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That's a nice looking rifle. What era of equipment are you looking for? What are the markings on your barrel?
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Ralph, Thanks. I'm particularly looking for mid 80's gear that would have been used by Guardsman and Reservists, so figure typically late 60s to early 80s for production dates (we never had the new stuff). Items similar to what I was issued, or could have been issued (like the bayonet or the cotten match sling). I figured I'd start with the rifle, and maybe move onto TA-50 gear later. The barrel markings: http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb277/mdar15manager/Retro%20Project/IMG_4606.jpg http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb277/mdar15manager/Retro%20Project/IMG_4602.jpg Also note in the above photo, the sling swivel is attached via a roll pin instead of the later rivet. Thanks for that info Forest. Just one more question if I may, does the FSB have the drain hole and is the forge flash removed? The reason I ask is that I may have need of such a barrel. As to equipment I would get a belt, and suspenders to go along with the rifle. Maybe add a buttpack, etc. Late '70s/'80 stuff is not too hard to come by and relatively inexpensive. regards, Ralph |
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shiny forearms. Leather Luster? Actually they came that way. I bought the upper from someone here (he had a listing in the EE) all I asked was to be sure the forearms were in good condition with no breaks. That was the upper I received. |
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Chu Hoi bags? Death cards? 1911? As noted I have the Chu Hoi bags. 1911? Is that some fancy kind of rifle grenade? (in my unit the Aviators and Crew Chiefs were issued .38 revolvers). |
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I was thinking since I built my 'A1 I would like to start collecting the US Army accesories that were used with those rifles. What I have currently:
http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb277/mdar15manager/Retro%20Project/IMG_2125.jpg I know I'll need the proper aluminum bi-pod (only used them in Basic, but hey it's an accessory), I'd also like to find a buttstock pouch for the cleaning kit, as well as a throat erosion gauge. I have several of the M16A1 manuals in PDF format (-10, comic book, and -12&P), I'll look for the A1 variants in printed form. Anything else I'm missing? (if you have something please post a pic!). I have a more important question to ask you. What was your MOS? I see you were in aviation. |
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I just thought of one I missed in my list: a Blank Firing Adapter. Who could forget the carbon fouling they caused?
Hmm I wonder if a MILES box for the M16 would be available (even if the electronics were broken)? Are these still being used? |
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What was your MOS? . 93P Cool, I was a 68N avionics technician |
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There was a set of camouflage slip over fabric covers for the stock & HGs in the EE just recently, if that falls into your category.
I do not know who was selling them, but do remember m1sniper posted in the ad. you could search m1sniper's reply topics in the EE to find them if you were interested. |
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There was a set of camouflage slip over fabric covers for the stock & HGs in the EE just recently, if that falls into your category. Military issue? I've seen civilian made covers (before the painting/refinishing craze got going), but I've not heard of USGI covers. |
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There was a set of camouflage slip over fabric covers for the stock & HGs in the EE just recently, if that falls into your category. Military issue? I've seen civilian made covers (before the painting/refinishing craze got going), but I've not heard of USGI covers. They were early duckhunter pattern. Pretty nice really. Probably vintage civilian item. |
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Just one more question if I may, does the FSB have the drain hole and is the forge flash removed? The reason I ask is that I may have need of such a barrel. I'm not sure about the drain hole I'll have to check for you when I get home tonight. As for the other question, does this photo help? http://i207.photobucket.com/albums/bb277/mdar15manager/Retro%20Project/IMG_4605.jpg As to equipment I would get a belt, and suspenders to go along with the rifle.
Packed away somewhere I should have a set of Y suspenders and a belt (not sure the belt fits at the moment...) Maybe add a buttpack, etc. Late '70s/'80 stuff is not too hard to come by and relatively inexpensive.
I have a canvas USGI buttpack (1950s ish IIRC) I've used since I was a young Boy Scout (and as my shaving kit when I went to Boy Scout camp this summer as a leader). I'll have to see if I can find a nylon one. Yeah I figured it wouldn't be too bad cost wise yet. I just want to make sure I have a good shopping list, or didn't miss anything (I remember the years my father spent looking for a proper set of grenade sights for his Garand collection). Thanks! Forest, The drain hole is just under the front sight and the forge flash would be on the front and rear edges of the FSB. If the FSB is smooth in those areas it has had the flash removed. You could use the canvas butt pack I would think as the reserves never got anything new regards, Ralph |
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The drain hole is just under the front sight and the forge flash would be on the front and rear edges of the FSB. I know where it is, but my rifle is at home and I'm waiting on a compile here at work. I'll check it when I get home. You could use the canvas butt pack I would think as the reserves never got anything new regards, Ralph Heck I never saw a butt pack, my LBE had two 3x30 round magazine pouches for my 4 magazines. - ponchos were attached to the back of the LBE. Another thought: were the Colt scopes ever issued? Or was that something they sold to the civilian & LE markets that the never had interest from the .mil? |
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The drain hole is just under the front sight and the forge flash would be on the front and rear edges of the FSB. I know where it is, but my rifle is at home and I'm waiting on a compile here at work. I'll check it when I get home. You could use the canvas butt pack I would think as the reserves never got anything new regards, Ralph Heck I never saw a butt pack, my LBE had two 3x30 round magazine pouches for my 4 magazines. - ponchos were attached to the back of the LBE. Another thought: were the Colt scopes ever issued? Or was that something they sold to the civilian & LE markets that the never had interest from the .mil? Oops, there I go assuming again. I should have guessed that you would know that I have to admit that I'm not up on my optics as much as I should be. But why not? If you run across one, I'd say go for it! How about a helmet? regards, Ralph |
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.How about a helmet? . Sure once I start on the TA-50. I'll need a steel pot, liner, and woodland cover. |
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.How about a helmet? . Sure once I start on the TA-50. I'll need a steel pot, liner, and woodland cover. You can get the butt stock cleaning kit pouches here pouch and you can get the rods here or use your own cleaning rod and brush. regards, Ralph |
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.How about a helmet? . Sure once I start on the TA-50. I'll need a steel pot, liner, and woodland cover. You can get the butt stock cleaning kit pouches here pouch and you can get the rods here or use your own cleaning rod and brush. regards, Ralph Excellent! Thanks you, not only do they have the cleaning kit pouch, but the bipod pouch as well. Hmm a vehicle rifle rack for the M16, might have to pick up one of those as well. |
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.How about a helmet? . Sure once I start on the TA-50. I'll need a steel pot, liner, and woodland cover. You can get the butt stock cleaning kit pouches here pouch and you can get the rods here or use your own cleaning rod and brush. regards, Ralph Excellent! Thanks you, not only do they have the cleaning kit pouch, but the bipod pouch as well. Hmm a vehicle rifle rack for the M16, might have to pick up one of those as well. Forest, No problem. Don't forget the muzzle dust cover regards, Ralph |
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If you want to get technical, the authorized items according to the 1990 version of the Army's M16/M16A1 TM are:
Components of end item: 1 each: - MAGAZINE, CARTRIDGE: 30 round (1005-00-921-5004) - SLING, SMALL ARMS (1005-00-167-4336) CTA Authorized items: 1 each: - BAG, PROTECTIVE: for 30 round magazine (500 per bx) required 1 per magazine (1005-00-193-8306) - BLANK FIRING ATTACHMENT, M15A2: (For training only) (1005-00-118-6192) - BRUSH, CLEANING, SMALL ARMS: bore (1005-00-903-1296) - BRUSH, CLEANING, SMALL ARMS: chamber (1005-00-999-1435) - BRUSH, CLEANING, SMALL ARMS: tooth (1005-00-494-6602) - CAP, PROTECTIVE, DUST (5340-00-880-7666) - CARTRIDGE CASE DEFLECTOR ASSEMBLY (1005-01-171-4778) - CASE, MAINTENANCE EQUIPMENT: for rifles without buttstock stowage (8465-00-781-9564) or CASE, SMALL ARMS: for rifles with buttstock stowage (1005-00-403-5804) - HANDLE SECTION, CLEANING ROD, SMALL ARMS (1005-01-113-0321) - KIT, ADAPTER SLING (1005-00 -406-1570) - PLATE, LOCKING: for riot control use, prevents selector from automatic fire (1005-00-233-9031) - SWAB HOLDER SECTION, CLEANING ROD, SMALL ARMS (1005-00-937-2250) 3 each: - ROD SECTION, CLEANING ROD, SMALL ARMS (1005-00-050-6357) 6 each: - MAGAZINE, CARTRIDGE: 30 round (1005-00-921-5004) MTOE authorized items: 1 each: - BAYONET - KNIFE M7 W/SCABBARD (1005-00-017-9701) - BIPOD, RIFLE M3 W/CARRYING CASE (1005-00-890-2609) - TOP SLING ADAPTER KIT (1005-00-406-1570) |
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Any new sources for M1954 20 ROUND mag pouches in canvas with Suspender strap still attached in VGC ??? (Have one thats "Like New"/Unissued original) need a second (For my early nam Rig .
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I was busy painting upstairs last night ( didn't finish till after midnight) so I didn't get to check the barrel, hopefully tonight.
Thanks for the ideas, and the list of items! I have a couple of muzzle covers, I use (red & black) but my A1 is missing one, I'll add it to the list. I really like the idea of the 'riot - selector stop'. I'll have to keep my eyes out. Definately a National Guard kinda item. As for the 'Army Gear' suggestions, thanks! Anglehead flashlight - got that (don't use it much because the output sucks compared to my LED lights & my Surefires, but again I've had since I was a scout. Decon Kit - I actually have one of those. I used to keep first aid stuff in it, now it sits empty on a shelf somewhere. |
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Any new sources for M1954 20 ROUND mag pouches in canvas with Suspender strap still attached in VGC ??? (Have one thats "Like New"/Unissued original) need a second (For my early nam Rig . People that know these are the harder to find ones charge $50 a pop for these in new condition. Most were either made too small or have shrunk and can't close with mags in them. Your best bet is to check eBay, surplus stores, and gun shows. Dustin |
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Bump because I added a 'shopping list' in the first post for anyone else with a similar interest.
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- NVD that mounts on Carry Handle (anyone know the NSN for this or the M number?)??? Night vision equipment is designated in a joint service nomenclature system, not the US Army's nomenclature system. Both the AN/PVS-2 and AN/PVS-4 night visions scopes are applicable to the M16 series. I'm not sure when the latter entered service and whether it was ever found on the M16A1. |
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Shows a soldier (pre 80s) with an M16A1 and AN/PVS-2 (big mo-fo!) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:M16A1_PVS-2.JPEG So it seems they were used together at some point. |
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Yes, there's no doubt about the use of the AN/PVS-2 on the M16A1, I was saying that I was unsure whether the AN/PVS-4 was used on the M16A1.
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Yes, there's no doubt about the use of the AN/PVS-2 on the M16A1, I was saying that I was unsure whether the AN/PVS-4 was used on the M16A1. Ok got it now. I sure don't know I found this one site www.vietnamgear.com that has some good pics & info. There is a photo of a soldier using the Colt Scope http://www.vietnamgear.com/fullphoto.aspx?img=M16_scope.jpg with this caption: A member of Company C, 2nd Battalion, 35th Infantry, 25th Infantry Division takes aim with a scope attached to handle of his M16A1 rifle.
So was it issued, or was that just a test of some kind (or perhaps a private purchase)? Was it 3x or 4X? How about a canvas rifle bag? Were they used or issued? Perhaps for paratroopers? List updated with variations of the Bipod Bag & Magazine Pouches, and other gear. I'll have to go back to my copy of The Black Rifle to see if I can learn more. |
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Ok I just finished painting my hallway, so I went down to check the FSB on my rifle. It's got the drain hole and you can see the forge 'flash'. It looks like it was ground relatively smooth, but it's still very obvious.
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Ok I just finished painting my hallway, so I went down to check the FSB on my rifle. It's got the drain hole and you can see the forge 'flash'. It looks like it was ground relatively smooth, but it's still very obvious. Interesting. Thanks for taking the time to look at that for me. regards, Ralph |
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Ok I just finished painting my hallway, so I went down to check the FSB on my rifle. It's got the drain hole and you can see the forge 'flash'. It looks like it was ground relatively smooth, but it's still very obvious. so your fsb looks like this? http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s147/crackedcornish/b058cbbb-1.jpg Yes, very similar (I think the seam on mine is a bit nicer, but all in all yeah it's the same. and don't forget a blank magazine http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQsuHQ3BrjY9WjiYI8Qi4RVGYHE0nV5J0SRff8i2r4J6ZPG1IE&t=1&usg=__-egUHfo8ENouigYJhmytJcZhqCE= Were those used in the 80s? If so yeah I'll add it to the list. ETA: Made in the 60's I see - so definately an A1 type acessory. Thanks for the tip! From what I've been able to find prices are in the $100-$200 range . Since we're on the topic of magazines, would the Waffle pattern magazines be an A1 accessory? Or were those phased out so early (in the M16 / XM16E1 days) that they would not be seen with the A1? I seem to recall Chuck mentioning they would crush any they found. |
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Ok I just finished painting my hallway, so I went down to check the FSB on my rifle. It's got the drain hole and you can see the forge 'flash'. It looks like it was ground relatively smooth, but it's still very obvious. Interesting. Thanks for taking the time to look at that for me. regards, Ralph I'm taking her out Saturday if you'd like I could get you more photos of the FSB. |
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Ok I'm not going to replace the reproductions with originals unless I find a decent deal.
So my priorities are going to be a BFA, M4 Bipod & bag (I'd prefer 4th gen), Muzzle cap, and Blank Magazine. I'll keep my eyes out for a broken MILES box but I don't have much hope. |
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I've added the M1950 Pack Parachutist Weapons and Individual Equipment [Canvas Rifle Wrap] (8465-753-6547) to the list. It is listed as Parachutist equipment in 1968 and is listed in the VietnamGear.com website. It doesn't seem to be used in the time period I'm interested in, but it seems it could/was used for airborne ops with the M16A1.
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Ok I just finished painting my hallway, so I went down to check the FSB on my rifle. It's got the drain hole and you can see the forge 'flash'. It looks like it was ground relatively smooth, but it's still very obvious. Interesting. Thanks for taking the time to look at that for me. regards, Ralph I'm taking her out Saturday if you'd like I could get you more photos of the FSB. Forest Yes, that would be very nice, if it isn't too much trouble. I suspect your barrel is from around '67 or '68 manufacture but I am no expert. I think we would all enjoy some more photos regards, Ralph |
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Yes, that would be very nice, if it isn't too much trouble. I suspect your barrel is from around '67 or '68 manufacture but I am no expert. I think we would all enjoy some more photos regards, Ralph Ya know I think you're right. I must have had a brain cramp, but given the MP marking that would make it 67-68. |
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Hey Forest, I finally had a chance to dig through my junk, and your muzzle cap will be going out in Monday's mail
...and here's a bipod on GB http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=183276339 |
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so which bipod case is correct for nam, nylon or canvas.
also there is a "Marine's Guide To The Republic of Vietnam". MCBul 3480 dated 20 Sep 1968. very interesting reading. steel pot, you have to choose which rubber band to go around the pot. ready made was army & the Marine Corp. used an inner tube from a mule I believe. that comic book that you listed was originally put out on Dec. 68 good luck & have fun. |
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For Vietnam? Canvas from what I can tell (which one is pictured in the manuals) though Vietnamgear.com indicates all 4 were used. I'm going to look for a nylon one as that would seem to be most appropriate for the mid to late 80s.
If I go for a steel pot, it will be Army all the way, down to it's woodland pattern cover. |
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We didn't go from the Vietnam era "Mitchell pattern" helmet cover until '80 when the M1 steel pot got upgraded suspension gear as well as the woodland cover.
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We didn't go from the Vietnam era "Mitchell pattern" helmet cover until '80 when the M1 steel pot got upgraded suspension gear as well as the woodland cover. Yeah I know, I'm looking for that period of gear/accessories in particular. However I want the list to reflect M16A1 acceccories from it's entire lifespan (from the XM16E1 till it was retired) because others may have a similar interest, only in a different time period (say Vietnam). |
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