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Posted: 12/13/2016 8:55:31 PM EDT
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I can't justify spending $200 for a fancy drop-in trigger.
I was able to get a decent factory trigger on my Colt M4 using the "para-cord trigger job". It's easy as hell to do, doesn't cost anything, alters nothing, and it's beats the shit out of the factory trigger.  Paracord AR-15 Trigger Job |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 9:02:00 PM EDT
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I have a pistol I'm building....Home defense/range/SHTF type of pistol. Palmetto Freedom 10.5 upper KAK tube and brace Looking at a run of the mill Spikes lower.. Is there a point where buying a upper class trigger just a waste of money or for what I have just a decent mil-spec trigger good enough? thanks Rich Nothing wrong with a mil spec trigger. Sure, there are nicer trigger's out there, and I have a few. But if anything, I would maybe put a BCM or ALG milspec trigger and call it a day. If you aren't shooting for groups or wanting an ulralight 3 gun trigger, nothing wrong with milspec. As long as it goes bang. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 9:34:20 PM EDT
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another alternative is to us JP trigger reduced power springs, drops a mil spec trigger down to around 3.5#. I've done this a few times when I didn't want to put high end triggers in my guns but wanted better than just mil spec and its worked great, especially when you use them with a NiB mil spec trigger
I once watched a You Tube vid of some guy installing the lightest possible trigger return spring onto his S&W revolver. He proudly demonstrated how he could actuate the trigger with a toothpick. A slender toothpick, grasped from it's very end point. Now, that might be OK for a dedicated range gum, but for a Home Defense weapon? NO WAY! |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 9:38:48 PM EDT
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another alternative is to us JP trigger reduced power springs, drops a mil spec trigger down to around 3.5#. I've done this a few times when I didn't want to put high end triggers in my guns but wanted better than just mil spec and its worked great, especially when you use them with a NiB mil spec trigger yeah, its also unreliable for an HD gun. one of the ALG triggers on sale is probably best bang for the buck. |
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Posted: 12/13/2016 9:44:42 PM EDT
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Good HD/SD trigger or good competition trigger? Two different topics.
Geissele are good for both Good HD trigger? Any good quality milspec trigger will do. I like 4-6lbs for HD. Any lighter than 4 can be dangerous. Good Comp trigger? For damn sure. Makes a big difference. I like 3lbs single stage for 3 gun and 3lb two stage for precision. Depends on your budge. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 3:26:44 AM EDT
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Skip the para-cord/toilet paper trigger jobs. I'd suggest an ALG Defense ACT trigger - MIL/SPEC plus trigger.
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Posted: 12/14/2016 4:52:41 AM EDT
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The ALG ACT is the bare minimum for me and it is a nice trigger. I also have a Geissele SD-C, a SSA, and a LaRue MBT. They are all quality improvements over standard triggers.
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Posted: 12/14/2016 5:39:52 AM EDT
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I have a Laure on one of my scoped guns. It's great for peeling off slow, controlled rounds at distance, but I actually prefer a regular, old, single-stage, mil-spec trigger for general use. I'd say, for your 10.5" gun, anything beyond a nickel plated mil-spec trigger would be a waste. The AR trigger is a little heavy, but it has a nice, short pull and real strong reset. Perfect for self defense duty.
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Posted: 12/14/2016 6:06:50 AM EDT
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ACT or QMS
MBT or G2S if you're feeling squirrely |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 11:20:16 AM EDT
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Skip the para-cord/toilet paper trigger jobs. I'd suggest an ALG Defense ACT trigger - MIL/SPEC plus trigger. ^^^^^^ This. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 4:16:01 PM EDT
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What's so bad about a standard trigger? I've never found them particularly heavy or difficult, but then I've used DA revolvers and autos. For competition or long range, sure, get an improved trigger.
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Posted: 12/14/2016 6:20:30 PM EDT
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It's entirely possible to have a trigger that is too light in weight-of-pull for the intended purpose of the firearm. This is due to the natural, human nervous system diminishing very fine motor control in situations where there is great anxiety on the person, and thus an adrenaline dump into the individual's system.
A trigger that would be perfectly safe and useful on the benign rifle range might be too light in weight for an individual in a adrenaline-fueled situation. This situation is well-known. I don't advise most people using a Home Defense firearm to lighten the OEM trigger weight, but I do encourage them to take measures that will smooth out their triggers. Such smoothing-out is generally not detectable during a forensic examination of the firearm, and thus not likely to be something brought up against the firearm owner later on, whereas, given an anti-gun DA, a changing-out of springs, or even a different, Match Trigger group, might be something used against the firearms owner in court. I think that almost all firearms users would be best served by using a Home Defense firearm with a clean, crisp trigger (even if modified to be so) with an unobjectionable OEM weight of trigger pull. In my experience, I can shoot a rather heavy weight pull, but clean and crisp trigger better than a much lighter trigger that has a lot of crunch and drag to it. YMMV. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 6:28:39 PM EDT
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for a pistol a milspec trigger is going to do you just fine.
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Posted: 12/14/2016 6:35:10 PM EDT
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The RAF post above is very sensible. It really depends on how you intend to use that pistol. Pistols, whether AR or conventional can be used many different ways. A target trigger pistol would be a poor choice for home defense for the same reasons mentioned above. I have one particular target pistol with a trigger pull that is only about 1.5 pounds. That is great for punching holes in paper, but would be an invitation for disaster on a pistol used under the high stress of home defense.
I think there is nothing wrong in an HD situation to go a little lighter, maybe 5 to 6 pounds, but no lower. I don't think two stage triggers, even the excellent Geissele SSA which is safe on a HD rifle, make sense on a one handed pistol or one that is not brought up to the shoulder. I'd opt for a smooth single stage trigger at or just under 6 pounds for pure HD purposes. Stay away from "polish jobs", as done improperly, you damage the thin surface hardened surfaces and the trigger will wear rapidly. FWIW, I run a SSA-E with its light 1.2 lb. second stage on my precision AR, but use a well-broken in and smooth mil spec trigger with full weight springs on my home defense AR. You don't need a ND (negligent discharge) when adrenalin is pumping and things go bump in the middle of the night. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 10:05:31 PM EDT
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What's so bad about a standard trigger? I've never found them particularly heavy or difficult, but then I've used DA revolvers and autos. For competition or long range, sure, get an improved trigger. In one word, creep. |
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Posted: 12/14/2016 10:22:23 PM EDT
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My first AR, one of the first runs from S&W (stag?), has a fantastically worn standard milspec trigger. It's not too heavy, not too light, breaks pretty well for an average idiot like myself. It's not a target gun, nor is it a race gun, but it does serve duty as a HD/range gun that has faithfully set off primers for the last 10 years (or so?). Nothing wrong with a milspec trigger, just take it out and shoot it. If that's not adequate, you can take some flitz to it and have OK results without worrying about removing too much material. The ALG or various enhanced "standard" triggers are probably good options, but I've never experienced them, so I'll defer to those that have. From original manufacturer or the EE, you're really not paying a ton to get one and try it out. Hell, if you don't like it just put it away in the parts bin and BAM you'll have another AR in a few months....
Aside from the various milspec ones that have come in my lowers, I do have a little time with an MBT, some CMC single stage triggers, and some time finger fondling a geissele SSA. All are good feeling triggers, but for a pistol blaster the returns are relative... I have been a bit of a fan boy for the MBT though, for the price it's really a fantastic two stage. |
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Posted: 12/15/2016 6:33:16 PM EDT
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Thankyou for all the advice. You guys are awesome!
Ill be ordering an ALG trigger. |
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Posted: 12/16/2016 2:54:13 PM EDT
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Drop in an ALG ACT or QMS and call it a day.
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Posted: 12/16/2016 3:13:35 PM EDT
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The ALG is a good choice for your HD AR pistol.
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Posted: 12/16/2016 4:50:42 PM EDT
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Is there a point where buying a upper class trigger just a waste of money or for what I have just a decent mil-spec trigger good enough? Yes - if you plan on aiming the weapon, and want to hit what you're aiming at, then a decent trigger is mandatory. If you're building a 'spray and pray' weapon, then a mil-spec trigger is fine. For home defense, you might be best served with a mil-spec trigger - less chance of accidental discharge, and you'll generally be pointing at things that are 5-15 feet away. OTOH, if you plan on using your pistol for aimed practice, or potentially killing varmints, then you should spring for a decent trigger. I have heard good things about the ALG ACT triggers recommended above, but I think they are FAR too expensive compared to a good 2-stage. For an extra $15, I like the glass-like RRA two-stage national match triggers available for ~$86. I find the trendy $200+ Giselle triggers abysmal, personally. |
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