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Posted: 9/17/2004 7:26:08 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 5:19:03 PM EST by AlanC556]
I recently came across a New In Box colt sp1 Serial Number 5, The rifle is has all the original paper work and box from Colt along with strap and cleaning kit and mags and even the orginal reciept dated in 1966, It appears the original owner was part of colt managment and he purchased the rifle for himself, and never used it. The rifle itself is flawless and looks like it was made yesterday. How much is this rifle worth and how much could I expect to get if selling it?


thanks



Link Posted: 9/17/2004 8:02:04 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2004 8:04:26 AM EST by timeless]
Pre bans arnt worth shit, that sounds OLD! I'll give ya $500Then I would put a ARMS SIR and two flashlights in case one went out. Also, A laser and vertical grip.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 8:14:09 AM EST
That would be the opinion of a qualified auction house... not really for 80% of arfcom members to really know...

I'm sure that you'll find some knowledgable people ... just wait.

-Jason
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 9:42:10 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2004 9:54:33 AM EST by Colt-653]
Around $5000-7500+.

New in Box Colt Sp1 prices:

1964-1966 $3000-7000+ depending on year built, box condition and supporting documents if it was owned by Colt employees.

1967-1972 $1850-3200

1973-1983 $1500-2000

Sp1 carbines new in Box run $1800+

Colt is not making post AWB rifles for the public and will never make Sp1 style rifles again(the tooling was sold off in 1991)....so you're dealing with items that are now collector firearms.


Used SP1's made after 1972 will likely stay in the $750-1000 range.....expect to pay a couple $100 more for pre 1972 rifles. There are more and more people collecting pre 1972 Sp1's lately.

Link Posted: 9/17/2004 10:20:32 AM EST
It's probably still banned in CT.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 10:23:38 AM EST

Originally Posted By timeless:
Pre bans arnt worth shit, that sounds OLD! I'll give ya $500




Less than that. Oversize screw up front (not even pivot pin), 1:12 barrel. No deflector, No FA. Yuk.

I really, really do not understand why someone wants yesterdays technology today, and is willing to pay more.

I have some classic 286 computers if anyone wants to pay $3000 for them....
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 10:48:05 AM EST

Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By timeless:
Pre bans arnt worth shit, that sounds OLD! I'll give ya $500




Less than that. Oversize screw up front (not even pivot pin), 1:12 barrel. No deflector, No FA. Yuk.

I really, really do not understand why someone wants yesterdays technology today, and is willing to pay more.

I have some classic 286 computers if anyone wants to pay $3000 for them....



Yeah, who wants "yesterday's technology". All them M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, M1911A1s, etc should be melted down and the steel used for some more modern. Then we can move on to the old muscle cars like Camaros, Mustangs, Hemi Chargers, etc. Hell, while we're at it, why don't we just raze all the Smithsonian buildings and put some usefull office towers in there, too?
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 11:08:01 AM EST

Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

I have some classic 286 computers if anyone wants to pay $3000 for them....



PAYMENT SENT

S
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 12:48:46 PM EST
IM sent.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 2:01:50 PM EST
I would guess you are getting stacks of PMs sent to you right about now......
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 2:34:34 PM EST
Ya think?
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 2:39:27 PM EST
I put in the first offer!
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 3:07:00 PM EST
I would LUV to own that baby!!!


____________________________________
The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you are already dead. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you will be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function, without mercy, without compassion, without remorse.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 3:12:27 PM EST
It's good to see that there are some people who are putting out some realalistic numbers your way. A few months ago, I asked a similar question and got a bunch of bull shit from people...I have a brand new 1967 SP1 never used...aside from test fire...and paid 1650...as far as I'm conserned...I got a deal.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 3:29:09 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2004 3:35:06 PM EST by RenegadeX]

Originally Posted By Boomer:

Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By timeless:
Pre bans arnt worth shit, that sounds OLD! I'll give ya $500




Less than that. Oversize screw up front (not even pivot pin), 1:12 barrel. No deflector, No FA. Yuk.

I really, really do not understand why someone wants yesterdays technology today, and is willing to pay more.

I have some classic 286 computers if anyone wants to pay $3000 for them....



Yeah, who wants "yesterday's technology". All them M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, M1911A1s, etc should be melted down and the steel used for some more modern. Then we can move on to the old muscle cars like Camaros, Mustangs, Hemi Chargers, etc. Hell, while we're at it, why don't we just raze all the Smithsonian buildings and put some usefull office towers in there, too?



The key phrase was "AND IS WILLING TO PAY MORE". [EDIT ADD] M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, M1911A1s, were all actually used military weapons. SP1 was not. I agree, if SP1 actually saw combat use it would be worth a lot. But it is NOT even a semi-auto version of the M16 that was actually used in military. It is a bastardized version. A Bushmaster more closely resembles what troops really use.

BTW, I still have one 286 left, and just found a bunch of 8088s.... Paypal preferred.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 6:36:28 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/18/2004 7:30:42 AM EST by AlanC556]
I forgot to add that
it is marked AR-15

and the original price was also $140 and change


edited to remove A2 as it was a mistaken
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 6:41:43 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/17/2004 6:42:07 PM EST by ark-and-spark]

Originally Posted By AlanC556:
A2


Link Posted: 9/17/2004 7:05:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By AlanC556:
I forgot to add that
it is marked AR-15 A2

and the original price was also $140 and change



An SP1 marked AR15 A2 made in 1966? What is this some kind of joke?
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 8:18:03 PM EST

Originally Posted By AlanC556:
I forgot to add that
it is marked AR-15 A2

and the original price was also $140 and change



Well then, at some point in your story, you are full of shit.


____________________________________
The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you are already dead. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you will be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function, without mercy, without compassion, without remorse.
Link Posted: 9/17/2004 8:44:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By Boomer:

Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By timeless:
Pre bans arnt worth shit, that sounds OLD! I'll give ya $500




Less than that. Oversize screw up front (not even pivot pin), 1:12 barrel. No deflector, No FA. Yuk.

I really, really do not understand why someone wants yesterdays technology today, and is willing to pay more.

I have some classic 286 computers if anyone wants to pay $3000 for them....



Yeah, who wants "yesterday's technology". All them M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, M1911A1s, etc should be melted down and the steel used for some more modern. Then we can move on to the old muscle cars like Camaros, Mustangs, Hemi Chargers, etc. Hell, while we're at it, why don't we just raze all the Smithsonian buildings and put some usefull office towers in there, too?



The key phrase was "AND IS WILLING TO PAY MORE". [EDIT ADD] M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, M1911A1s, were all actually used military weapons. SP1 was not. I agree, if SP1 actually saw combat use it would be worth a lot. But it is NOT even a semi-auto version of the M16 that was actually used in military. It is a bastardized version. A Bushmaster more closely resembles what troops really use.

BTW, I still have one 286 left, and just found a bunch of 8088s.... Paypal preferred.



You have no guarantee that any given M1Garand, M1 Carbine, or M1911A1 was ever actually used in combat. The point is that a Colt SP-1 with a single digit SN IS a collectable and as such has more value than run of the mill NIB AR, regardless of whether or not you personally agree. If for whatever reason you are unable to understand that, I guess that's just too bad.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 3:32:14 PM EST
Alan, please e-mail me John I have some info for you.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 3:40:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Colt-653:
Around $5000-7500+.

New in Box Colt Sp1 prices:

1967-1972 $1850-3200

1973-1983 $1500-2000

Sp1 carbines new in Box run $1800+





Oh jeez..... maybe before the ban. Yes, I know the BS about Colt not making these again...yada yada... but even during the ban I bought an EXCELLENT 1971 SP1 for $900, and there were TONS sold in the $1100-1200 range.

This being serial number 5... I am sure it is worth a LOT more to a collector... but your general prices are BOGUS.... IMHO.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 3:44:44 PM EST

Originally Posted By AlanC556:
I recently came across a New In Box colt sp1 Serial Number 5, The rifle is has all the original paper work and box from Colt along with strap and cleaning kit and mags and even the orginal reciept dated in 1966, It appears the original owner was part of colt managment and he purchased the rifle for himself, and never used it. The rifle itself is flawless and looks like it was made yesterday. How much is this rifle worth and how much could I expect to get if selling it?


thanks






So did you buy it? It sounds like a real find. Are you able to post any pics? If you don't mind me asking, what did it set you back?
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 4:02:05 PM EST

Originally Posted By Boomer: The point is that a Colt SP-1 with a single digit SN IS a collectable and as such has more value than run of the mill NIB AR, regardless of whether or not you personally agree. If for whatever reason you are unable to understand that, I guess that's just too bad.


Oh I know, I funded a Colt M16 selling off my useless SP1s and other pre-ban stuff at 4-5x what they were worth. Already sold several 286 computers too. I love collectors....
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 4:41:59 PM EST

Originally Posted By Boomer:
The point is that a Colt SP-1 with a single digit SN IS a collectable and as such has more value than run of the mill NIB AR, regardless of whether or not you personally agree. If for whatever reason you are unable to understand that, I guess that's just too bad.



You see... BOOMER is the one who decides what has value and what doesn't. Whether or not you personally agree with that...... is of little value. He is always right, and has the final word. Your feeble opinion is worthless. If for whatever reason you are unable to understand that, I guess that's just too bad.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 5:01:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By RenegadeX:

Originally Posted By timeless:
Pre bans arnt worth shit, that sounds OLD! I'll give ya $500




Less than that. Oversize screw up front (not even pivot pin), 1:12 barrel. No deflector, No FA. Yuk.

I really, really do not understand why someone wants yesterdays technology today, and is willing to pay more.

I have some classic 286 computers if anyone wants to pay $3000 for them....



Some guns do have collector status... I doubt an original Stg.44 would sell for a hundred bucks because it's used & old technology.
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 5:53:51 PM EST
First flag that went up is: "I recently came across a New In Box colt sp1 Serial Number 5, The rifle is has all the original paper work and box from Colt along with strap and cleaning kit and mags and even the orginal reciept dated in 1966,".

dude, the first SP1's for sale were 1964, not some fuckin' reciept dated 1966 as you stated.

second: Colt-653 is stroking you. He is quoting NFA firearms, not colltectable Colts. IE. he doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about.

third: The damn AWB is history!

fourth: An original SP1, unfired is worth about 1.5k, at most. Which is an unmolested SP1 Coltguard. Do you even know what that is?

As for all you other motherfuckers, charging 25 dollars, still, for a NIW AR mag, have you got a fucking clue the AWB is dead?

Link Posted: 9/19/2004 6:02:51 PM EST
Hey man.... why you so angry?


Link Posted: 9/19/2004 7:11:04 PM EST
coltcarbine


Do you think that it is possible this gun sat on a dealers shelf for 2 years before selling??? When the AR-15 became avalible for civilian sale, it was not a popular gun, I amagine this being in part to to the fact, people interested in this weapon were also able to by it's ful auto conterpart NIB.. So it is very likely that SP1 #5 sat for years before selling...

I would say that do to a low serial numer the rifle would be worth no more than $2000 to a collector..
Link Posted: 9/19/2004 7:11:46 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2004 7:13:51 PM EST by Colt-653]
Well seeing as how I collect Colt Sp1 rifles and Carbines I think I know a little more about their retail value than you do.

I'm not listing NFA items I'm listing new in the factory box with factory accessories Colt SP1 semi auto rifles and carbines.

If Colt 6520,6721, and 6920's are selling for $1000+ why would a 30+ year old Colt that is new in the box suddenly be worth $800-900? I can understand used Colt Sp1's in the $650-800 range but not a new in the box unit.

And Colt Factory M16's start at $10-12.5K....wish I could find some in the $3-5K range as I'd buy every single one of them at that price

It is very possible someone bought a 1964-1968 rifle new off the shelf anytime from when it was made till well into the 1970's. The Colt Sp1 were not large sellers till the mid 1970's so it could have sat at the shop for several years.

Good luck finding a new in the Box ColtGuard rifle for under $2500
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 3:53:07 AM EST

Originally Posted By AlanC556:
I recently came across a New In Box colt sp1 Serial Number 5, The rifle is has all the original paper work and box from Colt along with strap and cleaning kit and mags and even the orginal reciept dated in 1966, It appears the original owner was part of colt managment and he purchased the rifle for himself, and never used it. The rifle itself is flawless and looks like it was made yesterday. How much is this rifle worth and how much could I expect to get if selling it?


thanks



i'll give you $2,000 cash plus shipping, send Email to confirm !! thank you !!
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 3:54:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By AlanC556:
I recently came across a New In Box colt sp1 Serial Number 5, The rifle is has all the original paper work and box from Colt along with strap and cleaning kit and mags and even the orginal reciept dated in 1966, It appears the original owner was part of colt managment and he purchased the rifle for himself, and never used it. The rifle itself is flawless and looks like it was made yesterday. How much is this rifle worth and how much could I expect to get if selling it?


thanks



i'll give you $2,000 cash plus shipping, send Email to confirm !! thank you !!
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 4:08:43 PM EST
Wow just what I expected alot of people had a alot of wacky opinions on the value of this Colt .
The truth is I am the owner of Colt SP1 00005. I asked Alan to find what the buzz would be about a low number gun from Colt. I bought this gun from the family of a fomer well known and respected Colt technical respesentive during the Vietnam war . D. A. Behrendt , His photo can be found on page 89 of the book Small Arms of the World. The gun is a 20 inch A1 with the box and paperwork of the employee purchase. The receipt from the Colt Factory was dated 1966 .
A major manufacturer like Colt could make ,sell ,hold on to serial #'s for years this was taken into his possession in 1966 according to the factory paperwork inside the box. I am the second owner of this gun since it was made. I am selling it and I know this should be the EE but what can I say this post orignated here. If their is anyone out there that can repect the collector value of this rifle please e-mail me . Thank you. John
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 4:45:30 PM EST
Wow this thread turned ugly fast, if your not able to offer respectful advice don't post here!

I never claimed to be an expert on the rifle and thats why I wanted advice on it and other aspects associated with it.

However, I don't expect to be called a liar or insulted over the content of my posts!

Link Posted: 9/20/2004 5:40:50 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2004 8:34:20 PM EST by ColtShorty]
As the proud owner of a mint 1965 SP1, I have a question. How much are you wanting to get for your 1963??

How about posting some nice close up pics.

____________________________________
The only hope you have is to accept the fact that you are already dead. And the sooner you accept that, the sooner you will be able to function as a soldier is supposed to function, without mercy, without compassion, without remorse.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 6:07:44 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/23/2004 5:48:24 AM EST by GoodGuy]
I'm certainly no expert, but here goes....

From my sources, it's my understanding that the first 23 SP1's were actually manufactured in 1963 but not issued for distribution to the general public. Colt kept those rifles and gave (sold?) them to executives, board members, etc. Manufacture of AR15s for sale to the general public began in 1964 with serial numbers beginning #101. Apparently serial numbers 24 through 99 were not used. It's certainly possible that a 1963 manufactured rifle might not have been "sold" until after 1963.

A 1963 rifle would not be marked with an "A2" designation. If this rifle is so marked, it's probably some sort of fabrication.

I think Colt might have also cataloged some early rifles under the moniker "Comanche" but was forced to alter the name because of copyright or trademark issues. I don't know whether Colt ever manufactured any rifles with the "Comanche" name roll marked into the receiver.

Again, I'm not an expert. I'm just trying to remember what I've learned in the past about the history of the commercial AR15.

If it is a genuine 1963 production rifle with corroborating paperwork, it would certainly be worth a substantial premium over standard NIB SP1 market prices. I'd certainly offer $2,500 for it and maybe a wee bit more if I decided I wanted it badly enough.

As an aside.... a rifle is worth whatever a buyer is willing to pay for it. If someone is willing to pay $3,000 for a rifle he or she wants and/or considers collectible, that's his or her decision to make. That amount is what the rifle is worth to him or her. I certainly think it's fair to throw out our opinions as to what a reasonable value might be, BUT I don't think it's fair to judge someone's intelligence on what he or she is willing to pay for a rifle or car or anything else. I often wonder when I see a poster dismissing a buying decision or valuation judgment as "stupid" or "way too high," whether that poster is displaying a "sour grapes" attitude rather than a genuine and well thought out opinion.
Link Posted: 9/20/2004 7:42:10 PM EST
Personally, I'd love to own that gun. I'm still awaiting a response from my reply email to AlanC556. If the price is right, I might take it.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 7:27:21 AM EST
Anyone that want's a 1966 NIB Colt SP1 I have one listed in the EE.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 8:02:20 AM EST
Three words for this....auction, auction, auction.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 8:29:06 AM EST
can we got some nice high-rez pictures of the rifle. i just want to see that single digit #...ya know, for posterity
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 10:04:53 AM EST
pics will come!!!

Link Posted: 9/21/2004 2:43:27 PM EST
That certainly looks very nice. I'm shocked you aren't keeping it.
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 2:43:58 PM EST
You think thats something???? I only pull this one outa the safe when Colt-653 begs me.

Link Posted: 9/21/2004 2:55:04 PM EST
Is that the original finish on the B/C?

Can't tell for sure, but is that an M16 carrier?
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 2:55:10 PM EST
FALARAK ................... YOU SHOULD APPY AT ADOBE I THINK THEY ARE HIRING .
I GOTTA GIVE YOU CREDIT THATS FAST ...........
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 2:56:49 PM EST
LINE OF THE P IN SP1 ? FALARAK
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:07:26 PM EST

Originally Posted By Colt-653:
Well seeing as how I collect Colt Sp1 rifles and Carbines I think I know a little more about their retail value than you do.



You make some valid points and you seem to know your stuff on Colts, but let's just see how the market plays out. I notice that you have some guns for sale in the EE...that just happen to reflect your opinion on the prices you gave...www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=21&t=226277 Interesting...
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:11:40 PM EST

Originally Posted By FALARAK:
You think thats something???? I only pull this one outa the safe when Colt-653 begs me.

www.kevinholman.com/host/label.gif



That is incredible how SN# 5 and 1 have the same exact box...creases and all...
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:13:05 PM EST
Link Posted: 9/21/2004 3:13:52 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/21/2004 3:25:09 PM EST by GoodGuy]
I like it. I want one.

Any chance of seeing a photo of the buffer and firing pin retaining pin?
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