Bad day with the .22LR Conversion

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[ARCHIVED THREAD] - Bad day with the .22LR Conversion

Posted: 7/31/2010 12:58:52 PM EDT

So, I have a CMMG Stainless conversion kit. Has always run pretty well, jamming usually every 20 rounds or so. Now, today, it would literally jam every single round. I could not even chamber a round reliably. Her's about how it went. Load, chamber, fire, jam. Remove magazine pull CH, reload mag, pull CH, jam. I was using the mag that came with it and it was very well lubed. My question, do you think the magazine is the problem? I was thinking of trying some black dog magazines. If those don't work, does CMMG usually help their customers out with things like this? Note, I didn't buy it directly from CMMG.

Any help is appreciated. The gun in question is a Spikes ST-15 LE, with about 2,000 flawless rounds of .223/5.56 through her. .22LR seems to be my only problem. Knock on wood.

Thanks guys

Posted: 7/31/2010 1:04:47 PM EDT

[#1]

What ammo were you using? Did you try different ammo? 22s can be very picky when it comes to ammo.

Posted: 7/31/2010 1:31:56 PM EDT

[#2]

Quoted:
What ammo were you using? Did you try different ammo? 22s can be very picky when it comes to ammo.

I was using the Federl 40 grain. This is the same ammo I always use and is what I have found that she likes best....until today. I had some CCI. I guess I should have tried that.

Posted: 7/31/2010 1:41:43 PM EDT

[#3]

Trouble Shooting

Try the above(especially the method for buzzing chamber). SST kits aren't that picky really. The only other thing I will add is that if the kit has been disassembled, it may have been inadvertently bent. If that happens, it won't run at all.

If this doesn't get it, call us and we will get you going.

Posted: 7/31/2010 1:48:33 PM EDT

[#4]

I saw your other post in the AR thread. The rifle had problems running .223 also. Makes me wonder if you might have another issue.
As you can see above, CMMG will take care of you.

Posted: 7/31/2010 2:52:09 PM EDT

[#5]

Thanks CMMG. This is why I bought this one, because of your excellent CS reputation. I will try buzzing the chamber, as I have never done that. When I first bought the thing, it ran flawlessly for several outings. Now, it just looks like I need to give this a shot. Thank you very much.

As a side note, I just hand cycled a bunch of .223 with no issues. Seems like that bent .223 round came that way. Hopefully, I'll be good to go after giving this a shot. Thanks all.

Posted: 7/31/2010 3:15:49 PM EDT

[#6]

Quoted:
Thanks CMMG. This is why I bought this one, because of your excellent CS reputation. I will try buzzing the chamber, as I have never done that. When I first bought the thing, it ran flawlessly for several outings. Now, it just looks like I need to give this a shot. Thank you very much.

As a side note, I just hand cycled a bunch of .223 with no issues. Seems like that bent .223 round came that way. Hopefully, I'll be good to go oafter giving this a shot. Thanks all.

I always buzz my kits after every outing. I definitely recommend doing this. I there is crud in the chamber, momentum is lost during extraction and the result is fte, ftf and failure to reset hammer. That shroud get you going.

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Posted: 7/31/2010 6:03:27 PM EDT

[#7]

ive ran a few thousand rounds though my cmmg, had a few ftf dureing the breakin, mine works perfect, useing it in an old pwa commando a1. shooting mostly federal value and cci's, no remington or winchester

Posted: 7/31/2010 6:38:57 PM EDT

[#8]

Quoted:
ive ran a few thousand rounds though my cmmg, had a few ftf dureing the breakin, mine works perfect, useing it in an old pwa commando a1. shooting mostly federal value and cci's, no remington or winchester

Mine has been problem free also.

Posted: 8/1/2010 4:58:57 AM EDT

[#9]

Quoted:

Quoted:
What ammo were you using? Did you try different ammo? 22s can be very picky when it comes to ammo.

I was using the Federl 40 grain. This is the same ammo I always use and is what I have found that she likes best....until today. I had some CCI. I guess I should have tried that.

Was this a new box of Federal, or one you have been shooting for awhile? I just recently got a box of bad Federal bulk from Walmart. I had numerous failures in my M&P 15-22 and my wifes .22 pistol would not cycle it at all.

Posted: 8/1/2010 8:07:07 AM EDT

[#10]

Quoted:

Quoted:
What ammo were you using? Did you try different ammo? 22s can be very picky when it comes to ammo.

I was using the Federl 40 grain. This is the same ammo I always use and is what I have found that she likes best....until today. I had some CCI. I guess I should have tried that.

Was this a new box of Federal, or one you have been shooting for awhile? I just recently got a box of bad Federal bulk from Walmart. I had numerous failures in my M&P 15-22 and my wifes .22 pistol would not cycle it at all.

A new box. Not the bulk stuff from Walmart. Could be bad ammo, but I will try what the gentleman from CMMG recommended.

Posted: 8/1/2010 9:16:30 AM EDT

[#11]

Federal Bulk has been crap for a couple years now. I can hear the difference when shooting in the load. Too bad Federal would let their QC slide like that.

Posted: 8/1/2010 10:33:35 AM EDT

[#12]

Quoted:

Federal Bulk has been crap for a couple years now. I can hear the difference when shooting in the load. Too bad Federal would let their QC slide like that.

I completely agree with this and it actually causes malfunctions in some of my 10/22's and one of my buckmarks.

But it runs virtually flawless in my CMMG stainless and Spikes kit.

Posted: 8/1/2010 1:06:20 PM EDT

[#13]

My parked conversion KILLED me today in 3 gun. It hung up 3 out of four stages ! Absolutely destroyed my times. I am using cci mini mags. The funny thing is it ran fine on the last stage

I have approx 2500 rounds thru this unit. At the last shoot it ran 50% shooting good 2 for 4 stages. I CLEANED AND OILED THE SHIT OUT OF THE UNIT B-TWEEN SHOOTS.

My unit seems to have the most problems with ejecting spent cases or feeding new ones into the empty chamber( bent bullets halfway into the chamber).

I am considering a dedicated 22lr upper or a Sig552 if this type of performance continues. 1 more chance for this thing next month or it goes in the toy drawer.

Posted: 8/1/2010 1:12:05 PM EDT

[#14]

Quoted:
My parked conversion KILLED me today in 3 gun. It hung up 3 out of four stages ! Absolutely destroyed my times. I am using cci mini mags. The funny thing is it ran fine on the last stage

I have approx 2500 rounds thru this unit. At the last shoot it ran 50% shooting good 2 for 4 stages. I CLEANED AND OILED THE SHIT OUT OF THE UNIT B-TWEEN SHOOTS.
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My unit seems to have the most problems with ejecting spent cases or feeding new ones into the empty chamber( bent bullets halfway into the chamber).

I am considering a dedicated 22lr upper or a Sig552 if this type of performance continues. 1 more chance for this thing next month or it goes in the toy drawer.

If the kit hasnt been dissasembled, possibly bending the frame it sounds chamber related. See link to trouble shoot above above.

If it has run 2500rds, it is likely one of these.

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Posted: 9/5/2010 1:30:02 PM EDT

[#15]

Tried the brass brush and drill polishing technique recommended by CMMG. The first stage in todays 3 gun match I had trouble charging the gun (first round 2/3rds chambered). Lost a bullet getting it sorted out ( -5 seconds) + time clearing. Once loaded the rifle ran 100%. For the hell of it I switched to Federal bulk pak form CCI mini mags for the last 3 stages. My rifle ran 100% on all 3 !

WooHoo!!!

Posted: 9/6/2010 6:46:14 AM EDT

[#16]

Glad you got it worked out. I've never had the parkerized until, only the stainless. I still buzz my chamber. Even using copper washed ammo, it gets build up.
I can run Rem subs for about 10-15 rounds. Then it won't feed due to build up. I can clean the ramp and chamber and run another few rounds.
But like someone else said, it runs the crappy Fed bulk reliably. With as inconsistant as it is, I don't see how. Bang, pop, hiss, bang...

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