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Posted: 1/18/2011 8:47:40 PM EDT
Rapid fire video displays a very nice Golani Century Sporter "Galil" and Ar-15 with 100 round mag

VIDEO Rapid Fire Ar-15 vs Galil

Link Posted: 1/31/2011 7:46:42 PM EDT
[#1]
that's great!
Link Posted: 2/1/2011 2:54:14 AM EDT
[#2]
it's oK
Link Posted: 2/1/2011 7:35:02 AM EDT
[#3]
No firearm associated with the name Century could EVER be considered "very nice".  99% of century guns are marginal at best.
No, I'm not talking out my butt, I made the mistake of owning more than a few assorted Centuries over the years because you always think......... "I might get lucky for a cheap price"....... but you don't.  Only one rifle didn't need work when I recieved it.   Canted sights, canted gas blocks, headspace issues, loose stocks, out of spec recievers, bad barrels, etc.  never again.
Link Posted: 2/1/2011 7:59:08 AM EDT
[#4]
Even if it were an original galil didnt the israelis replace it at the time in favor of the M16 because that weapon had its share of problems?
Link Posted: 2/1/2011 9:13:40 AM EDT
[#5]
I believe because it was heavy and troops favored M-16's.  Please correct me if I was talking out of my arse again.
Link Posted: 2/1/2011 11:55:22 AM EDT
[#6]
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I believe because it was heavy and troops favored M-16's.  Please correct me if I was talking out of my arse again.
 
It was a cost, weight and accessories issue.  They were getting m16s for free or next to nothing from us and optics are a pita to mount on galils.  It had nothing to do with reliability or other "problems"

Link Posted: 2/1/2011 12:28:55 PM EDT
[#7]
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I believe because it was heavy and troops favored M-16's.  Please correct me if I was talking out of my arse again.
 
It was a cost, weight and accessories issue.  They were getting m16s for free or next to nothing from us and optics are a pita to mount on galils.  It had nothing to do with reliability or other "problems"



But even if the 16's were free, their not going to use something that doesnt work.  They need rilfes that work, their not in a situation where they can allow acceptable failures.
Link Posted: 2/1/2011 12:45:15 PM EDT
[#8]
As an owner of an IMI Galil ARM in .223 ... I can assure you that it is very well made and may be one of the very few accurate AK type weapons.

Why did the Israeli's switch?  My guess is that cost was the primary issue ... very difficult to beat free!

Link Posted: 2/1/2011 1:06:30 PM EDT
[#9]
Yea but they also had a vast stockpile of AK47s and those were pretty much free too..just wondering anyone know if galils were having more problems than M16s during that time?galils aerent main line rifles anymore if im correct.
Link Posted: 2/1/2011 2:07:04 PM EDT
[#10]
The only info ive found so far is the 5.56 and .308 version had feeding problems that required an expensive design change so using the M16 was cheaper?I would think an AK action wouldnt have those kinds of problems.Ive also found info on the R4 the south african designation for the same weapon but no info on wether they had problems with the rifle.
Link Posted: 2/1/2011 2:26:13 PM EDT
[#11]
galils are very nice, the golani is, like most guns century touches, hit or miss.  If you know what to look for and can hand pick one, go for it.  If I could only have one, id get an ar.  If you want a galil, i would look for a build by someone who knows what they are doing.  ohio rapid fire used to make them, but went belly up.  Or you could get a saiga 5.56 and build it into a galil clone.  you can make them look very close.
Link Posted: 2/1/2011 4:07:13 PM EDT
[#12]
Here is what the Israeli Special Forces have to say about it. So much for all that.

http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/assault/m16vsak47.htm

M16 Vs. AK47/Galil

One of the most common debates in weapons forums on the web is the M16 Vs. AK47 issue - which one is the better assault rifle. As probably the only western army in the world that have used both an AK47 variant (IMI Galil) and the M16 on a large scale, the IDF is often mentioned as a real life example.

The pro M16 guys claim that the IDF usage of the M16 is a clear evidence of the weapon's quality, while the pro AK47 guys claim that the IDF switched from IMI Galil to the M16 only since it received them free of charge from the U.S.

The truth is that the M16 is by far the more superior weapon. It's lighter, more accurate, more versatile, and with proper maintenance it is very reliable. Indeed, it might be less sand proof then the Galil/AK47 series. However, all you need is to clean it once a day and it will work properly. Since modern armies clean their smallarms on a daily even during combat deployment this is a non-issue.

In fact, most of the myth regarding the M16 unreliability date back to the Vietnam War when the M16 was first issued. The 5.56 ammunition given then to the troops used a low quality sticky powder that caused massive buildup of dirt in the M16 mechanism and eventually to jamming problems. When the ammunition was changed, the misfire problems disappeared as well.

The IMI Galil is heavy, not accurate and you can't place any optics on it without special adapters. Many people also don't like the Galil/AK safety mechanism but that's more a personnel preference issue. The M16 design, however, is very user friendly and allow numerous modifications to be made such as mounting various uppers. The large number of M16 variants used by the IDF for dozens and dozens of years of continuous combat deployment is a clear evidence of that.

Thus, the reason for the IDF usage of the M16 over the Galil isn't the cost. It's the pure quality of the M16 over the Galil. Most of IDF troops dislike the Galil and will prefer a CAR15/M4 over it.

Those who are using the cost factor are simply unfamiliar with the IDF assault rifles history. Short review - up until the mid 1970's the IDF standard issue assault rifle was the FN FAL. At that time most of the Israeli elite units were using the AK47, which was considered to be much better then the FAL.

During the Israeli-Arab Yom Kippur War in 1973 the U.S. made a massive airlift to Israel containing large sums of brand new M16A1 and CAR15. However, shortly after the war the IDF had adopted the IMI Galil as its new standard issue assault rifle so most of the M16 remained in storage.

The Galil wasn't a big success to say the least. Most of the IDF elite units weren't impressed with the new weapon and remained with the AK47, which also had a deniability capability in covert deep insertions operations.

In the late 1970's few SF units tried out the CAR15 and were tremendously impressed. A decade later, by the late 1980's, almost all elite units were already armed with CAR15 which was gradually replacing the IMI Galil SAR and the AK47.

Note that this was years and years before the IDF officially adopted the M16 in the early 1990's. The IDF SF units that adopted the CAR15 didn't had any cost issue at mind. They could have used either the M16 or the Galil. It made no matter budget wise, since both weapons were already available in masses. The decision was purely quality based and no one told the units which weapon to use. More clearly - in some IDF elite units the Galil was simply never used and they always preferred the CAR15 over it.

Following the influence of the SF units, in the early 1990's the IDF had officially adopted the M16 family as its new standard issue assault rifle for all infantry oriented units, including both SF and conventional units. Today, the IMI Galil is only used by the Artillery Corps, Armor Crops, stationary elements in the Anti Aircraft Corps and rear line units.

Lets again review the situation in the early 1990's. The IDF had large sums of Galil variants it procured over the years, and it also had large sums of M16 it received in the 1973 war as well as in U.S. Army surpluses shipments over the years. Both weapons were available in masses and there wasn't any current or near future need to procure either weapon. The IDF also had thousands of AK47 that were captured over the years. So the IDF could use the AK47 free of charge over M16 or Galil.

Eventually, the IDF chose the M16, so again cost wasn't really an issue. Further more, even if there was such a cost factor, then the IDF could have simply supply all rear line troops with the cheaper M16 and issue the more expensive Galil to the front line troops. The fact that the exact opposite was done speaks for itself.

Moreover, some times the cost is less of an issue. The IDF often buy expensive Israeli weapons since it's forced too by inner-Israeli political pressure. For example, the IMI forced the Israeli Police to buy the Jericho 941 handguns. The IDF managed to escape the pressure in this case and got the much better Sig Sauer 228/226. The Israeli M240 Sufa ("Storm" in Hebrew) jeep is yet another example. The fact that despite the domestic pressure the M16 was chosen over the Galil is yet another evident of its superiority.

Let's review the situation today. The IDF no longer receives M16 for free. Instead, Israel receives from the U.S. few billion dollars per year of Foreign Military Support (FMS). However, the catch is that most of this money must be spent in Dollars back in the U.S. Also, for several reasons most of the IDF orders are registered as U.S. Army orders. This allows the IDF to largely enjoy from the quantity discounts the U.S. Army receives on its large orders.

The M4 series is indeed cheaper then the Galil or even the new Tavor series. In order to buy gear and weapons using the U.S. FMS the item must be at least 50% made in the U.S. This is why the IMI is currently looking for ways to manufacture the Tavor in the U.S. - so that the IDF could buy the Tavor using FMS.

But as usual IMI was too slow and the IDF already procured large sums of the M4 replacing the CAR15. Not to mention that the Bullpup concept of the Tavor is problematic since it doesn't allow simultaneous usage of both shoulders during combat, a major tactical disadvantage, especially in CQB or in urban warfare. Yet, it appears that IDF will eventually buy small sums of the Tavor.

To summarize, the IDF chose the M16 over the AK47/Gail because the M16 is the better assault rifle in all parameters that matter. As for reliability, the M16 is reliable enough. As for cost it's a non issue. Buying weapons today is cheap. In fact, for modern armies who buy large sums, most optical sights cost much more then assault rifles per unit.
Link Posted: 2/1/2011 4:19:35 PM EDT
[#13]





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I believe because it was heavy and troops favored M-16's.  Please correct me if I was talking out of my arse again.
 


It was a cost, weight and accessories issue.  They were getting m16s for free or next to nothing from us and optics are a pita to mount on galils.  It had nothing to do with reliability or other "problems"





We sent them M16A1's/colt commandos.  Those are carry-handle receivers.  






Optics were not part of their decision.  







Even with the M16, they had to improvise until Elbit had the Falcon mounted off of the carrying handle.







The decision was mainly weight and cost.  The Galil is a heavy bitch.  Israelis, with few exceptions, are not known for their stature.  







The Galil does better in it's original and subsequent forms, the Valmet and the R4.  Finns and Boers stand a bit taller and broader.




I'd really like to own a Galil, Valmet, or R4, but I have no interest in the Century garbage.   It seems that the Valmet is the best option unless I were to have someone good build from a kit.  









 

 
Link Posted: 2/1/2011 4:50:40 PM EDT
[#14]
what is a tavor?
Link Posted: 2/1/2011 6:39:26 PM EDT
[#15]



Quoted:


what is a tavor?


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tavor

 
Link Posted: 2/1/2011 6:51:24 PM EDT
[#16]
SNORE  SNORE SNORE SNORE SNORE

Wake me up when its over

SNORE SNORE SNORE SNORE SNORE

C'mon guys, you know, unless it blows up, melts, catches fire, or someone takes a scope or a front sight in the head from recoil, its pointless!!!

The Galil is a good weapon for the 1970s but the M16/M4 offers too many benefits (modularity being #1) to be ignored and the Galil follows the same problems as the AK, yeah its reliable, due to shitty tolerances, and accuracy suffers, plus due to judicious use of steel its heavy.

I would not consider a Century Arms Golani to be a true Galil, just like I don't consider a Century Arms WASR-10 to be a true AK47, its a replica, made with crap parts, and no QC.

RE the Tavor (I WANT ONE!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N7X0pvhQ4w
Link Posted: 2/2/2011 7:17:13 AM EDT
[#17]


This VS this



If I have to pick just one it would be my AR, hey what do you guys expect I'm originally an AR guy.

My Galil is not a Golani sporter, it's an original pre ban Action Arms imported IMI model AR which I bought way back in early '89 just before the import ban.

The Galil is more accurate, have less muzzle flip and recoil than my three Chinese AK-47S, but not as good as my AR.

In my opinion what hurts the Galil in accuracy is the AK design which is not a straight bore to stock line, if you guys watch some slow motion vids of both AR and AK systems at YouTube, you could notice the AK flips up more and looks like it flexes more than the AR.

I'm still waiting for Troy to release their Galil rail system (maybe sometime this year) so at least I could put a red dot optic and a light on my Galil.


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