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Posted: 12/15/2009 12:26:54 PM EDT
Are thse two about the same? I know that Colt is good, but what about BCM?

Also, is there a big difference between the midlength gas system and the carbine gas system as far as function and reliablity?
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 12:34:12 PM EDT
I vote for the Mid-length BCM.

BCM for the customer service
Midlength for the smoother function.
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 12:34:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Overton-AR:
I vote for the Mid-length BCM.

BCM for the customer service
Midlength for the smoother function.


+1
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 12:36:59 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Overton-AR:
I vote for the Mid-length BCM.

BCM for the customer service
Midlength for the smoother function.


The above, plus the simple fact that there is no sacrifice in quality, and BCM is less $$
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 12:40:26 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Originally Posted By Overton-AR:
I vote for the Mid-length BCM.

BCM for the customer service
Midlength for the smoother function.


The above, plus the simple fact that there is no sacrifice in quality, and BCM is less $$


and a lifetime warranty, compared to a 1 yr warranty.......its like a sore PP, you can't beat it. My next AR will be a BCM.

Link Posted: 12/15/2009 12:46:50 PM EDT
BCM  all day long over COLT.
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 12:48:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/15/2009 12:48:51 PM EDT by callahan318]
Originally Posted By charliehorse794:
BCM  all day long over COLT.


If they are equal why?

Do they park under the gas block?
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 12:51:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/15/2009 12:53:59 PM EDT by GMZ]
BCM middy all the way

Originally Posted By callahan318:

If they are equal why?

Do they park under the gas block?


Less money, better company and CS, site sponsor, etc, etc, etc.

Originally Posted By BravoCompanyUSA.com:
BCM barrels are phosphated before installation of front sights..

Link Posted: 12/15/2009 12:55:17 PM EDT
Only reason to go with Colt would be resale value. A lot of people have never heard of BCM.
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 12:55:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/15/2009 12:56:09 PM EDT by JonLSU]
Whichever you can get the cheapest.  

Colt 6920's are around 1000-1150 new
BCM Complete upper - $625

If you can get a good quality lower with quality parts for under $400 then go for BCM.  If not just get the colt.
They are virtually the same.  Both great quality rifles.
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 12:59:13 PM EDT
BCM all the way. I love my BCM middy you can't go wrong there. They are awesome and you can't beat the CS they provide.
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 1:00:01 PM EDT
If I was buying new, I'd get a midlength.
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 1:04:46 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 87GN:
If I was buying new, I'd get a midlength.


87GN,

What are the advantages of a midlength?

What length of rails can you use on them? 9" on a midlength?

Link Posted: 12/15/2009 1:09:10 PM EDT
Slightly longer sight radius, ability to grip the weapon farther out = better control of the weapon, lower operating pressures. Some say reduced recoil.



You can use anything 9" or longer depending on the gas block. If it's designed to "drop in" then you'll need a 9" drop in rail.
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 1:12:00 PM EDT
Ok, that makes sense.

Is the sight radius closer to that of a standard 20"?
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 1:15:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/15/2009 1:16:00 PM EDT by 87GN]
Not exactly, it's kinda in the middle.



...Hence the name...



Link Posted: 12/15/2009 1:16:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By callahan318:
Originally Posted By 87GN:
If I was buying new, I'd get a midlength.


87GN,

What are the advantages of a midlength?

What length of rails can you use on them? 9" on a midlength?



Do some reading on mid length vs carbine...Lot of topics the subject here...
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 1:19:14 PM EDT
I think I will do some looking around, and go from there.

BCM seems to be a good contender for my AR choice as of now.
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 2:03:57 PM EDT
COLT!!!
















Or BCM they are both GTG.
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 2:05:52 PM EDT
I have both and I like to shoot the BCM more than the Colt.
certexas
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 2:30:26 PM EDT
I hate these threads.




Both are fantastic, and contrary to what some will tell you, both have great customer service. I would feel naked without a 6920, but BCM is also top notch gear and should be present in everyone's collections. You really must get both. I love my BCM midlength, it is just a fantastic weapon with all the chart features of a Colt 6920.
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 2:37:02 PM EDT
I have a 6920 and 2 BCMs. I  rate them equally, both are top notch, can't  go wrong with either.

BCM 14.5" M4


BCM Middy


Colt 6920 (with Colt 14.5" upper, extended FH)
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 2:38:17 PM EDT
BCM
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 2:45:11 PM EDT
+1 for BCM
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 3:00:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Originally Posted By Overton-AR:
I vote for the Mid-length BCM.

BCM for the customer service
Midlength for the smoother function.


The above, plus the simple fact that there is no sacrifice in quality, and BCM is less $$


+1
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 3:03:12 PM EDT
+1 BCM

Both are great products but Colt only wants to sell to military and LEO


I have 2 colts and 3 BCM

just my .02

Joe
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 3:06:07 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Uaheclipse24:
Originally Posted By Overton-AR:
I vote for the Mid-length BCM.

BCM for the customer service
Midlength for the smoother function.


+1


All the way FTW!

BCM Midlength

Link Posted: 12/15/2009 3:06:17 PM EDT
BCM
Better CS, no arrogance, no chance of being the one to get the crop circles
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 3:09:32 PM EDT
I would choose the BCM but both are the same quality in my opinion.
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 3:11:31 PM EDT
Originally Posted By AR15JoeL:
+1 BCM

Both are great products but Colt only wants to sell to military and LEO


I have 2 colts and 3 BCM

just my .02

Joe


Wrong!
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 3:14:19 PM EDT
Originally Posted By JonLSU:
Whichever you can get the cheapest.  

Colt 6920's are around 1000-1150 new
BCM Complete upper - $625

If you can get a good quality lower with quality parts for under $400 then go for BCM.  If not just get the colt.
They are virtually the same.  Both great quality rifles.


You can buy the Bravo company complete lower for 350 plus shipping and ffl transfer.

Anyway I'd go with a bravo company mid lenght upper with a  cold hammer forged barreled and a bravo company bcg. If you want a rail get one of their uppers with a DD or Larue rail. Maybe add a gunfighter handle. Really either gun should be fine but I'd go with the bravo company one over the colt. the chf barrel and better support would be the big reasons. Plus you can get it from them with the rail installed if you want it(I would). For sights I'd get either an lmt or kac rear sight and a troy front sight if you don't get an upper with the a2 front one.
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 3:14:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Catman2:
BCM
Better CS, no arrogance, no chance of being the one to get the crop circles


Crop circles?

Link Posted: 12/15/2009 3:18:44 PM EDT
Originally Posted By callahan318:
Originally Posted By Catman2:
BCM
Better CS, no arrogance, no chance of being the one to get the crop circles


Crop circles?



A blemish on the lower caused by a fixture during machining steps.  Not very noticeable under regular light but made famous by digital flash photography and Internet whiners.  Basically no big deal.
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 3:28:06 PM EDT
Oh, ok.
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 3:35:57 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Marksman14:
Originally Posted By Overton-AR:
I vote for the Mid-length BCM.

BCM for the customer service
Midlength for the smoother function.


The above, plus the simple fact that there is no sacrifice in quality, and BCM is less $$


Link Posted: 12/15/2009 3:41:36 PM EDT
I believe they are very, very close in terms of quality and durability.  I would give BCM the edge on fit and finish, but Colt the edge on resale value (brand name reputation).
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 3:52:56 PM EDT
Originally Posted By bowslngr:
I believe they are very, very close in terms of quality and durability.  I would give BCM the edge on fit and finish, but Colt the edge on resale value (brand name reputation).






except colt   was the 1st and  has forgotten more trade secrets  about MFG AR15s than anyone else and has  over 50 years experience making AR15/M16s


but BCM is a damn damn good product
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 3:55:30 PM EDT
BCM, proof that you can have a tier 1 AR without having to make excuses for or settle for all the fit and finish imperfections.
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 4:18:39 PM EDT
If theirs no chance you will ever want to sell it or if you want a mid length BCM



Colt is always going to have better resale value.
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 7:19:11 PM EDT
Originally Posted By kwrangln:
BCM, proof that you can have a tier 1 AR without having to make excuses for or settle for all the fit and finish imperfections.


I have seen people complain about both fit and finish on BCM.  People will complain about anything.
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 7:56:01 PM EDT
Originally Posted By CTbuilder1:
Originally Posted By callahan318:
Originally Posted By Catman2:
BCM
Better CS, no arrogance, no chance of being the one to get the crop circles


Crop circles?



A blemish on the lower caused by a fixture during machining steps.  Not very noticeable under regular light but made famous by digital flash photography and Internet whiners.  Basically no big deal.


Ha, no whining here because I buy BCM.

Link Posted: 12/15/2009 8:00:04 PM EDT
Originally Posted By charliehorse794:
BCM  all day long over COLT.


Link Posted: 12/15/2009 9:08:45 PM EDT
What are the accuracy norms (with optics) of the two with M193 ball (preferably IMI because that's what I keep in supply)?

Looking for decent (~1.5 MOA) or so at 100 and hopefully 300M from the bench. (No three shot groups, please.) :)
Link Posted: 12/15/2009 9:25:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/15/2009 9:29:40 PM EDT by Catman2]
Originally Posted By shootist87122:
What are the accuracy norms (with optics) of the two with M193 ball (preferably IMI because that's what I keep in supply)?

Looking for decent (~1.5 MOA) or so at 100 and hopefully 300M from the bench. (No three shot groups, please.) :)


With my 14.5, after walking the red dot up&over with the first five shots, here is a five shot group with XM193 @ 50m with three in one hole.



Link Posted: 12/16/2009 5:42:14 AM EDT
BCM
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 9:04:25 AM EDT
BCM mid-length would be my choice.

I have a Sabre 16" mid-length with a BCM bolt carrier group.

BCM makes some great stuff.

I have 3 AR's, a 20" HB, a 14.5 carbine w/perm FH and the 16" mid-length.
The mid-length is by far my favorite.

Colt is very good too of course, I had an AR15A2 a long time ago but I don't think they make a mid-length.
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 4:03:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 12/16/2009 4:09:35 PM EDT by Kappes]
Colt 40 years of making a product for the US military . No brainer . BCM quality is nice but lets all think about it for real before you post .
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 4:16:21 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Kappes:
Colt 40 years of making a product for the US military . No brainer . BCM quality is nice but lets all think about it for real before you post .


Not to mention that they are the ones who developed the TDP for the M16 and M4.


But even with that said BCM makes an excellent product as well as a middy configuration which Colt does not offer.  If BCM vs Colt is the option you find yourself in a win win situation.
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 4:17:14 PM EDT
Both are top of the line and of equal quality. Colt will have the higher resale value and name recognition if you care about that type of thing. However I prefer BCM because you get a lifetime warranty

instead of a 1 year and I prefer midlengths on 16" barrels. Really you should get both during your lifetime. Colt for the history and BCM for the smooth shooting middy
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 4:21:11 PM EDT
for the older model colts, it may use larger non-mil-spec pins. this may lead to a hassle determining if you have larger trigger/hammer pins or the small ones.

bcm is a good company and so is colt you cant go wrong
Link Posted: 12/16/2009 4:22:49 PM EDT
I think this qualifies as one of those good problems to have.....
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