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Posted: 6/28/2005 11:08:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/28/2005 11:58:25 PM EDT by Lumpy196]
elcan.phpinternet.com/specter_DR/

New from ELCAN

Specter DR

- Switches instantly from close combat (1x) to telescopic (4x) <--------------
- Eye relief (cheekweld) and bore sighting remain constant
- Large, low light exit pupil remains constant
- High efficiency coatings for extended low light performance
- Integrated lever-lock mount for optimum weigh reduction
- Rugged, Reliable Performance
- Shock Protected Precision Optics
- Integrated back-up iron sights are bore sighted to scope



Link Posted: 6/28/2005 11:57:04 PM EDT
Nice...

Now the question is how much.
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 12:29:08 AM EDT
nice..real nice.. I bet real expensive. I wonder what the recticel looks like.
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 1:07:46 AM EDT
tag
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 1:29:53 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/29/2005 1:33:15 AM EDT by Hank]
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 1:48:31 AM EDT
The whole rifle scope line, including NV is called Specter.

The DR is a heavy scope, at 22 oz.
Retail should be around 1800-2000.....oribably a lot hgiher initially due to demand.
ELCAN expects to ahve commerical supply available around the new year. At the moment, they have preproduction units out for testing with .mil types.
See that lever between the throw-levers for the mount....I'm betting that's the lever that switches between 1x and 4x. My bet....? A prism system as found in vehicular sights.

Simon
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 2:57:50 AM EDT
Oh man, that's sexy...



What about eye relief?



Link Posted: 6/29/2005 3:10:51 AM EDT
$2000 for a scope that has its adjustments in the base instead of internal?
22oz for a 1-4X variable?

Hope it has some features not yet known to exist because that souds like crap compared to the S&B it competes against.
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 4:50:55 AM EDT
I was just getting ready to ask about this sight!

$1800-$2000, and 22oz! That's in S&B territory...
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 6:03:36 AM EDT
590 grammes if you work in Metric. The 1800-2000 number is mine. I know what the price is going to be for several hundred, just not ONE. I'm factoring a nice slice of greed for profit and attendance.
I'm hoping to have some people eyeball it in the flesh before too long. Unfortunately this will be conducted by remote........
It's more like a Aimpoint with integral mag at the flick of a lever rather than a 30mm variable. I thinkt eh mag gives you BAC goodness with more flexibility in term sof indexing and eye relief.
I'm witholding judgement till I get a first ahdn report.

Link Posted: 6/29/2005 7:01:23 AM EDT

Originally Posted By DevL:
$2000 for a scope that has its adjustments in the base instead of internal?
22oz for a 1-4X variable?




+1
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 7:28:04 AM EDT

Originally Posted By OKLA-LAWMAN:
I wonder what the recticel looks like.



+1

Thats what I want to know.
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 12:11:40 PM EDT
see other thread too:

click me
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 1:07:37 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 6/29/2005 3:41:39 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/29/2005 3:48:26 PM EDT by Duffy]
I do believe I'd stick with my M2 and TA31. If I didn't have all the Aimpoints and ACOGs already, I'd buy an M2 and TA31, and still be left with some frogs with which to buy some ammo
I'm not one to complain about optic prices, but it does seem pretty steep for what it is.
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 5:48:42 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Duffy:
I do believe I'd stick with my M2 and TA31. If I didn't have all the Aimpoints and ACOGs already, I'd buy an M2 and TA31, and still be left with some frogs with which to buy some ammo
I'm not one to complain about optic prices, but it does seem pretty steep for what it is.



Tight Wad
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 5:55:50 PM EDT
Yep, a real cheap ass bastard, ain't I
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 5:58:01 PM EDT
Tag. I want to see how much $$ this thing is.
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 6:00:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/29/2005 6:01:54 PM EDT by Va_Dinger]

Originally Posted By lu380:
Tag. I want to see how much $$ this thing is.



I'm waiting for a firm price range and recticle type.
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 6:57:48 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Va_Dinger:

Originally Posted By lu380:
Tag. I want to see how much $$ this thing is.



I'm waiting for a firm price range and recticle type.



+1

I still have a few others things to save my pennies for ahead of something like this...but I saw this in the PDF someone posted in another thread and said how interesting I thought it looked. It does look pretty cool.

It seems as though the military is doing a lot w/ ARMS mounts lately, as this and the new EOTech 553 will have ARMS throw lever mounts.
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 7:42:49 PM EDT
OK fine. What will this optic do that the S&B or the ACOG won't??
I dont see what the fuss is over this new optic, especially at that tentative price.
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 7:47:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 6/29/2005 11:12:01 PM EDT by Lumpy196]

Originally Posted By Spankme:
OK fine. What will this optic do that the S&B or the ACOG won't??
I dont see what the fuss is over this new optic, especially at that tentative price.





Who's raising a fuss? I asked a simple question. I had no idea it cost as much or more than an S&B. Im happy with my TA31A, but I LIKE the idea of a 1-4x variable of military grade durability.

Thanks for you contribution to furthing my knowledge. You're an indispensable resource.
Link Posted: 6/29/2005 11:37:53 PM EDT
Its actually less expensive than a S&B plus mount and weighs less too. However it would have to do a lot before I could swallow external adjustments.
Link Posted: 6/30/2005 12:07:19 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/30/2005 1:08:52 AM EDT
And thought I was greedy!!!
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 5:05:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 5:10:13 PM EDT by bulldog1967]
I was at the Army Expo in DC today and got to fondle one on a Blue M4 mockup.

IT'S NICE.

The 1x to 4x is very cool. Unit was solid. Not too heavy.

It also has an illuminated reticle as well.

Overall image thru optic was bright and clear.

There is a red dot at the middle of a set of illuminated crosshairs with a 600m ballistic drop reticle on the lower verticle crosshair.

I THOUGHT the Elcan rep said MSRP $1200.00 but don't quote me.

Link Posted: 10/5/2005 5:23:24 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:

I THOUGHT the Elcan rep said MSRP $1200.00 but don't quote me.




I could have sworn I read this elsewhere on this site within the last month.

WIZZO
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 7:04:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/5/2005 7:09:35 PM EDT by bloodmoon]
Damn you lumpy damn you I am starting to really hate you a lot. First it was an aimpoint then it was a TA31 then an aimpoint plus magnifier now this. Damn it I respect your opinion a lot now I have to buy this
Link Posted: 10/5/2005 8:46:56 PM EDT
The SOPMOD.pdf that was posted here showed the Elcan as ACOG competition with the winner continuing on until the end of the M4s useful life. Either way the ACOG gets the Doctor Optics dot on top.

It also showed the Eotech has already replaced the aimpoint.



Link Posted: 10/6/2005 5:08:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By alwaystryin:
The SOPMOD.pdf that was posted here showed the Elcan as ACOG competition with the winner continuing on until the end of the M4s useful life. Either way the ACOG gets the Doctor Optics dot on top.

It also showed the Eotech has already replaced the aimpoint.





Could you explain what you are talking about? Im lost. Got links?
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 6:18:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 10/6/2005 6:38:32 AM EDT by alwaystryin]

Originally Posted By DevL:


Could you explain what you are talking about? Im lost. Got links?




www.dtic.mil/ndia/2005smallarms/thursday/taylor.pdf

The optics timeline is on page 26.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 7:00:34 AM EDT
The one Elcan I've looked through was amazing...the clarity of the glass and the brightness were off the charts compared to anything else I've looked through, which includes a Nightforce and a Schmidt and Bender.

I've been kicking myself in the ass for a year for not snagging one off the EE for $400 last year.

I'm sure this new one is amazing. Guess I'll go buy me a lottery ticket today...maybe I'll get lucky, and can afford to buy one!
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 12:42:20 PM EDT
I got a used one a while back, it is very clear optics for sure, mine was made in '95. I got it to put on a M-4, but it weighs 1lb. 4 oz. I like my carbine light and simple, so i put it on a 20" RRA a-4 and DON'T plan on taking it off. I have only used it at 100 yds. but will get to shoot out to 5 or 6 this weekend. It is doing 1 to 1 1/4 " at 100 so far, it has a pointed post reticle that is easy to aquire. I was suprised that it got as good of groups as my 8x Leupold does. It seems paralex free at any distance, don't know how they do it, but i am impressed. Best $400.00 i have spent in a long time. Later, W.B.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 12:46:10 PM EDT


I THOUGHT the Elcan rep said MSRP $1200.00 but don't quote me.





$1200..............probably I would go for a S&B Short Dot for a little more.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 2:24:41 PM EDT
tag.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 3:42:04 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bigthicket:
I got a used one a while back, it is very clear optics for sure, mine was made in '95. I got it to put on a M-4, but it weighs 1lb. 4 oz. I like my carbine light and simple, so i put it on a 20" RRA a-4 and DON'T plan on taking it off. I have only used it at 100 yds. but will get to shoot out to 5 or 6 this weekend. It is doing 1 to 1 1/4 " at 100 so far, it has a pointed post reticle that is easy to aquire. I was suprised that it got as good of groups as my 8x Leupold does. It seems paralex free at any distance, don't know how they do it, but i am impressed. Best $400.00 i have spent in a long time. Later, W.B.



Wrong Elcan scope
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 4:05:56 PM EDT

First Nightforce, and now this....

I wish they'd let some of this stuff out for us civvies.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 4:34:02 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AShooter:
First Nightforce, and now this....

I wish they'd let some of this stuff out for us civvies.



It WILL be released for the civilian market.
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 4:49:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:

Originally Posted By AShooter:
First Nightforce, and now this....

I wish they'd let some of this stuff out for us civvies.



It WILL be released for the civilian market.





When?


Link Posted: 10/6/2005 4:59:39 PM EDT

Originally Posted By AShooter:

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:

Originally Posted By AShooter:
First Nightforce, and now this....

I wish they'd let some of this stuff out for us civvies.



It WILL be released for the civilian market.





When?





I was told 2Q 2006
Link Posted: 10/6/2005 5:45:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By bulldog1967:

I was told 2Q 2006




Oh well, that's not any worse than Nightforce... I was told a year ago that "it'll be out after SHOT". At least somebody's getting the stuff. And I guess if it's the guys using them to shoot ROPers, that's understandable. They need 'em a lot more than I do.

But it is frustrating anyway.


Link Posted: 10/6/2005 7:34:06 PM EDT
Tag for more poop
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