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Posted: 10/9/2004 9:34:50 PM EDT
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Since you have an EOTech, you should have it in case you run out of batteries. Basically, you may go you entire life without needing it. But if you need it, you really need it. Better to lug around 2 oz. of overpirce aluminum or steel, and never have it, than to go without and have your EOTech run out of batteries while kidnappers load your kids into the van.
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Posted: 10/9/2004 9:55:01 PM EDT
[#2]
Same reason you load with more than one round in your mag... just in case
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Posted: 10/9/2004 10:03:36 PM EDT
[#3]
NEVER underestimate the "cool factor". Oh!,... sorry,..... I just noticed you're from Washington,...the state, no less. Well , down here in sunny, southern California we MUST have the "cool factor" meter pegged at all times.
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Posted: 10/9/2004 10:07:24 PM EDT
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I've noticed that about Californians. I do believe a Californian would comb his hair in the middle of a gun battle if he thought the news crew was coming. Its sad really
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Posted: 10/9/2004 10:08:37 PM EDT
[#5]
+1
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Posted: 10/9/2004 10:15:38 PM EDT
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The Eotech has a low battery meter I believe. But let's just say for argument sake the batteries were dead, the kids were being kidnapped, the front sight along with the barrel of the gun should give you plenty of site or even just centering the eotech should be fine. To me, I just don't get it. |
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Posted: 10/9/2004 10:17:47 PM EDT
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I like to take my Aimpoint off and run the BUIS sometimes. If you don't want one, that's cool. Lumpy196 doesn't run a BUIS on his A4gery. He says if he breaks his ACOG he'll be too busy crying to keep shooting.
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Posted: 10/9/2004 10:21:50 PM EDT
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I have a BUIS so that when it's in the middle of a match, the timer is running and I realize that I forgot to turn the Aimpoint on I can still hit the first set of targets without losing any time, then turn on the Aimpoint while I'm moving to the next set.
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Posted: 10/9/2004 11:03:53 PM EDT
[#9]
OK, well first off redundancy is king, pure and simple. It's nice to be able to flip up (i use ARMS 40) your BUIS and have a good sight if your EOTech goes tit up. In reality, I can get away without that feature for close in stuff, because my EOTech is co-witnessed and can be used as esentially a really big ghost ring if needs be. The main reason I have it, though, is so I can put acurate fire on at 200+ yards. I find the irons much more accurate for long distance stuff than dot sights.
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Posted: 10/10/2004 12:21:27 AM EDT
[#10]
$100 for a BUIS is cheap insurance if you ever REALLY need them.
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Posted: 10/10/2004 1:10:04 AM EDT
[#11]
?????????? do you have a spare tire in your vehical?  Jack |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 1:41:48 AM EDT
[#12]
As a side-note (not a hijack) glad to see ya back Jack. Lot's of times you've made me mad but I learn from ya too so it's worth it & I mean it - welcome home
 . Now (and I WILL NOT mention ANY brands)  hi Teknic, I guess it's mostly an individual preference deal really. I have a weapon in case I need it for protection. Most of the time (for a civilian anyway) it's probably close-range if ya need it. I think the best sight for that is some sort of non-parallax red-dot type so that's why I picked one (& maybe you too). However, rifles are also fun and, for me, a red-dot isn't as much fun for paper-punching so I wanted irons too. Now.... Personally, I don't care for irons in my view if I ever REALLY need to use the weapon so I also invested in flip-up BUIS front & rear and store the weapon with a combat light attached. I just keep an eye on battery power plus reasonably frequent functional checks. Not a real big percentage added to the cost of a reliable platform anyway and I have everything I want with one package - tool and toy. <edit> Not a hijack but I guess it was a "hi Jack". 
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Posted: 10/10/2004 2:03:51 AM EDT
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Regarding loss of red-dot battery power, here's another thread you might want to look at when you decide. I don't know if you've run across Lumpy before but in case you haven't, I'm sure he's MUCH better at this than I would be but....
I'm not trying to say a red-dot without good batteries is okay but, from my perspective, the need to get the BUIS in-play within one heartbeat might not be all that important in a really close-range encounter. YMMV. |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 2:14:57 AM EDT
[#14]
you really don't... its just if your crazy like most of us...
most people create the best gun possible... that does require a BUIS... on battery optics expecally... i like the idea of having irons to shoot too.. i have two shooting options... if one gets knocked out of wack... you have the other |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 9:30:12 AM EDT
[#15]
LOL! You're probably correct, well, at least I thought it was funny. |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 10:01:17 AM EDT
[#16]
For most of us, if we run out of battery life, we will either change the batteries (you guys carry spares, right?) or go home. If your ever in a situation where your optic goes down, its better to have trained using the backup iron sights so you are better prepared and know HOW to use them.
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Posted: 10/10/2004 10:24:40 AM EDT
[#17]
If you'd shoot that way with your kids involved, then you are a better shot than me OR extremely wreckless. |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 10:35:39 AM EDT
[#18]
It really isn't a matter of batteries, but is a matter of the dot optic breaking at the worst possible time. ALL optics break and a BUIS is really the only thing you can depend on. Not only do I have a dot optic and a BUIS, but also a Laser Devices OTAL as I like a third sighting device!
Remember, two is one and one is none!!!C4 |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 12:19:23 PM EDT
[#19]
Back Up Iron Sight
Ive never seen a term so self-explanatory.........until now apparently. |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 12:24:18 PM EDT
[#20]
For the same reason you have seatbelts in, and insurance on, your motor vehicle. Hopefully, they will turn out to be a complete waste of money. But......
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Posted: 10/10/2004 12:58:35 PM EDT
[#21]
The term sort of speaks for itself. |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 1:53:08 PM EDT
[#22]
I am of the contention the any back up is better than NO back up. if you cant bring yourself to shell out the dough for a mechanically and functionally superior 100 dollar unit, then please at least get some knock off airsoft BUIS for 30 or 40 bucks.
I cant believe i suggested that, but like i said, SOME back up is better than NONE. a 53 dollar option is listed here: http://www.redwolfairsoft.com/redwolf/airsoft/Category?menu1=8&menu2=114 |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 2:18:44 PM EDT
[#23]
Something you're forgetting...... it's good to know HOW to shoot with irons, not just have them "in case." Most rifles in this world don't have fancy red dots.
I have a fixed BUIS with my EoTech. I love it because I can just turn OFF the optic and practice with irons. At 3-gun matches I'll shoot the match a couple times, once with the EOTech, once with irons. No taking crap off the rifle, moving levers, etc. I just turn off the dot and shoot. *IF* the optic should fail (or I forget to turn it on before a 3-gun stage or before TSHTF).... I can just shoot with my setup. Don't have to remove or add or adjust anything so long as I can see through the lenses. |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 2:21:04 PM EDT
[#24]
Murphy
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Posted: 10/10/2004 2:27:58 PM EDT
[#25]
I had to use the BUIS when my Aimpoint intensity knob was bumped during a 3-gun match.
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Posted: 10/10/2004 3:35:51 PM EDT
[#26]
I take it your rifle is not used for duty / combat? (otherwise I can't imagine this question being asked hers
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Posted: 10/10/2004 6:20:05 PM EDT
[#27]
You need a BUIS because at every carbine class I've taken at least once I hear "SHIT" and see someone reach for their optic's intensity/[ON][OFF] button after the "FIRE" command was given...
...and that guy knew he was about to shoot and didn't have anyone shooting at him. Totally non-stress environment yet he wasn't prepared and had no backup system in place. Bad juju. Other times your optic could become so damaged that it has to be taken off the rifle, preventing you from even using it as a ghost-ring sight, so without BUIS you're screwed. |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 6:30:37 PM EDT
[#28]
I decided I dont need ANY sighting device. Im just going to bump fire from now on.
WOOOOOOOOOO! - I MISSED! Anyone need an Aimpoint, a TA31 ACOG, an A3 carry handle, a LaRue BUIS, and a Troy BUIS? |
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Posted: 10/10/2004 7:58:52 PM EDT
[#29]
Nah, I've decide to change to exclusively HB ARs: I fire all 30 rounds at once, then when the targets get close I club them to death.
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Posted: 10/10/2004 8:09:30 PM EDT
[#30]
not to get too off this very interesting discussion, but I went to the range today. First time in a long time. It totally sucked ass too. Gnats were swarming and bug spray did not help. Not to mention we had some real morons next to us... the one guy took his AK, stepped out right in front of me and was like... "watch this". He proceeded to bump fire his AK and send a few rounds over the berm... needless to say I was impressed.
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Posted: 10/11/2004 7:05:49 AM EDT
[#31]
I should have stated I use my AR mainly for ranges. I have a shotgun for home defense and my 9mm is what I carry. But, now I'm convinced I need a BUIS because of your thoughts. Thanks for opening my mind. This forum is just awesome.
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Posted: 10/11/2004 7:14:23 AM EDT
[#32]
I thought you Aimpiont guys never turned the damned things off!
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Posted: 10/11/2004 7:30:11 AM EDT
[#33]
The guys with the current generation Aimpoints may leave them on all the time, but those of us with older models don't have such luxuries. It's almost as bad as having an EoTech.
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Posted: 10/11/2004 7:38:59 AM EDT
[#34]
BUIS
For when your Aimpoint either falls off or falls apart. Maybe for a long range shot when your Aimpoint dot is gone...for some reason??? Otherwise it (Aimpoint Tube) makes a dandy ghost ring sight even if it is off |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 9:55:12 AM EDT
[#35]
Ok, time to hijack the thread for a second...
End of hijack. |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 10:15:20 AM EDT
[#36]
The one thing I do not like about my EOTech rev F is how difficult it is to turn it on and turn it off. If I were involved in teh decision-making for the next revision (rev "G"!), it would be to add a simple-to-operate, dedicated on/off switch. |
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Posted: 10/11/2004 10:46:39 AM EDT
[#37]
Kinda like the Aimpoint? Bob |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 8:27:11 AM EDT
[#38]
Seatbelts, Insurance, Fire Extinguishers, Extra Ammo and Magazines. Spare Tires. Etc. Etc. The odds are you will never be in a gunfight. But when Mr. Murphy of Murphys Law fame rears his ugly head, things usually get very very ugly very quickly. It took 19 yrs. of Law Enforcement to end up in a shooting. When it happened anything that could jump on the wagon and take a ride did so. And that bastard Murphy was driving. I would add one thing, ammo practice, ammo practice, bolt ons and toys won't help in the end. Your skill will. But a good BUIS is pretty cheap insurnace at any price.
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Posted: 10/15/2004 8:35:41 AM EDT
[#39]
didn't I see someone mention they needed their BUIS once because they bumped the knob on their aimpoint and fubar'd the brightness? I'll take tough-to-turn-off over easy-to-screw-up anyday! rvb |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 9:16:22 AM EDT
[#40]
No, he said he forgot to turn it on. that is operator error. not an ergonomic problem. Bob |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 9:34:21 AM EDT
[#41]
RVB, here is the quote you were looking for.
As far as an EOTech being hard to turn on, I don't get that at all. Push a button. Either up or down.  Why do you need BUIS? Besides all the great answers listed above...because it looks cool. |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 9:41:46 AM EDT
[#42]
Anyone else find this comment unusual? You're not supposed to be using the optic with any sight - its an independant sighting device. Cowitness is for the irons (front & rear) so you can verify zeros - or switch rapidly to your BUIS. |
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Posted: 10/15/2004 9:52:01 AM EDT
[#43]
I was in your boat and I coughed up the money anyway. I doubt I will ever use mine for defense but I would like to be able to shoot with irons or with my eotech. A flatop also looks empty without a BUIS. I also feel you should be proficient with irons and red dot.
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