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Posted: 10/11/2008 1:32:09 PM EDT
Hello Members. I am new to your site, thanks for having me. I need suggestions about my purchase. I was thinking of a Wilson Combat M4-T.

Let me know what your opinion is, or which way I should go.

Thanks
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 1:38:22 PM EDT
[#1]
Can't say anything about that ar manufacturer but my vote would be with LMT.
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 1:40:05 PM EDT
[#2]
what are your requirements? How much.
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 1:49:45 PM EDT
[#3]
Are you buying flat off the shelf?
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 1:50:21 PM EDT
[#4]
To be honest, I am new at this, so,  16-16.25 inch barrel, collapsable stock, reliable, and tough, ready for heavy use.

Thanks
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 1:51:05 PM EDT
[#5]
Price is really not an issue, but under $2500.
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 1:59:10 PM EDT
[#6]
Nothing really wrong with Wilsons ARs but IMHO they are somewhat over priced.
You can get the same high quality from LM&T, S&W, Sabre, Stag. If I have over looked someone am sure others will post them. And you save a bunch of money to use for Optics and other needed items.
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 2:10:18 PM EDT
[#7]
Get an LMT and spend the rest on a good red dot sight, ammo, and plenty of mags.  Wilson's are nice but way over priced.
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 2:16:51 PM EDT
[#8]
LMT 16" upper with BCG/CH - $615 from bravocompany
LMT defender lower with sopmod - $477 with shipping/ffl transfer fee
KAC RAS with VFG/Rail covers - $250
Mi BUIS or ARMS #40 BUIS - $95
Eotech 512 - $350

-about $1790

go from eotech to acog Ta01nsn - $850

- about $2290

Link Posted: 10/11/2008 2:17:51 PM EDT
[#9]
LMT, spend the rest on ammo and mag's.
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 2:19:15 PM EDT
[#10]
Scottn, I recommend that read more before you make your purchase. Even if it means delaying your purchase. There are several top notch weapons you can buy for much less.

If money is no issue, look into...here it comes......Colt, Lewis Machine & Tool (LMT) and Noveske.

These are the top choices in the "money is no object" group. Do a little research here. You may have a little more trouble getting any one of these that you choose, but its really worth the effort in the long run.

Good luck to you.
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 2:19:49 PM EDT
[#11]
Colt 6920 or LMT Defender
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 2:20:50 PM EDT
[#12]
I was gonna say, don't forget Colt! The Wilsons are overpriced
I put this 6920 together for about $2500

Link Posted: 10/11/2008 2:24:24 PM EDT
[#13]
Thank you all for the great input. I will delay the purchase, to make the correct decision based upon your recommendations. I guess LMT is the way to go.

Optics and flashlight?
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 2:38:30 PM EDT
[#14]

Quoted:
Thank you all for the great input. I will delay the purchase, to make the correct decision based upon your recommendations. I guess LMT is the way to go.

Optics and flashlight?


Lots of choices,  you'll get a great weapon.
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 3:08:46 PM EDT
[#15]

Quoted:
Thank you all for the great input. I will delay the purchase, to make the correct decision based upon your recommendations. I guess LMT is the way to go.

Optics and flashlight?


I'm sure Wilson makes an exceptional rifle, but not for $2500. You have so many more options with other manufacturerers.

Optics are personal preference and dependant on usage. Flashlight -> Surefire

Here are my 3 ARs. I built/bought each for less than the 2500.





Link Posted: 10/11/2008 3:13:29 PM EDT
[#16]

Quoted:
Thank you all for the great input. I will delay the purchase, to make the correct decision based upon your recommendations. I guess LMT is the way to go.

Optics and flashlight?


Get the rifle first. You have plenty of time to add accessories. Spend some time with the basic carbine, and read. There is much to learn.

Before you get a light or optic, you will need quality mags and lots of ammo.......
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 3:21:19 PM EDT
[#17]
LMT or Colt, unless you can find a deal on a Noveske.
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 3:26:40 PM EDT
[#18]
+1 NOVESKE N4 or SS
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 3:30:14 PM EDT
[#19]
This is my vote:
Bravo Company Mid Length 16 in barrel upper
Bravo Co or LMT Bolt carrier group
Daniel Defense Omega rail
PRI gasbuster charging handle
Custom built LMT lower
Larue back up iron sights
Aimpoint or Eotech.  
Lots of ammo
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 3:31:36 PM EDT
[#20]
you can build a complete Larue for less than $2500. thats my vote.
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 8:29:09 PM EDT
[#21]
Noveske N4 Recce $1950.  Mags ammo with the other $550

Sir James...
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 8:45:16 PM EDT
[#22]
Just like Scottn I'm new here.  I also am looking to purchase my first AR.  $$$ is a little more of an issue for me though.  I was thinking of building one to save the $$$.  Any thoughts on a stripped lower?  Should I purchase a complete lower and assemble the rest?  I've already talked to my FFL dealer and he has a $25 transfer fee.  Sounds reasonable to me.  Looking to get a 16"HBAR A3 flat top.  Other than that your recommendations are welcome.  
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 9:31:29 PM EDT
[#23]

Quoted:

Custom built LMT lower


Grant isn't doing those anymore.  Not sure why..but I tried to order two the other day.
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 9:35:31 PM EDT
[#24]

Quoted:
Just like Scottn I'm new here.  I also am looking to purchase my first AR.  $$$ is a little more of an issue for me though.  I was thinking of building one to save the $$$.  Any thoughts on a stripped lower?  Should I purchase a complete lower and assemble the rest?  I've already talked to my FFL dealer and he has a $25 transfer fee.  Sounds reasonable to me.  Looking to get a 16"HBAR A3 flat top.  Other than that your recommendations are welcome.  


the easiest path is a stripped lower, and a complete upper.  If $$$ is an issue, a lot of people have had success with full parts kits from Del-Ton, Model 1 Sales, etc.  These parts kits include everything except the stripped lower receiver.

$25 transfer fee isn't too bad.  Not great, but not too bad.
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 9:38:54 PM EDT
[#25]
I am cheap, well almost , but I sure wouldn't spend that kind of money for an AR alone.  For a first AR I would sure recommend something more modest of form including Colt, Bushmaster, CMMG, LMT, DPMS, or any of the other models.

Define what you want better but a flattop and 1:7 twist barrel are the two personal minimums I would want.  

For the money you are going to pay for a Wilson you can get two "normal" grade AR and still have money for upgrades.  But, hey I have some over priced toys of other flavors and if you want one of the best of the best this will certainly give you a gun with a fit and finish worthy of the price.  I just treat my ARs like tools so none of mine are that level of social class.  

Perhaps some day I will sell three or four of my Bushmasters to join the elete...  Just kidding, I like having spares
Link Posted: 10/11/2008 11:12:13 PM EDT
[#26]
Noveske FSR

or

Smith & Wesson M&P15T
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 10:45:49 AM EDT
[#27]
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Quoted:
Smith & Wesson M&P15T


I concur...
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 11:33:31 AM EDT
[#28]
Sabre Defence makes AWESOME rifles. Their barrels are CMV and will last a lifetime for 99% of shooters. Not only that but the 3 I own are the most accurate ARs I have ever had out of almost 20.
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 12:01:38 PM EDT
[#29]

Quoted:
Price is really not an issue, but under $2500.


WOW...if you've got that kind of cash you might take a look at Naveske.  I don't know too much about Wilson ARs but their pistols are somethnig to drool over.

Edit:  I too have a S&W15T.  Love it, and at the time I didn't know it came with the Troy flip sights and quad rail.  Nice rifle...great price...highly recommended.  Still if I had to choose between that and a Noveske (assuming I had the money) it would be Noveske every time!
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 1:28:48 PM EDT
[#30]

Quoted:

Quoted:
Price is really not an issue, but under $2500.


WOW...if you've got that kind of cash you might take a look at Naveske.  I don't know too much about Wilson ARs but their pistols are somethnig to drool over.

Edit:  I too have a S&W15T.  Love it, and at the time I didn't know it came with the Troy flip sights and quad rail.  Nice rifle...great price...highly recommended.  Still if I had to choose between that and a Noveske (assuming I had the money) it would be Noveske every time!


No kidding, the moment I saw his price limit I went to Noveske's website to see if they qualified. They do

Further posts indicate he wants a service rifle, with a light, optic and quality on the level of an LMT. He's also expressed no interest in building it, nor that his ammo/mags/etc. will be a part of his $2500 cap.

I think, Scottn, you should consider something like this:

BCM 16" middie upper - $450
Denny's super duty bcg - $160
Middie Omega rail - $275
Troy rear folding sight - $140

LMT Defender w/SOPMOD and 2 stage trigger - $490

Aimpoint ML3 w/LaRue mount - $541
Surefire M96 w/Larue mount - $393

Total: $2450
Link Posted: 10/12/2008 1:58:09 PM EDT
[#31]

Quoted:
Nothing really wrong with Wilsons ARs but IMHO they are somewhat over priced.
You can get the same high quality from LM&T, S&W, Sabre, Stag. If I have over looked someone am sure others will post them. And you save a bunch of money to use for Optics and other needed items.


Fixed you post for ya...We all have our own opinion(s)

If you are willing to spend $2500...

The door is wide open...

I would start with LMT, COLT, Noveske and go from there...

The best advice anyone can give, is go to the Gun Store, handle a few rifles, and see what feels like it fits you best, no matter the brand.  Don't let us decide for you.

Link Posted: 10/12/2008 2:02:44 PM EDT
[#32]
NOVESKE
Link Posted: 10/17/2008 4:52:50 PM EDT
[#33]
Here is what I ended up buying. Rock River used and complete for $1340.00 with 10 magpul magazines.

Thank you all for your input.
Scotthttp://farm4.static.flickr.com/3243/2950748364_5900b3b506.jpg
Link Posted: 10/17/2008 4:55:00 PM EDT
[#34]
Wow, a lotta goodies for the price, nice rifle!
Link Posted: 10/17/2008 5:25:36 PM EDT
[#35]

Quoted:
LMT 16" upper with BCG/CH - $615 from bravocompany
LMT defender lower with sopmod - $477 with shipping/ffl transfer fee

KAC RAS with VFG/Rail covers - $250
Mi BUIS or ARMS #40 BUIS - $95
Eotech 512 - $350

-about $1790

go from eotech to acog Ta01nsn - $850

- about $2290



there are quite a few dealers that can sell you a complete LMT rifle with sopmod for less than that.
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