You sight in the Buis by changing the elevation with the front sight. The buis is really for emergency use if the optic breaks. Besides I doubt that many M16s with rear elevation knobs ever get changed in battle. I suspect most people sight in their rifle and leave the elevation setting alone after that, maybe holding high or low as they feel necessary.

Actually my LMT does have an elevation knob.

Quoted: WHY IS THAT MOST OF YOUR BUIS DO NOT COME WITH A ELEVATION KNOB? THANKS CATFISH

NO NEED!



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As a long range shooter, I feel better about having an elevation and windage adjustment on my back up iron sights.

If my optic is damaged, and I can't get replacement, I might still want to be able to use the gun at a longer distance . With my BUIS, I can do that if I want.

There is a small amount of difference in weight and size, but that is not a big enough concern to me to over-ride the additional benefit to me. For the additional ounce or so that they weigh, it's worth it to me for the flexibility in use. Also, if I want to just use the gun as an iron-sighted carbine to save the weight and bulk that comes with optics mounted, I can just remove the optic and still have fully adjustable sights.

For other users who have no desire to take a long shot with irons, then they don't need it.

I've shot many 600yd matches with irons, and they can work just fine if you know how to use them.
And BTW, they still work just fine as backup CQB irons too.

Quoted: As a long range shooter, I feel better about having an elevation and windage adjustment on my back up iron sights. If my optic is damaged, and I can't get replacement, I might still want to be able to use the gun at a longer distance . With my BUIS, I can do that if I want. There is a small amount of difference in weight and size, but that is not a big enough concern to me to over-ride the additional benefit to me. For the additional ounce or so that they weigh, it's worth it to me for the flexibility in use. Also, if I want to just use the gun as an iron-sighted carbine to save the weight and bulk that comes with optics mounted, I can just remove the optic and still have fully adjustable sights. For other users who have no desire to take a long shot with irons, then they don't need it. I've shot many 600yd matches with irons, and they can work just fine if you know how to use them. And BTW, they still work just fine as backup CQB irons too.

It is just one more thing to break IMHO (and have seen them break). As a Civy, you will most likely NEVER have to defend yourself past the length of your own home. If you do shoot at someone out past 25yds, the police will most likely try and get you for man slaughter.



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C4iGrant,
I have stated my preference, and indicated that others may feel different and use something else.
That's all.

I have my needs and don't need to be told what use I can use the sights for and what I can't.

I've been a competition shooter for most of my life, and I know what I want and why I want it.

What's next? Telling me I don't need W&E adjustments in my Aimpoint either?

And what if I don't want to mount my Aimpoint? Should I then be limited to one close-range sight adjustment? All current carry-handle models of AR15 have W&E adjustments in them. Should I be less well-equipped just because I have a flattop?

Maybe others don't need what I need, but I know quite well what I need and want.

Sorry if you don't sell any W&E adjustable backup sights, but I can't help that. I don't sell any sights. But I know what sights I want to use on my own gun.

I can perfectly understand the reasoning for no adjustments. And I also perfectly understand the reasoning for adjustments, too.

The concept of "I don't sell it, or I don't use it, so nobody else needs it", is not a terribly enlightened viewpoint.

I don't think I deserved the "strange looking smiley face", when I had perfectly acceptable reasons for wanting what I use on my rifle. And I'm not pushing my view on anybody else, either.

Quoted: C4iGrant, I have stated my preference, and indicated that others may feel different and use something else. That's all. I have my needs and don't need to be told what use I can use the sights for and what I can't. I've been a competition shooter for most of my life, and I know what I want and why I want it. What's next? Telling me I don't need W&E adjustments in my Aimpoint either? And what if I don't want to mount my Aimpoint? Should I then be limited to one close-range sight adjustment? All current carry-handle models of AR15 have W&E adjustments in them. Should I be less well-equipped just because I have a flattop? Maybe others don't need what I need, but I know quite well what I need and want. Sorry if you don't sell any W&E adjustable backup sights, but I can't help that. I don't sell any sights. But I know what sights I want to use on my own gun. I can perfectly understand the reasoning for no adjustments. And I also perfectly understand the reasoning for adjustments, too. The concept of "I don't sell it, or I don't use it, so nobody else needs it", is not a terribly enlightened viewpoint. I don't think I deserved the "strange looking smiley face", when I had perfectly acceptable reasons for wanting what I use on my rifle. And I'm not pushing my view on anybody else, either.

Well to set the record straight, to each their own on BUIS's. I wasn't critizing you choice, simply stating that it might not be the best choice (based on my experience) for CQB/HD.

I also DO sell a BUIS with elevation built into it (LMT). I also sell carry handles so your point that "I don't sell so I won't promote it" doens't fly!

Since your new to the board I will let you in a little secret. I am not the type of dealer that basis his opinion on the gear he sells. My opinion of gear is based upon my PERSONAL experience with something (not something I read on the internet).

FYI, the frowny face at the end of my comment was for the fact that most District Attorneys will try and get you for man slaughter if you shoot someone outside your home and claim personal defense.


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Quoted: Quoted: C4iGrant, I have stated my preference, and indicated that others may feel different and use something else. That's all. I have my needs and don't need to be told what use I can use the sights for and what I can't. I've been a competition shooter for most of my life, and I know what I want and why I want it. What's next? Telling me I don't need W&E adjustments in my Aimpoint either? And what if I don't want to mount my Aimpoint? Should I then be limited to one close-range sight adjustment? All current carry-handle models of AR15 have W&E adjustments in them. Should I be less well-equipped just because I have a flattop? Maybe others don't need what I need, but I know quite well what I need and want. Sorry if you don't sell any W&E adjustable backup sights, but I can't help that. I don't sell any sights. But I know what sights I want to use on my own gun. I can perfectly understand the reasoning for no adjustments. And I also perfectly understand the reasoning for adjustments, too. The concept of "I don't sell it, or I don't use it, so nobody else needs it", is not a terribly enlightened viewpoint. I don't think I deserved the "strange looking smiley face", when I had perfectly acceptable reasons for wanting what I use on my rifle. And I'm not pushing my view on anybody else, either. If you are using iron sights without your optic, then they are not BUIS anymore are they? remember the BU stands for backup. If you want a REMOVEABLE iron sight with windage and elevation that's great, but in the BU role being discussed the adjustments are not necessary.   I think you took the discussion a bit out of context.

Agree! If your SOLE sighting system IS your irons then you SHOULD have EVERY option available. This discussion is about BUIS's (no primary iron sights).


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Grant,
Thanks for clearing up my misunderstanding of your comments.

Tom

Quoted: Grant, Thanks for clearing up my misunderstanding of your comments. Tom

No problem Tom.



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Quoted: i hope i did not cause any animosity between anyone,i was just curious about the elevation knob. we used them on our a2's in the corps. and i would probably use my carbine to take a deer or two. i really like the troy site, i noticed it did not have any elevation than realized most of the sites had none. so i guess if i want a troy then i will have to hold high when punching out to 300-350 yrds. thanks for the info catfish

No worries friend. We all have thick skins around here!



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