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Posted: 7/22/2010 8:37:31 AM EDT
Thinking about buying this AR upper. It's complete with BCG and CH for $350. I just don't like no name brands, can anyone identify it? It has a "L M" stamped on the upper.


http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m83/jsxtreme2003/1279813922.jpg
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 8:47:26 AM EDT
[#1]
LAR / Martin Marietta?
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 9:05:55 AM EDT
[#2]
google it  there is a company called lakeside machine but i dont know anything about them. Looks like that gas key needs to be staked as well IMO
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 9:07:53 AM EDT
[#3]
also i would check out the barrel markings to see what quality barrel your getting
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 9:37:53 AM EDT
[#4]
Alrighty, thanks.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 10:11:50 AM EDT
[#5]
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LAR / Martin Marietta?


you're correct as far as I know.
USGI contractor for replacement parts if I'm no mistaken
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 11:09:40 AM EDT
[#6]
Yeah I did a search on here and that's what I came up with. Do they make decent stuff?
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 11:13:00 AM EDT
[#7]
You are probably better off asking in the retro forum.  Otherwise you can look at retro black rifle for the codes.

http://98.196.65.94/retroblackrifle/index.html
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 12:22:29 PM EDT
[#8]
Upper receiver is a mid 70's LAR Martin Marietta M16A1, everything else is 80's A2 stuff (delta ring and handguard). The BCG isn't a Colt.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 12:59:38 PM EDT
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LAR / Martin Marietta?


you're correct as far as I know.
USGI contractor for replacement parts if I'm no mistaken

Yep. It's a contract replacement upper. It also has a big head forward assist. What are the markings on the bolt and carrier?
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 1:20:22 PM EDT
[#10]
It could be an early 80's commercial offering using a LAR reeiver, similar to a Colt sporter II set up.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 1:26:25 PM EDT
[#11]
Also, is it a carbine or a rifle?
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 3:19:28 PM EDT
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LAR / Martin Marietta?


you're correct as far as I know.
USGI contractor for replacement parts if I'm no mistaken

Yep. It's a contract replacement upper. It also has a big head forward assist. What are the markings on the bolt and carrier?


Don't know. Those are just the photos the seller sent me. Here are some more:

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m83/jsxtreme2003/1279839442.jpg

http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m83/jsxtreme2003/1279839494.jpg


You guys think it's worth $350? I've got a complete lower sitting around going to waste.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 3:20:08 PM EDT
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Also, is it a carbine or a rifle?


Rifle, which is obvious now.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 4:05:05 PM EDT
[#14]
I'd say $350 isn't too bad for this set up, I'd buy it and shoot the hell out of it. I recently picked up a LK marked M16A2 upper with a Colt barrel for $300.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 4:42:11 PM EDT
[#15]
$350 for the complete upper isn't bad at all so long as the barrel isn't shot out. I'd be interested in seeing whether it's an HBAR or a gov't profile barrel.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 6:06:56 PM EDT
[#16]
My money's on a government profile.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 6:21:37 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 7/22/2010 8:06:27 PM EDT
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LAR / Martin Marietta?




you're correct as far as I know.

USGI contractor for replacement parts if I'm no mistaken


Yep. It's a contract replacement upper. It also has a big head forward assist. What are the markings on the bolt and carrier?




Don't know. Those are just the photos the seller sent me. Here are some more:



http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m83/jsxtreme2003/1279839442.jpg



http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m83/jsxtreme2003/1279839494.jpg





You guys think it's worth $350? I've got a complete lower sitting around going to waste.






Yes.  You are probably getting an FN or Colt barrel with it.  Who knows made the bolt.  That might give you some negotiating points.  



My first upper was an M16A1 upper with an FN barrel in it.  





 
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 9:13:18 PM EDT
[#19]
"My first upper was an M16A1 upper with an FN barrel in it. "

How did/does it shoot? My Colt M16A1 with 1/12 twist shoots nice tight patterns with xm193 ammo.
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 9:21:35 PM EDT
[#20]
The surplus M16 upper receiver is like any other upper receiver, as long as it is in spec.  The thing that determines its worth for me would be the barrel - who made it, what twist, what barrel profile (I don't do heavies anymore), is it shot out/worn out from cleaning, is it chrome lined, etc.

It's obviously a parts-made upper.  I don't know of any factory that is cranking out M16A1 uppers with no brass deflector and M16A2 (or HBAR) barrels.  I'd just put a few more bucks with it and get a new one from Bravo Company, if it was me.  http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M16-Government-20-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-gov-20.htm

A used upper could be all shot out, assembled wrong, etc.  Only worth the risk if you can check it over first before buying, and if you save enough over new price.

If you're not married to the notion of a 20" rifle-gas barrel, this is a good option too:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU5035&groupid=55
Link Posted: 7/22/2010 9:38:13 PM EDT
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My money's on a government profile.


Guess you posted before the added pics. Lost your money on that bet. lol



 
Link Posted: 7/23/2010 5:18:24 AM EDT
[#22]
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The surplus M16 upper receiver is like any other upper receiver, as long as it is in spec.  The thing that determines its worth for me would be the barrel - who made it, what twist, what barrel profile (I don't do heavies anymore), is it shot out/worn out from cleaning, is it chrome lined, etc.

It's obviously a parts-made upper.  I don't know of any factory that is cranking out M16A1 uppers with no brass deflector and M16A2 (or HBAR) barrels.  I'd just put a few more bucks with it and get a new one from Bravo Company, if it was me.  http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/BCM-M16-Government-20-Upper-Receiver-Group-p/bcm-urg-gov-20.htm

A used upper could be all shot out, assembled wrong, etc.  Only worth the risk if you can check it over first before buying, and if you save enough over new price.

If you're not married to the notion of a 20" rifle-gas barrel, this is a good option too:
http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XSTU5035&groupid=55

Once you put a BCG with that BCM upper, you'll be wayyyyy over adding a "few more bucks".
Link Posted: 7/23/2010 5:19:02 AM EDT
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My money's on a government profile.

Guess you posted before the added pics. Lost your money on that bet. lol
 

The barrel can still be gov't profile. The OP hasn't posted pictures with the handguards removed.
Link Posted: 7/23/2010 5:23:07 AM EDT
[#24]
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My money's on a government profile.

Guess you posted before the added pics. Lost your money on that bet. lol
 

The barrel can still be gov't profile. The OP hasn't posted pictures with the handguards removed.


I'll ask him if he can removed the hand gaurds and give me any info. I'll probably just end up buying a complete new upper. Who knows if it was hacked together or not. $350 was just a pretty sweet deal.
Link Posted: 7/23/2010 5:29:35 AM EDT
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My money's on a government profile.

Guess you posted before the added pics. Lost your money on that bet. lol
 

The barrel can still be gov't profile. The OP hasn't posted pictures with the handguards removed.


I'll ask him if he can removed the hand gaurds and give me any info. I'll probably just end up buying a complete new upper. Who knows if it was hacked together or not. $350 was just a pretty sweet deal.

I wouldn't pass that up if I were you. Like I said earlier, so long as the barrel isn't shot out, you should be good. For $350 don't worry about the profile or twist rate. Ask the seller to post pictures of the rifling. If that's good to go, the only other thing I can see is that carrier key needs staking, and that can be easily done.

Also, it'll make for a very unique-looking simple AR with that A1 upper, A2 handguards, delta ring and A2 barrel. That's always good.
Link Posted: 7/23/2010 6:04:18 AM EDT
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My money's on a government profile.

Guess you posted before the added pics. Lost your money on that bet. lol
 

The barrel can still be gov't profile. The OP hasn't posted pictures with the handguards removed.


I'll ask him if he can removed the hand gaurds and give me any info. I'll probably just end up buying a complete new upper. Who knows if it was hacked together or not. $350 was just a pretty sweet deal.

I wouldn't pass that up if I were you. Like I said earlier, so long as the barrel isn't shot out, you should be good. For $350 don't worry about the profile or twist rate. Ask the seller to post pictures of the rifling. If that's good to go, the only other thing I can see is that carrier key needs staking, and that can be easily done.

Also, it'll make for a very unique-looking simple AR with that A1 upper, A2 handguards, delta ring and A2 barrel. That's always good.


And even more unique with this lower that I have on it:
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m83/jsxtreme2003/glockar15lr308002.jpg
http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m83/jsxtreme2003/glockar15lr308006.jpg
Link Posted: 7/23/2010 8:25:17 AM EDT
[#27]
"Guess you posted before the added pics. Lost your money on that bet. lol"

Really? What are you seeing that we're not seeing? How many M16A2 uppers do you have?

Link Posted: 7/23/2010 11:18:24 AM EDT
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My money's on a government profile.

Guess you posted before the added pics. Lost your money on that bet. lol
 

The barrel can still be gov't profile. The OP hasn't posted pictures with the handguards removed.


I'll ask him if he can removed the hand gaurds and give me any info. I'll probably just end up buying a complete new upper. Who knows if it was hacked together or not. $350 was just a pretty sweet deal.


Well he doesnt have the tools to remove the handgaurds. I guess all I can do is check to make sure the rifling is ok when I go to look at it, if I go to look at it.
Link Posted: 7/23/2010 11:43:34 AM EDT
[#29]
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My money's on a government profile.

Guess you posted before the added pics. Lost your money on that bet. lol
 

The barrel can still be gov't profile. The OP hasn't posted pictures with the handguards removed.


I'll ask him if he can removed the hand gaurds and give me any info. I'll probably just end up buying a complete new upper. Who knows if it was hacked together or not. $350 was just a pretty sweet deal.


Well he doesnt have the tools to remove the handgaurds. I guess all I can do is check to make sure the rifling is ok when I go to look at it, if I go to look at it.

You don't necessarily need tools to remove the handguards. I've done it plenty of times on my A2 by myself.
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