter round, like a 55gr?
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Fine. [url]http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=3&f=12&t=182487&w=searchPop[/url]
Link Posted: 2/29/2004 11:08:37 AM EST
Got it, thanks!
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 4:29:55 PM EST
Are the fire control pins on Colt's Law Enforcement weapons also non-standard, or are they the same as what would be found on a Bushmaster?

Are the LE rifles different than the military weapons in this respect?
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 4:37:13 PM EST
I have a Colt and love it. I also have ........................and love it.
Link Posted: 8/25/2004 5:46:05 PM EST
I just bought a 6400C and love it. Workmanship seems very good. Time will tell on the rest, but I don't forsee a problem. As far as compatibility, I wouldn't worry about it. Why buy a second upper for it...just buy a second lower, and have two ARs....
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:32:46 PM EST

Originally Posted By DavidDavid:
Are the fire control pins on Colt's Law Enforcement weapons also non-standard, or are they the same as what would be found on a Bushmaster?

Are the LE rifles different than the military weapons in this respect?



The FCG pins are large on the LEO rifles I have seen.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:50:00 PM EST

Originally Posted By bsbg:

Originally Posted By DavidDavid:
Are the fire control pins on Colt's Law Enforcement weapons also non-standard, or are they the same as what would be found on a Bushmaster?

Are the LE rifles different than the military weapons in this respect?



The FCG pins are large on the LEO rifles I have seen.



Are the FCG pins on Bushmasters large also?

Is large the standard for non-Colt weapons like Bushmaster?
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 1:53:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By DavidDavid:
Are the FCG pins on Bushmasters large also?

Is large the standard for non-Colt weapons like Bushmaster?



No - only Colt uses the large FCG pins. I don't see it as an issue as I keep one spare set on hand and have never taken it out of the wrapper.
Link Posted: 8/26/2004 2:28:57 PM EST
Thanks man.
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