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Posted: 8/12/2005 8:50:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/14/2005 7:19:12 PM EDT by mcgrubbs]
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 7:36:56 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 7:41:16 AM EDT
Is that Duct tape remains that I see on there? Do you get a roll of that if you buy one of those mounts?
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 7:51:39 AM EDT
OH SNAP!!



mcgrubbs, your bulldog is the shit! My wife and I like him a lot.
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 7:57:08 AM EDT
...as a result of???????
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 11:08:27 AM EDT
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[Last Edit: 8/13/2005 11:09:51 AM EDT by C4iGrant]
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 11:20:48 AM EDT
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 12:58:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By RED_5:
...as a result of???????



Yeah, I'd like to know myself. Anything abused enough can break. Was this run over by an M1A1 or did it break in normal use? Doesn't really matter though, ARMS gear has proven itself in combat for many years and on my own rifles in less abusive use as well.
Link Posted: 8/13/2005 1:29:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/13/2005 2:16:20 PM EDT by C4iGrant]
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[Last Edit: 8/13/2005 5:52:32 PM EDT by ipschoser1]

Originally Posted By mcgrubbs:
One would have to think that the broken mount pictured hasn't seen much of any abuse, simply by looking at the pic.

I would think an abused mount would be much more worn looking.



My guess is that the lever took a hit in the verticle plane, opposite it's designed operating swing (and probably while the lever was open).
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Link Posted: 8/13/2005 6:20:11 PM EDT

Originally Posted By ipschoser1:

Originally Posted By RED_5:
...as a result of???????



Yeah, I'd like to know myself. Anything abused enough can break. Was this run over by an M1A1 or did it break in normal use? Doesn't really matter though, ARMS gear has proven itself in combat for many years and on my own rifles in less abusive use as well.



It could have been a M1A2 or M1A2 SEP.
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 1:56:55 PM EDT
" All you guys/gals with busted ARMS levers need to dig 'em up out of your reloading bench drawers and post us some pics...so ARMS can see where to make needed improvements. Who knows, ARMS might find that's it's better to machine them out of a solid. But they need data to make a decision." 
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 6:39:52 PM EDT
A buddy of mine had a set of ARMS QR rings on his M1A and they broke from the recoil the first time he took the rifle out...I wish we took a photo of the rings but if you don't believe me, you can as Jason at JTAC who very graciously took them back and sent my friend a different brand of rings...

After breaking a few ARMS products myself I've decided to stay away from CAST ("MIM") ARMS products. Most recently, my #22M68 stripped out while I was backing out a screw ...very disappointed. I do give them props for replacement of the broken products but the hassle of having to deal with it just isn't worth it. Plus the fact that seeing these things break doesn't exactly inspire confidence. AIRSOFT products are suppose to break, not "real gun" products...

Now I understand that product failures happen but you don't have to be a product designer to see weaknesses in products...For as much money as ARMS charges for their products, it should be FORGED or at the VERY LEAST, billet. No excuse other than to fatten their margins...

I have been considering a set of LaRue QR rings to my existing ARMS stuff but I really dislike the sideways orientation of the screws...I wish they would make a more standard top screw style ring...it's easier to mount scopes with that type of setup IMO.
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KPD-Kabul = Karzai Protective Detail
Link Posted: 8/14/2005 11:04:58 PM EDT
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[Last Edit: 8/14/2005 11:18:34 PM EDT by gs430]

Originally Posted By new-arguy:
Broken gear is no fun for anyone. ARMS will stand by their stuff though. Im sure they will replace it.



It's not so much about them replacing it, it's about the product NOT breaking. Hell, even B-Square will replace broken products under warranty but I still wouldn't buy a B-Square product. ARMS products are priced as top tier items but IMO, they failed to perform as a top tier product...

Until ARMS decides to give their customer their money's worth (i.e. stop using cheap cast metal), I think I'll give LaRue a try...
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 3:03:53 AM EDT
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Link Posted: 8/15/2005 5:51:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By new-arguy:

Originally Posted By Cavalry_Arms:
That's all well and good for you guys with safe-queens...but when gear goes "Tango Uniform" in the field, a replacment policy is little comfort.



Yeah, I know, thats what I told the guy with the CavArms gun they or I could not get to work in the last class I took...



Oooooohhhhh........BURN!
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:01:30 AM EDT
I dont own any ARMS stuff or fancy mounts of any kind for that matter but I'm perplexed here. It's been my impression that ARMS stuff was the bees knees and cats bum from what I see posted but it's obviously not.
What perplexes me is that this is the first I have ever heard of it and now all of a sudden there are plenty of guys now posting bad experiences with ARMS. Where were all you guys before? I would have liked to have heard this before.
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 6:05:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 8:38:42 AM EDT by C4iGrant]
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Link Posted: 8/15/2005 10:19:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By new-arguy:
The opposite is also true, with all the guns using ARMS gear around the world, from soldiers and contractors, to gamers, to guys like me, lots of people are probably pretty satisfied with their ARMS stuff.



Put me in that same boat, Neil. I've also known many ARMS users that are COMPLETELY satisfied. Many of them are military, LE or competition shooters. But you're missing the point, ARMS isn't what we're pimping this week. That's what this is all about, pure and simple. I took a good long break from this site because it gets REALLY old coming from the same small group of people, many of whom have a financial stake in this. Sinistral, you're not one of the group I'm referring to.

As it stands now, My ARMS gear is going strong...
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 10:32:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 4:10:13 PM EDT by C4iGrant]
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 12:10:46 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 3:26:41 PM EDT

Originally Posted By C4iGrant:



If you THINK I am the one "pimping gear" then I would like to remind you that I have a full inventory of ARMS products in stock!






Grant, that's EXACTLY what I think. I'm beginning to wonder if you owe Mark LaRue money or something, lol. I can't figure out why you continually disrupt this forum when you could sit back and have guys like me (former customer) ordering stuff from you. It just doesn't add up.

I'll let you reply now, because I ABSOLUTELY KNOW that you have to have the last word. That's common with insecure people. I think I'll take a break again from the optics forum, nothing has changed. Ed is aware of the problems though...
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 4:09:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 4:32:41 PM EDT by C4iGrant]
Link Posted: 8/15/2005 5:18:43 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 5:22:16 PM EDT by ipschoser1]
Well Grant, I guess we just agree to disagree. You go on being Mark's personal bitch, I'll go on enjoying my ARMS gear. Bottom line is this, I'd rather buy gear made by a guy named Dick then from a guy that is a Dick.

Run Grant, Run! Tell a mod ASAP!

ETA, that's my last wasted keystroke on the loadmaster turned weapons expert...

Link Posted: 8/15/2005 5:29:41 PM EDT
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[Last Edit: 8/15/2005 5:30:11 PM EDT by new-arguy]
do you even have to ask?
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