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9/19/2017 7:27:10 PM
Posted: 2/9/2006 6:10:16 PM EDT
Tomorrow's the day to order my next kit.

I can't decide between a CAR lightweight barrelled kit or a standard 20" with gov't contour barrel.

I love the light carbines. I love the classic look of the 20" A2.

This will mainly be a plinker, but of course I want it to be usable for defensive purposes.

Just for kicks, give me your personal pros and cons to each. I know this is probably a tired topic, but I am stuck between the two.

Help a brother out!
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 6:27:57 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/9/2006 6:36:25 PM EDT
I would go with the Carbine, but that is just because I like them better
Link Posted: 2/10/2006 4:01:53 AM EDT
Thanks for the input. It's actually my 4th.

I just want a 20" with gov't contour. I think that's where I'm headed. Just a classic.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 4:12:49 PM EDT
Flat-top carbine with removable carry handle.

It seems to be the most versitile.

I had the same dilemma last year, and got the carbine....I'm now building a USGI 20" A3 - type, lol.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 5:24:29 PM EDT
+1 on a flat top carbine !

Mike
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 5:56:52 PM EDT
flip a coin
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 8:14:16 PM EDT
Get a carbine and have a lot of fun with it. Please, just do it for me. Goddamn Connecticut AWB...... send me pics so I can cry myself to sleep...... at least you can ask that question.
Link Posted: 2/18/2006 8:26:14 PM EDT
I thought the standard answer was: "BOTH"?
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:55:38 AM EDT
when plagued with this kind of torture, it is natural and wise to buy both...



if i HAD to choose, i'd say a flat top carbine...

septic tank

Link Posted: 2/19/2006 5:58:04 AM EDT
Where are you finding a kit with a 20" gov't profile barrel?
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:51:26 AM EDT
Is it as easy to build up an AR as it is an AK ? I was thinking about a doing an AR this summer if I get the cash together.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 9:11:20 AM EDT
Is it as easy to build up an AR as it is an AK ? I was thinking about a doing an AR this summer if I get the cash together.

You show me how to build an ak and I'll show you how to build an ar...
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 10:43:46 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Magnumhawk:
Is it as easy to build up an AR as it is an AK ? I was thinking about a doing an AR this summer if I get the cash together. hr


The AR build is easier.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 11:38:44 AM EDT
Carbine. Rifles are fun too, but heavier and longer. There is no real advantage to the civilian hobby shooter with the longer rifle, save maybe sight radius. I find that I shoot and train more with lighter weapons--I don't get tired and go home early.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 1:10:39 PM EDT
better get a dog and shotgun for home defense, hahahaha!!
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 3:00:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
There is no real advantage to the civilian hobby shooter with the longer rifle, save maybe sight radius. I find that I shoot and train more with lighter weapons--I don't get tired and go home early.



Or perhaps, there is no disadvantage to the civil shooter using a longer barrel. A .gov barreled rifle weighs less than any carbine with an HBAR, IME. And greater velocity DOES flatten trajectory, reduce wind deflection, and improve terminal ballistics compared to less velocity delivered by a carbine. A 22 caliber varmint cartridge needs all the help it can get...

Paladin
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 3:43:08 PM EDT

Originally Posted By PALADIN-hgwt:

Originally Posted By Combat_Jack:
There is no real advantage to the civilian hobby shooter with the longer rifle, save maybe sight radius. I find that I shoot and train more with lighter weapons--I don't get tired and go home early.



Or perhaps, there is no disadvantage to the civil shooter using a longer barrel. A .gov barreled rifle weighs less than any carbine with an HBAR, IME. And greater velocity DOES flatten trajectory, reduce wind deflection, and improve terminal ballistics compared to less velocity delivered by a carbine. A 22 caliber varmint cartridge needs all the help it can get...

Paladin



In my experience the slightly flatter trajectory is offset by the increased length and weight of the rifle. People will take the carbine to the range more often than the rifle. Also, most people do 90% of their shooting inside 100m.
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:20:01 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 300WSM:
Tomorrow's the day to order my next kit.

I can't decide between a CAR lightweight barrelled kit or a standard 20" with gov't contour barrel.

I love the light carbines. I love the classic look of the 20" A2.

This will mainly be a plinker, but of course I want it to be usable for defensive purposes.

Just for kicks, give me your personal pros and cons to each. I know this is probably a tired topic, but I am stuck between the two.

Help a brother out!



Humm....get an A2 or A3, with barrel in XM177 config!
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:28:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/19/2006 4:30:13 PM EDT by Essayons]
1. Add a poll.

2. Get both

3. If you only get one, I vote rifle. Why give up velocity (and fragmentation, if you need it)? A 20" AR is only 4" longer than a 20" AR.

P.S. Or get MGI's Quick Change Barrel (QCB) system and short and long barrels!
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:29:13 PM EDT
BOTH!

i'd get the rifle first

if not, get a 16in middy w/ a govt profile bbl
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:31:43 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 4:34:57 PM EDT
i like the carbine
Link Posted: 2/19/2006 8:52:37 PM EDT
Carbine. I got mine for fun and for bug-out. I love it.
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