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Posted: 9/19/2009 3:44:22 PM EST
Looking for a new AR. Prefer not to buy and build, unless it's just mating a complete upper to a complete lower. CDNN has CMMg's for $800. Good name? Is the Bushmaster or Stag better? Prefer not waiting, and CDNN says they are in stock. I have a Colt Match Target already, but just want another AR. Will consider buying a complete upper to sit on the Colt for now, with a lower in the future to mate with it.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:05:59 PM EST
Buy a DDM4 upper and build any lower with a RRA Lower Parts Kit.
Just go to PK Firearms and look around.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:07:03 PM EST
all mentioned are gtg
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:08:03 PM EST
I always trusted Bushmaster but since DPMS teamed up with them, I won't rust them again. I'd say Stag but then I build my own now.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:49:04 PM EST
Between a Bushmaster and a Stag, I will choose a Stag every time. I have had much better luck with Stag than Bushmaster on a personal level (just wish Stag would offer a 1 in 7 twist barrel on their uppers).
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 4:51:53 PM EST
chevy, ford or saturn. I would go with bushy or stag over cmmg.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 6:29:10 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/19/2009 6:32:01 PM EST by speedballalice]
I really like my CMMG M4 SOCOM with 14.7"bbl. It has 1/7 twist (i like handloading the heavies), F marked FSB, M16 carrier, ect,ect. It has run flawlessly and shoots great groups also.

It shot two sub 1" 5 round groups this past Friday.


The Bushmaster and Stag would probably serve you well also.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 7:07:50 PM EST
in that range... S&W.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 7:13:25 PM EST
Originally Posted By ridewaves:
in that range... S&W.


+1
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 7:19:19 PM EST
Since they are mil spec, I go with anyone of them.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 7:23:16 PM EST
I had a Stag, nice rifles. Also dont rule out S&W.
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 7:53:43 PM EST
cmmg
Link Posted: 9/19/2009 8:21:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By ridewaves:
in that range... S&W.


I agree with S&W and would add ArmaLite as well.

Link Posted: 9/20/2009 2:25:40 AM EST
S&W is $200 more than the CMMG. And I am a big S&W fan, but aren't they too new to the AR market to really rate them? If I'm gonna spend $1000 on an AR (and I'm not going to do that) I would think I could get something better than a S&W.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 2:37:07 AM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2009 2:38:18 AM EST by ACOGless]
Originally Posted By sterling18:
Since they are mil spec, I go with anyone of them.


huh?

I'd prolly go CMMG here, but my Stag has been a fine gun too, no issues out of it.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:36:06 AM EST
I'm currently using a CMMG for my patrol rifle and it's GTG. All three would serve anyone well.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 4:56:38 AM EST
I have a CMMG and am pleased with it, also had a Bushmaster and never had any problems with it, but sold it to fund another CMMG. Never handled a Stag but from what I read they're GTG also. if it was me I'd get either the CMMG or the Stag.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:00:51 AM EST
CMMG has the best features from that group if features matter to you, however, they will all serve you well.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:21:01 AM EST
Get one of the $600 CMMG bargain bin rifles.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 5:46:07 AM EST
Stag is uses Mil-spec extension tubes and over all have better fit-n-finish.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 6:13:04 AM EST
LOVE MY STAG and i honestly have NEVER heard a bad thing about them on here, magazines, range, gun shops etc...(except wait times from factory)
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:10:16 AM EST
+1 for stag, just because I have never handled a bad one, fit and finish and overall quality always seems to be a+
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 7:20:17 AM EST
personally CMMG
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 11:50:12 AM EST

Originally Posted By ACOGless:
Originally Posted By sterling18:
Since they are mil spec, I go with anyone of them.


huh?

I'd prolly go CMMG here, but my Stag has been a fine gun too, no issues out of it.

Since they are all made to military specifications all of them are gtg.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 12:03:11 PM EST
Originally Posted By sterling18:

Originally Posted By ACOGless:
Originally Posted By sterling18:
Since they are mil spec, I go with anyone of them.


huh?

I'd prolly go CMMG here, but my Stag has been a fine gun too, no issues out of it.

Since they are all made to military specifications all of them are gtg.


Please explain what those specifications are, killer. None of the mentioned parts assemblers or any other AR maker for that matter produce mil-spec carbines so please don't make these statements as to not confuse the novice. AR & mil specification should not be used in the same sentence.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 12:05:32 PM EST
1. Stag
2. Bushy



I had a less than positive experience with CMMG customer service. I can't recommend them.
The product was top notch though. Caveat Emptor.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 12:16:04 PM EST
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
I always trusted Bushmaster but since DPMS teamed up with them, I won't rust them again. I'd say Stag but then I build my own now.


Bush and DPMS are in bed together? How so?
BK:American!

Link Posted: 9/20/2009 12:17:07 PM EST
Originally Posted By ACOGless:
Originally Posted By sterling18:
Since they are mil spec, I go with anyone of them.


huh?

I'd prolly go CMMG here, but my Stag has been a fine gun too, no issues out of it.


CMMG has issues with threads being concentric - ADCO won't thread them for cans. I'd go Bravo Company if it's a precision rifle. CMMG's bargin bin for a truck /knockabout rifle.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 12:25:02 PM EST
All listed in this thread are GTG. With that said my Bushy has been just about perfect.

Your best bet is to look at as many different brands as you can and pick which on suits YOU the best. When I start looking at anything around the $1K mark, I want to touch it, carefully inspect it first and then decide. All that is left to do then is plunk down your money, take it home , and enjoy.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 12:25:45 PM EST

Originally Posted By BadKarma555:
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
I always trusted Bushmaster but since DPMS teamed up with them, I won't rust them again. I'd say Stag but then I build my own now.


Bush and DPMS are in bed together? How so?
BK:American!

They are both owned by Cerberus Capital Management, L.P.

Link Posted: 9/20/2009 12:27:27 PM EST
Originally Posted By sterling18:

Originally Posted By BadKarma555:
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
I always trusted Bushmaster but since DPMS teamed up with them, I won't rust them again. I'd say Stag but then I build my own now.


Bush and DPMS are in bed together? How so?
BK:American!

They are both owned by Cerberus Capital Management, L.P.



And so is Remington, I believe.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 12:28:03 PM EST
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Originally Posted By ACOGless:
Originally Posted By sterling18:
Since they are mil spec, I go with anyone of them.


huh?

I'd prolly go CMMG here, but my Stag has been a fine gun too, no issues out of it.


CMMG has issues with threads being concentric - ADCO won't thread them for cans. I'd go Bravo Company if it's a precision rifle. CMMG's bargin bin for a truck /knockabout rifle.


EVERY barrel from ANY manufacturer should be checked for concentricy prior to mounting a can...regardless of how stellar the the barrel makers rep is.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 12:42:59 PM EST
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Originally Posted By ACOGless:
Originally Posted By sterling18:
Since they are mil spec, I go with anyone of them.


huh?

I'd prolly go CMMG here, but my Stag has been a fine gun too, no issues out of it.


CMMG has issues with threads being concentric - ADCO won't thread them for cans. I'd go Bravo Company if it's a precision rifle. CMMG's bargin bin for a truck /knockabout rifle.


I would too but I was just going with the list the OP gave. Stag I know works, but I hear mostly good things about cmmg so that is what that statement was coupled with the current price on that bargin bin rifle.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 12:44:17 PM EST
I just GAVE away a Bushmaster. That's how great I thought it was....
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 12:45:16 PM EST
Originally Posted By sterling18:

Originally Posted By ACOGless:
Originally Posted By sterling18:
Since they are mil spec, I go with anyone of them.


huh?

I'd prolly go CMMG here, but my Stag has been a fine gun too, no issues out of it.

Since they are all made to military specifications all of them are gtg.


From what I've seen of all three are pretty far from the mil spec standard, IRC CMMG M4 clone is the closest.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 12:48:01 PM EST
Originally Posted By cray6031:
I had a Stag, nice rifles. Also dont rule out S&W.


S&W is made by Stag
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 12:50:06 PM EST
Originally Posted By SaxonPope:
Originally Posted By sterling18:

Originally Posted By BadKarma555:
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
I always trusted Bushmaster but since DPMS teamed up with them, I won't rust them again. I'd say Stag but then I build my own now.


Bush and DPMS are in bed together? How so?
BK:American!

They are both owned by Cerberus Capital Management, L.P.



And so is Remington, I believe.


The Rem R-15's are made by Bushmaster
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:32:06 PM EST
I really like my Stag better then my Bushmaster. No experience with CMMG. I would go with a Stag given those choices any day.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 3:55:50 PM EST
Well my DPMS came with a cast lower, that part I am not thrilled with, and the mag well is really tight.
My Bushy works and I'd say I trust it to work.
BK:American!
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 4:08:37 PM EST
Under $1k, CMMG is honestly the mark to beat.

If you want to get creative with it - you can build a Spikes lower up with a RRA LPK , or a WOA, CMT LPK and add a CMMG 2-Stage trigger - then get a CMMG Upper with TROY MRF-DI, - Under a grand, and you'll end up with a real tack driver.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 4:35:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 9/20/2009 4:38:04 PM EST by tbacala]
I give my Bushmaster an A+. Great fit and finish, reliable, and MOA accurate––what more could someone ask for? This isn't to say that Bushmaster is better than the rest; the others you mention are probably just as good. I'd also add Rock River to the list as a quality product at a decent price. The ones I'm familiar with are fine rifles.
Link Posted: 9/20/2009 4:38:08 PM EST
Originally Posted By ridewaves:
in that range... S&W.



Stag???
Link Posted: 9/21/2009 12:33:08 AM EST
Originally Posted By SaxonPope:
Originally Posted By sterling18:

Originally Posted By BadKarma555:
Originally Posted By shadowcop:
I always trusted Bushmaster but since DPMS teamed up with them, I won't rust them again. I'd say Stag but then I build my own now.


Bush and DPMS are in bed together? How so?
BK:American!

They are both owned by Cerberus Capital Management, L.P.



And so is Remington, I believe.


Correct
Link Posted: 9/21/2009 12:34:46 AM EST
Originally Posted By ACOGless:
Originally Posted By Maryland_Shooter:
Originally Posted By ACOGless:
Originally Posted By sterling18:
Since they are mil spec, I go with anyone of them.


huh?

I'd prolly go CMMG here, but my Stag has been a fine gun too, no issues out of it.


CMMG has issues with threads being concentric - ADCO won't thread them for cans. I'd go Bravo Company if it's a precision rifle. CMMG's bargin bin for a truck /knockabout rifle.


I would too but I was just going with the list the OP gave. Stag I know works, but I hear mostly good things about cmmg so that is what that statement was coupled with the current price on that bargin bin rifle.



For the price - what $600 - that is a tough deal to beat. Depends on the use of the rifle though. Great SHTF/truck/ranch rifle. Price can't be beat.
Link Posted: 9/21/2009 1:30:03 AM EST
I don't feel like waiting 25 weeks ordering from the factory. I can get a CMMG upper from gunbroker (new in box) and have it within a week. I think I'm gonna put that CMMG on my current Colt lower, then pick up another lower at some point down the road.
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