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Good to see you back.
Looking forward to more testing. |
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I appreciate this.
I have a 11.5" ELWF but haven't tested the accuracy much. Thanks! ETA: Interesting the ELW barrels are listed as Cold Hammer Forged but the ELWF barrels are not. |
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Glad to have you back and hope you've been well.
Great results/data as always. I feel like BCM has fallen by the wayside of late and I'm not quite sure why. My (anecdotal) sense is that their reported QC issues are more a function of sample size than issues per 100 units (or whatever denominator you want). Perhaps they just aren't seen as the new kid on the tacticool block anymore. The only BCM barrel I've owned was perfectly good and lasted well north of 10k rounds. It still sits in the spare parts bin, grouped fine, was reasonably gassed, etc. I'd stick it back in an upper without reservation if the need arose. |
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Thanks for posting.
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That one sure shoots. I have had some BCM barrels that shot really well and some that were not impressive at all.
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Interesting.
Really casts doubt on the classic “average” accuracy claims generally associated with BCM. |
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Originally Posted By Donster_125: Interesting. Really casts doubt on the classic “average” accuracy claims generally associated with BCM. View Quote The only reason they’re average is because some shoot really good, and some suck. I’ve had enough of both that I pretty much stick with Colt barrels anymore. Whatever they do, they always shoot. |
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Originally Posted By samuse: The only reason they’re average is because some shoot really good, and some suck. I’ve had enough of both that I pretty much stick with Colt barrels anymore. Whatever they do, they always shoot. View Quote Fair enough. I was a DD guy until my country banned all AR15s |
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I'm trying to get some clarity from BCM. They list this barrel as Cold Hammer Forged, but not the Enhanced Lightweight Fluted.
I asked and they said they're both button rifled and the only difference between them is the fluting... Not sure what I'm missing. |
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@Molon, any chance that you might have a Criterion Core to test at all?
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Awesome write up...thanks
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Welcome back Molon. Good write up.
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Moon is back!
I agree I have a 14.5 elw that's probably my most accurate and softest shooter. |
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Good to hear from you!
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Nice to see this again. This is what Tech should be
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Have Bill call me - the45man
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I’m glad to see your back man, keep the faith, the world needs your science. |
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Glad to see you back. Missed your science.
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perfectsilence:
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Hot damn Molon is back. Finally some good news in 2021. Great write up, looking forward to more.
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i bet bcm really dony mfg. about anything............. there like all the rest buy from some specific mfg. with bcm branded on it. there just like the rest now days. even colt is doing this now.............. everybody sees the writing on the wall with the biden admin. in office
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Glad you're posting again. Good shooting and looking rifle.
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great to see you posting! looking forward to seeing no BS science!
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Bought time you get your ass back here...Hope the dog is doing well...I missed him.
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Another great Molon thread! Thanks!
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Thanks Molon! Great to see you back
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Welcome back.
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Originally Posted By Jonny1904: @Molon, any chance that you might have a Criterion Core to test at all? View Quote Funny you should ask. I've been waiting for months for Criterion to have a 16" CORE barrel in stock so that I can do an accuracy evaluation of one. Their website says "ON BACK ORDER, ETA APRIL/MAY 2021". .. |
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I think I can speak for the entire AR15.com community when I say, YOU WERE MISSED!
Welcome home. |
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Great thread. Thanks for sharing.
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Thanks for posting, OP.
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@Molon , seeing a post from you is like a breath of fresh air.
Excellent precision ! And .... I sure like those 10round groups !!! You taught me the need to fire 10rd groups , so I could see the real potential ( or lack off ) in a barrel. IM sent. |
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Thanks @Molon for posting again and sharing your data...welcome back!
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Awesome post! Been thinking about an upper with one of these.
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Thanks and welcome back.
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Originally Posted By bfoosh06: @Molon , seeing a post from you is like a breath of fresh air. Excellent precision ! And .... I sure like those 10round groups !!! You taught me the need to fire 10rd groups , so I could see the real potential ( or lack off ) in a barrel. IM sent. View Quote Every time I get lazy or in a hurry and start shooting 3-5 round groups when sighting in a gun the spirit of MOLON comes around and makes me feel guilty. |
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Welcome back!
that's a very respectable group for a lightweight duty barrel. Did you use hand loaded or factory ammunition? and I'm very glad to see you posting again |
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Originally Posted By Molon: Funny you should ask. I've been waiting for months for Criterion to have a 16" CORE barrel in stock so that I can do an accuracy evaluation of one. Their website says "ON BACK ORDER, ETA APRIL/MAY 2021". .. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Molon: Originally Posted By Jonny1904: @Molon, any chance that you might have a Criterion Core to test at all? Funny you should ask. I've been waiting for months for Criterion to have a 16" CORE barrel in stock so that I can do an accuracy evaluation of one. Their website says "ON BACK ORDER, ETA APRIL/MAY 2021". .. I ordered that same barrel a couple months ago. Hoping to get it in March. |
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"There is no moral high ground in GD. We deal in hypocrisy and shit posting is our currency." - elbeefalo
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Excellent write up after seeing the other thread trashing BCM accuracy. I appreciate both perspectives.
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@molon
My 12.5 core shoots sub moa. If you are around michigan I could figure something out with you. |
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Sharp looking rifle and it’s great to see more Molon threads. I’d love to see a comparison to the 13.9 or 14.5 criterion core barrel.
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All that is necessary for Trolls to flourish, is for good men to do nothing.
In God We Trust. Everyone else must post data. |
All that is necessary for Trolls to flourish, is for good men to do nothing.
In God We Trust. Everyone else must post data. |
Originally Posted By Molon: Match grade hand-loads topped with the Sierra 52 grain MatchKing. .. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Molon: Originally Posted By MRW: Did you use hand loaded or factory ammunition? Match grade hand-loads topped with the Sierra 52 grain MatchKing. .. @Molon it is good to see you back. Hope life is treating you well. |
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Originally Posted By RDH10: Excellent write up after seeing the other thread trashing BCM accuracy. I appreciate both perspectives. View Quote Most of those complaints are because they use shit ammo and wonder why their accuracy is meh. Or they just can’t shoot for shit and blame the rifle. |
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Also welcome back Molon!
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Originally Posted By Glock9mm1990: Most of those complaints are because they use shit ammo and wonder why their accuracy is meh. Or they just can’t shoot for shit and blame the rifle. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Glock9mm1990: Originally Posted By RDH10: Excellent write up after seeing the other thread trashing BCM accuracy. I appreciate both perspectives. Most of those complaints are because they use shit ammo and wonder why their accuracy is meh. Or they just can’t shoot for shit and blame the rifle. Most? Maybe, but not all. I had one that was pretty wild with most ammo. I did my best to copy a Mon evaluation and I think I did pretty good. IIRC it was around 8MOA with M193 about 5 with MK262, about 3 with ADI 69, and about 2 with 55gr SBK and that load only. |
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