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Posted: 10/7/2003 7:28:01 AM EDT
I had originally posted this in the percision rifle section but did not get many responces. I am new to precision shooting so please excuse my ignorance. I am lookin fer a good rife that I can slowly turn into a remarkable shooter. I was thinking about the Remington 700 series but got confused to what caliber to pick. I have started my researched and found that many police departments and military use the .308(7.62) caliber. I have also found that Remington offers a 306 caliber. Now not knowing anything about rifles and only looking at the spent shell casings the 306 looks like it would be a better round for distance shooting and power. Say 750 to 1000 yards. Is this not true? Is the 308 a better round than the 306? I was hoping to spend 500 dollars for a good entry level rifle?

Also how much does barrel length play in accuracy? Remington offers a 26 inch barrel in one of their models. The average is 22inch. Are 4 extra inches that big a deal? Also how does the .332 shot?
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 8:57:19 AM EDT
306 caliber. do you mean .30-06 caliber? .308 was designed for military use to aproxamate the performance of the .30-06 on a smaller case size. The .308 can be very accurate, most "sniper" rifles are in this caliber. The .30-06 hangs on as many people (IMO as well) still has an edge in range over the .308. The .30-06 will give you better performance at the ranges you talk about, but if you are a beginner, you will not be shooting at those ranges much. Many are starting to prefer a 300 mag. of some sort for the 1,000 range. .332, are you talking about .338? Barrel length is relative to the range you will be shooting at, but not the most imprtant thing. That is a whole nother can of worms. My opinion, I would go with a 26 inch barrel for lange range shooting. If you are not going to shoot at long range to begin with, start off with a shorter (less exspensive) barrel.
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 9:39:58 AM EDT
Sorry about that. I did mean the .338 an 30-06. What does the .338 round translate to? (ex. 5.56=.223) I know that I am not that experienced in shooting at long ranges yet. That is why I was hoping to buy a gun to grow into.
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 10:17:21 AM EDT
Originally Posted By YankeeDiver: What does the .338 round translate to? (ex. 5.56=.223) I know that I am not that experienced in shooting at long ranges yet. That is why I was hoping to buy a gun to grow into.
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.338 = 8.59mm. If you're not experienced with a long range rifle, jumping into something more powerful than a 30-06 doesn't seem like the right thing to do. Start small. You can get plenty of long range accuracy out of smaller calibers... .243, .260, .284, .308, etc. And by starting small, you can spend much longer shooting, working on your technique. Qith larger calibers, you may not be able to shoot more than 20 rounds in a sitting.
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 11:48:30 AM EDT
Very good point brouhaha. I think I will go with the .308 since I all ready have an SKS and AK. Thanks fer the advice.
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 11:55:58 AM EDT
You do realize that the 7.62 used in the AK is different than the .308, right? AK = 7.62x39 .308 = 7.62x51 There's quite a bit of difference between the two. The .308 is much more powerful. Still, it's not a bad place to start. However...many of the long range shooters have migrated to cartridges utilizing the 6.5mm (260) bullet. That might be a little better for you
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 12:14:37 PM EDT
I am also a beginner in terms of actual shooting but I have read a lot and I think I can help answer some of your questions.
I am lookin fer a good rife that I can slowly turn into a remarkable shooter.
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that depends entirely on what you want to do with your rifle. will you be varmint hunting, big game hunting, target shooting, competition shooting, plinking? do looks matter? does semi auto matter? what range will you usually be shooting at? how much varition will you have in the range of your target? all these factors need to be considered when picking a rifle. that being said, the remington M700 is an excellent all around rifle, and it is what the military uses - they call it the M24. the three most common calibers for rifles are .223, .308, and .50. These calibers are not always the true diameter, 7.62mm does not always equal .300 inches even though that's what it translates too. that being said, larger calibers are used for longer range shooting, because they are heavier and maintain their velocity for a longer period of time and are less affected by the wind. .223 cartridges can go up to 1000m but my sense is that they aren't the best choice after 600m, and .300 would be best from 600-1000, and .308 would be better for up to maybe 1300m or so. For ranges greater than that and up to maybe 2000m .50 is best. (these numbers are not exact I'm just making educated guesses) so, the caliber you choose should be based on what you intend to be shooting at what range.
I have also found that Remington offers a 306 caliber.
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i thik you mean 30-06, "thiry odd six". in this case the 30 is talking about the caliber not the 06, I think it means ".300" but it might mean ".308"
Also how much does barrel length play in accuracy? Remington offers a 26 inch barrel in one of their models. The average is 22inch. Are 4 extra inches that big a deal?
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im still asking questions about this. but what I can say is this...you want a really stiff barrel because it will keep your shots accurate, and longer barrels will be less stiff because they are longer. but they will also allow more revolutions of the bullet which i think is better. fluting makes the barrel lighter and i think helps to keep the barrel stiff by making it lighter. thicker barrels, although heavier, are stiffer as well. as to how all these factors effect each other for a net result i cannot say yet.
Also how does the .332 shot?
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i dont think that is a very common round...you probably want to stick to the commonly accepted good things like .223 or .308 because i think the general population knows what it's doing
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 12:21:01 PM EDT
Link Posted: 10/7/2003 1:54:51 PM EDT
Yes a remington model 700 would be a great place to start. Try to get a 308 in a varmit or PSS. I had a Model 700 PSS it was 1/4 moa at 100 yards. Good Luck
Link Posted: 10/8/2003 6:50:29 AM EDT
Most 'thirty caliber' rifles use .308 diameter bullets. .30-30 Win 30-06 Spring 308 Win 7.62x51 300 Win Mag 30-40 Krag 300 Savage 307 Winchester 300 Rem Ultra Mag 300 WSM Some calibers are considered 7.62, but don't fire a .308 caliber bullet. The most common example being a 7.62x39 AK/SKS round which is .310 in diameter. 303 British also fires an odd sized bullet (.311) .308 is recommended because it is easy on the shoulder, and VERY plentiful.
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