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Posted: 5/12/2003 1:21:29 PM EDT
On BBC News May 12 they showed video of the new State Dept head arriving in Bagdad. His security carried an M4 with a SIR and Aimpoint! that's the first SIR I've seen in Iraq.
Link Posted: 5/12/2003 1:25:11 PM EDT
Jack (3rdtk) had a funny reply to some folks saying they hadnt been seeing any SIRs on the news etc. It was something like Iraqi's and Afganastans have been seeing them plenty, but from the front end! Hahaha!
Link Posted: 5/12/2003 2:36:51 PM EDT
You probably haven't seen a lot of them on TV because they don't show most SF guys on TV, unlike in Afghanistan when all we saw for months were SF guys. Most of the folks on TV carry around RAS/RIS rails because they're Marines or Army guys who have had these weapons for some time before 9/11. The SIR is still relatively new and probably used by only the elite SFs (same thing with the RAS II). You're not going to see those guys on TV all that much, unless you're an Iraqi as Jack says.
Link Posted: 5/12/2003 8:28:39 PM EDT
I don't believe you...LOL...just kidding...can anyone post a pick? I saw this guy and his weapon in a news piece online but the pick was so small(and I couldnt enlarge it from the web)I couldnt get a good look see! Awesome there out there!
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 8:08:36 AM EDT
[img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030514/i/1052925720.3556786261.jpg[/img] [img]http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030514/capt.1052921661.topix_iraq_us_politics_bremer_bag108.jpg[/img] [img]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030512/i/1052746149.3221323866.jpg[/img]
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 11:52:35 AM EDT
PERSEC! Where's the black boxes? :(
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 1:23:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/15/2003 1:24:04 PM EDT by SMGLee]
If you take a closer look, the stock on the gun in the second picture shows a aftermarket six position type, not the new factory Colt M4 stock. can this also be a different receiver other then a Colt?? Ahab, nice pictures as always. good job.
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 3:08:46 PM EDT
Suppose they're DSS and not military?
Link Posted: 5/15/2003 4:23:14 PM EDT
Anyone know what size barrels those are?They look a little shorter than the 14.5 but it could just be the picture.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 1:08:33 AM EDT
Homeboy sure likes sniffing his buttstock.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 1:14:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/16/2003 1:15:34 AM EDT by llanero]
Check out the new Chief's executive combat boots! The dude's ready for the office OR the urban obstacle course.
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 1:18:14 AM EDT
Brown hiking boots and black suit? [V] I assume the security is there then to rebuff the fashion police...
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 1:34:38 AM EDT
Very impressive pictures, They looked like they were ready for the SHTF. Dont think you can ever have too many magazines. The guy with the sunglasses in the second picture looks like he's ready for a quick draw.. Prosise
Link Posted: 5/16/2003 5:58:17 AM EDT
BBL. is 10.5"..........Maybe 11. Alot of these upper variants guarding Karzai and the like. Awesome as hell lookin.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 10:52:54 AM EDT
Does anyone know what type of chest-rigs these are?
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:07:55 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:08:31 AM EDT
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:34:54 AM EDT
Can anyone identify the SIR? Looks like a #50. Front sight looks like a PRI. What do you think?
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 11:57:08 AM EDT
Ugh - Checked Lightfighter and Blackhawk - no joy.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 12:29:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/19/2003 12:33:21 PM EDT by Alex_F]
Looks like a Blackhawk Strike modular chest harness: [url]http://www.lightfighter.com/Blackhawk/Vests/BHI-STRIKE-little.jpg[/url]
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 3:02:36 PM EDT
Looks almost exactly like the BH Strike vest, but the buckles are in the wrong places.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 3:04:52 PM EDT
dude should have atleast gotten black boots. geeze i bet his wife is like "what a moron he cant match!"
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 6:30:26 PM EDT
That guy Paul Bremer works for the State Department. He's a total dumb ass. I'm waiting for a Beirut-like truck bomb to enter an American compound next. The State Dept is really mucking things up over there, and American troops are going to get killed because of it.
Link Posted: 5/19/2003 6:51:28 PM EDT
Originally Posted By naloxone: Looks almost exactly like the BH Strike vest, but the buckles are in the wrong places.
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They are Blackhawk STRIKE.They're not in the wrong place.They just have the plate carrier extended.
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 7:15:25 AM EDT
Those 11" barrels neuter the 5.56 round. That guy with the M4 does look high speed though. I still wouldn't pick a fight with him. The guy with the pistol looks about 1/2 a second away from a draw. Oh to be able to walk around like that all day! I would love to walk around with my AR slung across my chest. Then nobody would ever mess with me...
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 9:21:49 AM EDT
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777: Those 11" barrels neuter the 5.56 round.
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I doubt the ones walking with the official are worried about engaging targets 300 meters out...
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 10:57:19 AM EDT
Exactly!!!!!!! And with a 75 to 100 grain round it is'nt quite neutered. Especially at cqb dis. I am sure he has it for a reason..[:)]
Link Posted: 5/20/2003 12:25:58 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Horik: I am sure he has it for a reason...
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Probably for no reason other than getting in and out of vehicles. Protection details have much more specific mission.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 9:05:27 AM EDT
I have no doubt that there is at least one sniper team somewhere in the vicinity scanning windows and rooftops. Alex
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 9:51:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/21/2003 9:55:24 AM EDT by NESurvival]
Originally Posted By John_Wayne777: That guy with the M4 does look high speed though.
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High speed...by the drive through window at McDonalds. He's at least 50 pounds overweight. I guess there is hope for the rest of us! [IMG]http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20030514/i/1052925720.3556786261.jpg[/IMG]
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 10:15:28 AM EDT
He doesn't look overweight, especially not 50 pounds over... that sag to the chest harness is probably from the weight IN the harness, not from a gut pushing it out. MHO Alex
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 10:44:49 AM EDT
Are those tactical tennis shoes the guy on the tarmac is wearing?
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 1:27:03 PM EDT
I was waiting for someone to poke at his weight (which I don't see as OVER) Looks like the harness to me. Heavens his hair looks a little gray too............etc.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 9:01:57 PM EDT
That guy who is "50# overweight" probably has been a soldier longer than you have been sitting at your computer wishing you could be a soldier. I think you'd be suprised, the Delta boy's and SF guys are just regular guys, not super humans. But they could still whup just about anyone's ass, even the "tough" guys who sit at their computers and talk real tough. The PA for our Bn. in the 82nd was a former Delta guy, he was very soft spoken (not overly loud and obnoxious, like a typical infantry joe) and relaxed, but that MF was a helluva soldier. Looked just like that guy in the photo. Not tryin to start something, but it is very easy to criticize while sitting in the comfort of our homes, not pulling security in a hostile land, contantly fearing for your life, always going to where the action is.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 10:35:55 PM EDT
That 50 lb. overweight guy looks tough with that ar strapped to his chest. I'll whoop his ass in hand to hand combat though! That is training and experience talking. He has basic fighting skills which become useless once i take him to the ground, beat on him, and then finally end his day with a choke. But that m4 sure is sweet! 3 round burst anyone?
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 10:43:18 PM EDT
i see nothing about that guy that would indicate a lack of physical ability to defend his pricipal by whatever means were at hand.
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 10:48:54 PM EDT
Believe me, that dude ain't at his first rodeo. I wonder what his kill numbers are? I bet that dude has shot more people dead than 50 rattlesnakes put together!
Link Posted: 5/21/2003 10:49:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Redbone:
Originally Posted By naloxone: Looks almost exactly like the BH Strike vest, but the buckles are in the wrong places.
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They are Blackhawk STRIKE.They're not in the wrong place.They just have the plate carrier extended.
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If you look, the buckles on their rigs are attached directly to the carrier extension. On the BH rig, you can see the buckles are not attached to the extension, but to the rigs body.
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 9:31:12 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 4digger: That 50 lb. overweight guy looks tough with that ar strapped to his chest. I'll whoop his ass in hand to hand combat though! That is training and experience talking. He has basic fighting skills which become useless once i take him to the ground, beat on him, and then finally end his day with a choke. But that m4 sure is sweet! 3 round burst anyone?
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I really hope this was sarcastic [rolleyes]
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 9:37:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 4digger: That 50 lb. overweight guy looks tough with that ar strapped to his chest. I'll whoop his ass in hand to hand combat though! That is training and experience talking. He has basic fighting skills which become useless once i take him to the ground, beat on him, and then finally end his day with a choke. But that m4 sure is sweet! 3 round burst anyone?
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Put the remote down and back away slowly...
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 10:28:53 PM EDT
wow... real live keyboard commandos.... I thought they were home to 47.net LittleJacek
Link Posted: 5/22/2003 11:34:36 PM EDT
I know, I know talk is cheap. I'm not impressing anyone. It's easy to brag over the internet, blah blah blah. 8 years of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in S. Florida Go ahead and talk shit about me, I understand. Drop your weapon and learn some hand to hand abuse from me to you!
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 12:28:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 5/23/2003 12:29:16 AM EDT by Lumpy196]
Originally Posted By 4digger: I know, I know talk is cheap. I'm not impressing anyone. It's easy to brag over the internet, blah blah blah. 8 years of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in S. Florida Go ahead and talk shit about me, I understand. Drop your weapon and learn some hand to hand abuse from me to you!
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Deciding ahead of time that you're going to win based on what you see and assume about someone you dont even know is a sure fire way to get your ass kicked on the street. Life is full of little suprises dojo-man.
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 1:16:22 AM EDT
I know two retired seals, like 82abnmedic stated they were both soft spoken. I was eager to ask him about some of his missions he was involved in. He just grinned & said he had never been on a mission. Just a bunch of "training exercises". He was 100% Native American Indian, about the same size as the SF guy in the picture. I can say this, they were never trash talkers, talked big, bragged, or ever the center of attention. I was lucky enough to hear some of his "training Missions" and believe me, I was so impressed by their professionalism, stamina, and emphasis on the word "we, our team, our unit, and our family". Never did they say I. I would say that it is a bit degrading to say your going to whoop anyone in hand to hand. I know the SEAL I am referring to would make an athiest pray!. If you ever want to get a good laugh just rent all of the Ultimate fighting championship videos at your local Blockbuster & see how all of the Martial artists that claimed to be black belt or better faired. They lost, and lost badly. Most of the winners were grapplers... That Kung Fu crap works until you get your teeth handed back to you. Like I have said before, you have two eyes, and two ears. Listen & watch twice as much as you speak. Dont let your alligator mouth overload your hummingbird butt.... This thread is designed to help others learn not warn everybody about how tough you are.. Hell I wouldnt last a second against those guys. But I do know I can run faster.... Ever seen a white Carl Lewis? [slap] Prosise Prosise
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 2:24:26 AM EDT
I too think that guy is a litle heavy. Then again, So What? It won't effect his current job, part of which is to be a shield for the "asset" he is assigned to protect. As far as the rifle. Yes there will be mobility vs efficacy considerations. That carbine is far more mobile than a rifle, which is important for getting in and out of cars. It will also be easier to retain if neccesary in a crowd situation. That carbine will be used one of 2 ways. Accurate fire to eliminate a threat, or suppressive fire to allow time to evacuate an asset. Think that carbine will fire bullets that will go through a head a 100 yds?
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 6:08:46 AM EDT
I just do not see where he is overweight. Ways more than me maybe but far from OVER(again). Look at the desceptive way the photo sags his chest rig and the fact he's wearing a dark shirt. You cannot tell where his torso starts and ends and the pic makes him look bigger......oh, not this site too!
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 6:23:42 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 4digger: I know, I know talk is cheap. I'm not impressing anyone. It's easy to brag over the internet, blah blah blah. 8 years of Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu in S. Florida Go ahead and talk shit about me, I understand. Drop your weapon and learn some hand to hand abuse from me to you!
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8 years of rolling around on the ground with sweaty men and this is the way he's learned to deal with society. I've learned that the braggarts are always the ones that cannot back it up. I've been in NHB for a while and repeatedly see guys come and go who like to talk shit but then get knocked out. Why in the hell am I even responding to this [:o)] ?
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 8:22:29 AM EDT
Dont judge a book by its cover.One of my good friends in the Corps had to get a "waiver" for his weight.He was probably one of the quickest and strongest people Ive met.And he never had a problem keeping up on a 25 mile hump either.My $.02
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 12:11:09 PM EDT
I apologize for running my mouth last night, I was in a foul mood. It is not my normal behavior to be so mouthy. I guess my emotions got the better of me. I know more than anyone not to underestimate anyone. You guys have brought me back to earth, thanks. I'm dying to slap an arms sir on my carry handle bushmaster. How much extra weight do they add? I just got a brand new aimpoint and it's dying for a home!
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 1:56:16 PM EDT
The guy is probably retired military. His job is to shoot, not hump 30 miles. He has probably put more rounds down range than we can dream about. The few Delta types I have met are fairly big dudes.
Link Posted: 5/23/2003 8:46:34 PM EDT
The VIP is in different clothing in the different shots, yet the same operator is in all the shots. He is either apart of that guys security, or general VIP security that comes. (more likely) That type of job, getting some time for PT is a luxury. Real men aren't ripped like in muscle magazines. Get a good look at a farmer, or a ship yard worker. This, is a MAN. Not switch hitting between here and porn sites in your lazy boy while polishing your bishop. Show some respect. -Steve
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