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Posted: 9/24/2005 2:34:50 PM EDT
Thinking about maybe getting this as my next rifle.

I was reading a BLOG somewhere that was talking about an AR that had all the great features of the AK, and someone pointed to this website.
$1,600 it comes loaded with everything included flip-up sites (front and rear), tactical rails, small handguard, folding stock, etc... Oh and it has support for multi-caliber, meaning you can change out the barrel, bolt and magazine, and boom you have a new gun.

https://secure.robarm.com/xcrtm_gallery.htm


XCR SPECIIFCATIONS (16" barrel & Folding Stock)


Caliber: 5.56 NATO (.223 Rem.); 6.8 SPC; 7.62x39mm?

Action: Semi-Automatic or Select-Fire (Govt. & LE Only), Gas Operated, Piston Driven. Designed to require little cleaning.

Bolt: Proprietary three-lug. Locks into extension of barrel so no headspacing is required when changing barrels.

Extractor: Proprietary extractor and spring. Extremely reliable and durable.

Ejector: Solid AK47 type. The ejection direction is Forward and low, 2 O'clock direction.

Lower Receiver: Serialized Part which holds fire control parts, buttstock, magazine and upper receiver.

Upper Receiver: A Major part which holds, bolt carrier, charging handle, and gas system.

Barrel: 16.02" Long, Chrome-Lined; 1 in 9" Twist

Muzzle Attachments: M16A2 Flash Hider. Others available shortly.

Gas Adjustment: 4 Position

Charging Handle: Non-reciprocating on Left side of Upper Receiver. Charging handle knob contains forward assist.

Overall length: 37.75" (Stock Extended); 27.4" (Stock Folded)

Weight Empty: 7.5 lbs.

Trigger: Two-Stage Trigger (This is a recent change for the semi-auto models due to customer requests. We can provide single-stage triggers for government and LE agencies requiring such triggers.)

12 O'clock Positon (Top) Rail: 1913 Standard Picatinny Rail, 17" Long

3, 6, and 9 O'clock Position Rails: 1913 Standard Picatinny Rails, 8" Long

Sights: Any front and rear sight made to go on 1913 Standard Rails.

Sight Radius: Depends on front and rear sight type and placement. Typically 15" to 16.5". Gas block on barrel is also machined with dove tail to accept other sights. Sight radius can be increased by attaching sight to the gas block.

Magazines: Accepts most M16 magazines and drums.

Scope Mounting: 1913 Standard Rail.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 3:10:46 PM EDT
Linky no worky.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 3:20:36 PM EDT
change https to http and it works
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 3:22:04 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 3:22:56 PM EDT
or click abovehug.gif
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 3:23:23 PM EDT
It has been discussed here throughly, and why it didn't make the SCAR trails.

And yes we all think it is the cat's ass and would like one. Just waiting for production I guess.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 3:29:09 PM EDT
ive seenem for sale on gunbroker
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 3:35:00 PM EDT
how much?
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 3:43:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/24/2005 3:44:28 PM EDT by no_knock556]
Looks to me like you are simply buying a reservation, not a weapon. See for yourself...

Just another pipedream...

The pics he is using are right off their website.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 3:49:31 PM EDT

Originally Posted By netwt12:
how much?





$1249.00 on gunbroker
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:31:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By donovan007007:

Originally Posted By netwt12:
how much?





$1249.00 on gunbroker



Yea, but check the link in my response above...

The gunbroker auction is not for a weapon he has in stock. You just get to wait like the rest of us.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:44:35 PM EDT
How fricken long is this wait? The website says they were going to have stock by this August-September.

btw that gunbroker link didnt work, there is an extra http// in the URL that needs to be removed.

- rem
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:52:42 PM EDT
They didn't make the SCAR trails cause they forgot to include a frickin blank adapter.
Contract language must be followed to the T.
Wonder if anybody lost their job over that one.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:54:14 PM EDT
Factor in the waiting list and the production waits, I wouldn't expect to be able to walk in the local gun store and buy one for quite awhile.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 5:57:19 PM EDT
Do a search.

We have had many XCR threads over the past year.
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:09:20 PM EDT
What do you guys think, get a brand new in the box Colt LE marked 6920 for $1150 (w/ shipping) or hold out for one of these? Or recommend another brand for me.

I really want to get a new rifle and have a basically mint backup in the safe (for resale or something in 3-5 years).

Thanks,

- rem
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:18:32 PM EDT
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:29:07 PM EDT
Why does everyone always get their panties all in a wad every time a new piston driven ar platform comes out? With quality mags, quality ammo, and a cleaning about every 1k rounds, the m4 in its current state is 100% reliable, not to mention light years ahead of the ak in accuracy as well as more ergonomic, and since ammo is lighter, its easier to carry more rounds. There is no need for these weapons. Furthermore, because they fit such a niche market, spare parts will be almost impossible to find. For example, HK rifles are fairly common in the US, but spare parts command a premium...when you can even find them. Spend your money on ammo and training for your AR15, not the newest piston-driven flavor of the week.


End rant...just something I've been thinking about for awhile and finally had to vent.

Doc
Link Posted: 9/24/2005 6:45:08 PM EDT
This rifle cant be all its hyped up to be... like the previous poster, I have my doubts that it can live up to its propaganda. The AR is tried and true, and you can get parts quite easily, and they dont break all that often. that XCR looks nice, but if the G36 hasnt replaced the m16, I dont think this will replace the m4. I wonder if the company would let me take a peek at their stuff if i dropped in next time im in slc...
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 1:50:24 AM EDT
They supposedly have 1000 preorders so there are alot of us interested in the rifle. When i get mine, i plan on keeping my ar, ak's, m96, just adding it to my collection. You just have to decide what you want.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 2:09:46 AM EDT
I think there is a huge amount of fun-factor and "new toy" sensations among gun owners about this weapons platform. It is not in the sense of replacing the AR15 platform, but in adding to the collection.



People are too caught up in what is "better." Have some fun... life is too short... and if the SHTF, take anything but an AK.






- BG
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 2:12:46 AM EDT
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 2:26:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Bullseye_Doc_Holiday:
Why does everyone always get their panties all in a wad every time a new piston driven ar platform comes out? With quality mags, quality ammo, and a cleaning about every 1k rounds, the m4 in its current state is 100% reliable, not to mention light years ahead of the ak in accuracy as well as more ergonomic, and since ammo is lighter, its easier to carry more rounds. There is no need for these weapons. Furthermore, because they fit such a niche market, spare parts will be almost impossible to find. For example, HK rifles are fairly common in the US, but spare parts command a premium...when you can even find them. Spend your money on ammo and training for your AR15, not the newest piston-driven flavor of the week.


End rant...just something I've been thinking about for awhile and finally had to vent.

Doc



I have about 3000 rounds throught my gas piston AR. No cleaning to date and very little residue to speak of at all on the bolt/carrier/firing pin, etc. Additionally, the rifle action does not get hot as the gas and shit aren't being dumped back in the system. Therefore, ya don't get that baked in effect. Finally, chrono indicated an additional 150 or so fps increase vs. gas impingement. I suppose that adds to the effective fragmentation range of the AR platform.

I likey a lot. That said, traditional ARs have always worked well for me. However, I'm also enthusiastic about any improvements that can be made to one of the few mechanical weaknessed (lesser strengths ) of the AR system, that being removing the "don't shit where you eat" characteristic. AR accuracy with AK robustness....we'll see but it would be a nice combination.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 2:47:34 AM EDT
as has been offered in other threads, they sent me an email saying they were almost ready and it was time to pony-up

heres what they sent.............
( and I am in)


ROBINSON ARMAMENT CO.

Our records indicate that you desire to order an XCR rifle. Shortly we will be shipping XCR Rifles with the following specifications.

Cost: $1449.99 Retail. If you have questions concerning dealer price of Law Enforcement Officer/Military pricing please contact us directly.

Caliber: 5.56 NATO (Convertible to other calibers as conversion kits become available)
Barrel: 16.02" Long, Chrome-Lined; 1 in 9" Twist
Muzzle Attachments: M16A2 Flash Hider
Gas Adjustment: 4 Position
Charging Handle: Non-reciprocating on Left side of Upper Receiver. Charging handle knob contains forward assist.
Overall length: 37.75" (Stock Extended); 27.4" (Stock Folded)
Weight Empty: 7.5 lbs.
1913 Standard ("Picatinny") Rail System: Rails at 12, 3, 6, & 9 O'clock positions.
Magazine: One 30 round GI M16 magazine
Packaging: One plastic rifle case.
Front & Rear Sights: Yankee Hill flip sights (Optional, $169.90 Additional Charge)
Buttstock: All machined aluminum folding tube stock with rubber butt pad and cheek rest Foregrip: Falcon 5.57" Rail Covers (Optional, $12.00 each Additional Charge)

1) Choose only one payment option below for your $600.00 deposit, per gun, and filling out any other requested information.

Faxed Check (also known as "ACH"). This payment option allows you to fill out a check and fax it to us on the form. This allows us to debit your account for the amount of the check. Simply Download the http://www.ak47.com/ACH%20Authorization%2011May05.pdf , Follow, the instructions, and fax it to us at 801-355-0402.

Pre-Pay by Check or Money Order. Simply send us a check or money order for the full amount of the invoice. Make Check or Money Order Payable to:

Robinson Armament Co.
PO Box 16776
Salt Lake City, UT 84116-0776

Credit Card. Please call with your credit card information. We will add a three percent (3%) credit card charge to your invoice if you select this method of payment.

Link Posted: 9/25/2005 4:12:30 AM EDT
1/9 twist? I thought this was a mil-spec thing. Did the .mil specify 1/9 for this one? Or did they screw that up too?
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 4:52:13 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lancelot:
1/9 twist? I thought this was a mil-spec thing. Did the .mil specify 1/9 for this one? Or did they screw that up too?



I was wondering the same thing when I visited the website. I suppose they'll offer a 1/7 as an optional barrel config.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 1:06:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By no_knock556:
Looks to me like you are simply buying a reservation, not a weapon. See for yourself...

Just another pipedream...

The pics he is using are right off their website.



I've got a fair amount of experiance with the prototype. It was real, went bang, and lots of fun.

Do a search...maybe a member will locate some of the other XCR threads and link them
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 4:22:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Bullseye_Doc_Holiday:
Why does everyone always get their panties all in a wad every time a new piston driven ar platform comes out? With quality mags, quality ammo, and a cleaning about every 1k rounds, the m4 in its current state is 100% reliable, not to mention light years ahead of the ak in accuracy as well as more ergonomic, and since ammo is lighter, its easier to carry more rounds. There is no need for these weapons. Furthermore, because they fit such a niche market, spare parts will be almost impossible to find. For example, HK rifles are fairly common in the US, but spare parts command a premium...when you can even find them. Spend your money on ammo and training for your AR15, not the newest piston-driven flavor of the week.


End rant...just something I've been thinking about for awhile and finally had to vent.

Doc



A-FREAKIN-MEN!
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 4:44:26 PM EDT
Yet another gun I can never own in NY.
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 5:04:53 PM EDT

I was reading a BLOG somewhere ....


I know, I'm an ass, but..... I have to laugh when I see someone capitalize "blog".
Link Posted: 9/25/2005 5:23:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 9/25/2005 5:39:51 PM EDT by Hired_Gun]

Originally Posted By Bullseye_Doc_Holiday:
Why does everyone always get their panties all in a wad every time a new piston driven ar platform comes out? With quality mags, quality ammo, and a cleaning about every 1k rounds, the m4 in its current state is 100% reliable, not to mention light years ahead of the ak in accuracy as well as more ergonomic, and since ammo is lighter, its easier to carry more rounds. There is no need for these weapons. Furthermore, because they fit such a niche market, spare parts will be almost impossible to find. For example, HK rifles are fairly common in the US, but spare parts command a premium...when you can even find them. Spend your money on ammo and training for your AR15, not the newest piston-driven flavor of the week.


End rant...just something I've been thinking about for awhile and finally had to vent.

Doc



Such wisdom and intelligence. Yeah we should discourage and not support domestic small arms developement because spare parts will be hard to find

No wonder we are farming out our future guns to the Belgians and the Germans

Link Posted: 9/26/2005 7:54:48 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hired_Gun:

Originally Posted By Bullseye_Doc_Holiday:
Why does everyone always get their panties all in a wad every time a new piston driven ar platform comes out? With quality mags, quality ammo, and a cleaning about every 1k rounds, the m4 in its current state is 100% reliable, not to mention light years ahead of the ak in accuracy as well as more ergonomic, and since ammo is lighter, its easier to carry more rounds. There is no need for these weapons. Furthermore, because they fit such a niche market, spare parts will be almost impossible to find. For example, HK rifles are fairly common in the US, but spare parts command a premium...when you can even find them. Spend your money on ammo and training for your AR15, not the newest piston-driven flavor of the week.


End rant...just something I've been thinking about for awhile and finally had to vent.

Doc



Such wisdom and intelligence. Yeah we should discourage and not support domestic small arms developement because spare parts will be hard to find

No wonder we are farming out our future guns to the Belgians and the Germans




I agree. Progress in small arms development isn't intended or driven by the needs of the civilian marketplace. We reap the lower cost/high availability of parts and benefits for some Black Rifles due to military adoption and widespread use amongt the masses in our military.

So, if the military does eventually go to a modified upper with the only change being the carrier key and piston assembly, nothing much should change in terms of parts availability for standard gas impingement ARs. IF the move is towards a largely proprietary system in the HK416, even more military surplus parts should be available for OUR ARs.

It seems the biggest threat of all of the recent developments for ARs is the issue that WE may no longer be in possession of what the military uses. Whether it be a change in ammo (a la 6.8mm) or change from gas to piston driven, suddenly the .223 AR isn't at attractive to us Black Rifle fans as it once was.
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 3:09:50 PM EDT
I didnt mean I wouldnt want one to play around with, but the website just makes lots of claims and 'its better than', 'will replace' stuff...

Just how would we go about getting that stupid no military surplus NATO treaty thing repealed?
Link Posted: 9/26/2005 5:18:51 PM EDT

Originally Posted By CowChaser:
I didnt mean I wouldnt want one to play around with, but the website just makes lots of claims and 'its better than', 'will replace' stuff...



Right, because the best way to sell a new product is not on its merits and advantages, but by suggesting it offers absolutely nothing over a competitors existing products.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 2:59:11 AM EDT
I think it is really nice. Very simple to change barrels too. I might have to look into getting one of those.
Link Posted: 9/27/2005 4:50:05 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Variablebinary:

Originally Posted By CowChaser:
I didnt mean I wouldnt want one to play around with, but the website just makes lots of claims and 'its better than', 'will replace' stuff...



Right, because the best way to sell a new product is not on its merits and advantages, but by suggesting it offers absolutely nothing over a competitors existing products.




Amen. In features alone, the XCR is really equivalent to a LMT MRP crossed with an Arsenal and having one of each of those is going to cost a whole lot more than an XCR. Besides, are you going to be carrying two rifles when SHTF? While AR's may not jam if they are properly maintained, I also do not have the luxury to count on a squad of US Marines to cover my 6 while I am properly maintaining my AR.
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