

Originally Posted By bfoosh06: Well, that is unexpected. Do you happen to have the current batches Lot # ? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By bfoosh06: Originally Posted By metalsaber: This batch is a little hotter. Had 1 popper primer. This will follow my bdc pretty close. Avg 2725 fps - 13 shots 21 std dev 75 ext sprd https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/57852/IMG_1981-2877858.jpg Well, that is unexpected. Do you happen to have the current batches Lot # ? |
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I bought all this equipment. What do you mean that the dead AREN'T coming back to life?
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Yo PSA we need 500rd and 1K rd options to purchase to make it easy
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I bought all this equipment. What do you mean that the dead AREN'T coming back to life?
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Originally Posted By metalsaber: with a slight discount or free shipping. ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By metalsaber: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Yo PSA we need 500rd and 1K rd options to purchase to make it easy ![]() ![]() Absolutely ![]() |
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Originally Posted By metalsaber: with a slight discount or free shipping. ![]() View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By metalsaber: Originally Posted By Duck_Hunt: Yo PSA we need 500rd and 1K rd options to purchase to make it easy ![]() ![]() word |
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Agree. Buy 500 or 1k and get free shipping for ARFCOM members.
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Some guys I shoot long with all went in on a group buy.
I guess you could say we like it. But after shooting it tonight between two different rifles I have some concerns. My 18 inch Odin works barrel with less than 4-500 on it had crazy deviation. It’s the top set of numbers in the picture I’ll post. The second string is from a centurion arms 16 inch CHF barrel with 4-5k rounds and never been cleaned. ![]() Obligatory hoarding pic. Everything is double stacked except for the right two columns ![]() |
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Originally Posted By DirtDivision: Some guys I shoot long with all went in on a group buy. I guess you could say we like it. But after shooting it tonight between two different rifles I have some concerns. My 18 inch Odin works barrel with less than 4-500 on it had crazy deviation. It's the top set of numbers in the picture I'll post. The second string is from a centurion arms 16 inch CHF barrel with 4-5k rounds and never been cleaned. View Quote |
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Originally Posted By DirtDivision: Yes. You're correct but does that actually make that big of a difference? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By DirtDivision: Originally Posted By mcantu: Let me guess: the Odin Works has a Wylde chamber and the Centurion a 5.56 NATO? Yes. You're correct but does that actually make that big of a difference? My wylde chamber did not like the ammo. That's just a sample size of 1 for me. My 1:7 5.56 Noveske barrel likes it. |
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I bought all this equipment. What do you mean that the dead AREN'T coming back to life?
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Originally Posted By metalsaber: My wylde chamber did not like the ammo. That's just a sample size of 1 for me. My 1:7 5.56 Noveske barrel likes it. View Quote The rifle with the Wylde chamber shoot this stuff sub moa. Guess we will find out in the next few IWI gas gun matches. That’s why I bought so much. To eliminate the variables. |
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Originally Posted By Captain92: This. My credit card can only be so ready. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Captain92: Originally Posted By KTM300XCW: Agree. Buy 500 or 1k and get free shipping for ARFCOM members. ![]() This. My credit card can only be so ready. I would be in as well for a couple cases. |
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So reached out to Matt on reddit (Palmetto CS representative) they exchanged the remaining 100rds of 75gr BTHP for 77gr and not only that but gave me the entire order. So despite having shot 200rds of the 300, with the issues as documented. They gave me 300 of the 77gr OTM. Very impressed in that regard.I hope to get to the range this weekend.
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So I went out and shot an assortment of AAC ammo in my 16” WOA and my 20” Bartlein CLE AR rifles.
Most of it was mediocre except that 77 OTM in my Bartlein. Good lord… ![]() That was one of the last groups of the day with a smoking hot barrel, too hot to touch. That VMAX load had serious issues… the one bullet keyholed. Never had that happen before. The WOA barrel seems like it’s a mediocre shooter ar best. I think the smallest group I’ve gotten with it is maybe 3/4” or so. ![]() ![]() |
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Originally Posted By ZA206: So I went out and shot an assortment of AAC ammo in my 16” WOA and my 20” Bartlein CLE AR rifles. Most of it was mediocre except that 77 OTM in my Bartlein. Good lord… ![]() That was one of the last groups of the day with a smoking hot barrel, too hot to touch. That VMAX load had serious issues… the one bullet keyholed. Never had that happen before. The WOA barrel seems like it’s a mediocre shooter ar best. I think the smallest group I’ve gotten with it is maybe 3/4” or so. ![]() https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/114221/IMG_1039_jpeg-2902998.JPG View Quote Calm and 80. Sheesh. Jealous AF |
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Originally Posted By ZA206: So I went out and shot an assortment of AAC ammo in my 16" WOA and my 20" Bartlein CLE AR rifles. Most of it was mediocre except that 77 OTM in my Bartlein. Good lord ![]() That was one of the last groups of the day with a smoking hot barrel, too hot to touch. That VMAX load had serious issues the one bullet keyholed. Never had that happen before. The WOA barrel seems like it's a mediocre shooter ar best. I think the smallest group I've gotten with it is maybe 3/4" or so. ![]() https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/114221/IMG_1039_jpeg-2902998.JPG View Quote |
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Anyone chrono any of this yet out of a 14.5?
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Originally Posted By Tug153: Anyone chrono any of this yet out of a 14.5? View Quote My notes say my original batch was hauling at 2745 out of a 14.5 DD CHF barrel. The current batch chrono'd at 2555, compared to 2600 for IMI Razorcore. ETA: I did a bit more digging and I suspect that the 2745 number is incorrect, since my 18" gun did 2717 during the same session. 2645 would make sense, but that's not what I recorded, so I'm not sure what to think. I'm hoping to hit the range this evening to check zeros before this weekend's match and run some samples of the lot that Esstac had at Keystone over my chronograph. |
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Originally Posted By dlm1984: My notes say my original batch was hauling at 2745 out of a 14.5 DD CHF barrel. The current batch chrono'd at 2555, compared to 2600 for IMI Razorcore. ETA: I did a bit more digging and I suspect that the 2745 number is incorrect, since my 18" gun did 2717 during the same session. 2645 would make sense, but that's not what I recorded, so I'm not sure what to think. I'm hoping to hit the range this evening to check zeros before this weekend's match and run some samples of the lot that Esstac had at Keystone over my chronograph. View Quote Thanks for the info. I would love to know where you get tonight. |
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Sorry I didn't get around to posting last night, but things took longer than I expected, so...
![]() I took my 14.5" (DD CHF) and 18" (Larue) barreled rifles to the range last night. Temps were in the upper 70's and wind was minimal, so I expected velocities to be a touch higher than my previous data, which was collected when temps were around 68/70 degrees., I was able to confirm that my old lot (SCL1CC241) was pretty spicy in my 14.5, with a 10 shot string recording 2710, 2749, 2743, 2801, 2732, 2743, 2772, 2688, 2726, 2715 for an average of 2737 FPS and an extreme spread of 113. I was unable to get down range to measure and pull targets due to trying to avoid interrupting others, though, and that's also the reason a couple numbers are missing from the statistics. My 18" rifle turned out 2760, 2801, 2783, 2749, 2749 with my last 5 rounds, for an average velocity of 2768 and 51 ES. I'm surprised there's only a 30 FPS difference with 3.5" of additional barrel length with this lot. My old data said 2745 for the 14.5 and 2717 in the 18", although it was in need of a good cleaning. I also ran a box or two of lot # SCL2CE251 which was graciously provided by Ryan from Esstac. The first string of 10 rounds from my 18" rifle averaged 2655 FPS with a 53 FPS ES, and chewed up the center of the target I was firing at. The next string through the 18" came in at 2653 average, 26 ES, and only 9 SD. My 14.5's 10 round string averaged 2576 FPS, 55 ES, 17 SD. I'm pretty happy with how this lot behaved, and would have been even happier if I hadn't thought I was shooting at a 300 yard target array, rather than the one at 240 yards, and impacting behind the hose hanger causing me to question whether I was losing my mind... My current lot (SCL1CE221) runs 2630 in my 18" and 2555 in the 14.5 according to the data saved in my ballistic calculator and match data with my 18" gun seems to back that up through 7xx yards. I should try to stretch a bit further after things wrap up for a day, but it's hard to self spot 5.56 impacts at that distance! |
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Originally Posted By AviatorMoser: I ordered various 5.56x45 from AAC and went to the range to measure some groups. I used my 16" mid-length AR-15 with a button-rifled, chrome-lined FN barrel, a TA-31D optic, and shot from the bench w/ the rifle resting on a sandbag. Not the most stable position, and I would still consider myself a novice shooter. I shot 9 round groups at 100 yards w/ 55 gr FMJ, 69 gr HPBT, 75 gr BTHP Match, 77 gr OTM, and 77 gr SMK. The cartridges arrived in very good condition. I inspected each cartridge before and after firing. I did not see any of the dents reported by some, no cracks, and experienced no blown primers or malfunctions. The ammo looked as clean as any other ammo I have purchased from PMC, Winchester, Federal, PPU, Hornady, etc. Results are calculated from the entire group distribution, and the mean radius and 95% circular probable error are reported below. https://imgur.com/vbIq718.png I was pleasantly surprised by the 55 gr and I wonder if this was just a result of me getting my crap together. Normally, I shoot 2.8-3 MOA w/ 55 gr ball ammo, but here I shaved off some of that to 2.3 MOA with the AAC stuff. The AAC 69 gr stuff also shot very well, just about as good as the 77 gr cartridges w/ the Sierra bullets, and for a lot cheaper! I was pleasantly surprised. I was disappointed by their 75 gr match-grade BTHP offering. I shot two groups that are more of what I expect from ball ammo. This is probably on the shooter, so I'm going to go out again and re-test that ammo. The 77 gr OTM was also a bit of a disappointment. I'm going to retest that ammo as well. Overall, I am a fan of the AAC offerings so far and will buy again. View Quote I'm pretty sure that the 75s use Hornady bullets. They have weird ogive (seacant? ) that some barrels like and others do not. I believe that they are more sensative to distance from the lands. I would not be surprised if your barrel just doesn't like them. |
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I'm going to give this stuff a go next week when I get a few rifles zero'd at 300 yards for Heartland.
Hopefully one of my ARs likes it. |
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Any velocity data for a 12.5?
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I bought a case last month. Lot # SCL1CF191
Last week I chronographed at 70F in my 14.5" and 16" Super Duty rifles with a Magneeto Speed sporter. Unsuppressed, because I don't have the version that fits on a supressor (I'm the poors). 14.5" AVG 2587 SD 11 Min/Max 2563-2603 (ES 40) 16" AVG 2633 SD 16 Min/Max 2613-2670 (ES 57) I also shot a group from the 16". Only one 5 shot group; I just wanted an idea of how my POI would differ from Frontier 75s. The other holes on the target are Frontier 75s, and from me 1) checking return to zero after remounting my optic (5 shots) 2) verifying after adjusting windage (2 shots) 3) checking my POI shift after mounting my suppressor (2 shots) and 4) verifying elevation adjustment for suppressor (3 shots). Yes, I know, I should shoot 5 shot groups all the time. I only had 12 rounds of the Frontier 75's beyond the round count of the match I was prepping for. ![]() Even with the low shot that very well could have been just me, I'll take it, especially at $.55 cpr. The matches I'll be using it for can be won with worse. |
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I finally ordered 300 rounds of the 77 otms to try.
Tried them in two spr type rifles I built with 1/8 twist stainless barrels I got from compass lake engineering. One 16 inch and one 18. I was able to hold 1 moa groups with the 16 inch rifle at 100 yards and had a few 1/2 moa groups with the 18. I used prs style bean bags front and rear so the rifles were pretty stable. There seemed to be occasional flyers but that could have been me. In all I fired 60 rounds in 5 shot groups and they shoot as good or better than my own reloads (75 grain Hornadys using TAC) One observation is that they are kinda sooty compared to other ammo ive shot. Some rounds did have the dents other posters have observed but nothing awful. I used to shoot alot of black hills remanufactured ammo that had similar dents and dings and the AAC seems to shoot on par. Ordered some more because this ammo is great especially for the price. |
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On dents and dings: I haven't seen any yet, brass looks perfect so far, but I've only opened 3 boxes.
I will update as I make my way through the 1000 rd case I bought. |
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5 shot groups (only) at 200 meters from a Noveske 16" barrel. Small sample size.
77 grain Lot # SCL 1CG 191 75 Grain Lot # SCR LCG 112 ManufactureLoad NameWeightBulletGroup SizeDistanceMOADropMVESSD AAC 556 Nato 75 BTHP1.92 200 M0.882611269.48/14/2023Day 2 AAC 556 Nato 77 BTHP2.45 200 M1.1226274822.68/14/2023 IMI Mk262-1Mk 262-1 77 SMK 1.65 200 M0.75-3.752609197.98/14/2023 The IMI is a consistent .7-.9 MOA performer in this rifle. My guess is the performance we see from AAC would not last for a 10-round group. |
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I can make do with a 1.12 MOA 77gr pill that's 55 cents.
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I shot this stuff last night. I'll buy more.
It was 1-1.5 MOA out of a 6920 and Andro Corp 16" off a range bag as a rest. |
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Tried some in the early evening and this has very little muzzle flash compared to the federal m193 I was also firing. Was impressed by the difference.
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Originally Posted By Saber7: I finally ordered 300 rounds of the 77 otms to try. Tried them in two spr type rifles I built with 1/8 twist stainless barrels I got from compass lake engineering. One 16 inch and one 18. I was able to hold 1 moa groups with the 16 inch rifle at 100 yards and had a few 1/2 moa groups with the 18. I used prs style bean bags front and rear so the rifles were pretty stable. There seemed to be occasional flyers but that could have been me. In all I fired 60 rounds in 5 shot groups and they shoot as good or better than my own reloads (75 grain Hornadys using TAC) One observation is that they are kinda sooty compared to other ammo ive shot. Some rounds did have the dents other posters have observed but nothing awful. I used to shoot alot of black hills remanufactured ammo that had similar dents and dings and the AAC seems to shoot on par. Ordered some more because this ammo is great especially for the price. View Quote I got similar groups out of a Mk12 clone, Daniel Defense 18" SPR bbl with OCM5 suppressor. Pretty much 1 to 1-3/4 or so MOA from 100, 200, 300. Opened up a bit at 300, but it was more me than anything. Shooting off bipad w rear bag, totally amateur, but it was absolutely consistent. I had some IMI 77gr, but did not compare the two. I'll be buying more, have another Mk12 with a Kreiger bbl to try it in. For the money at .55/rd, I'm sold on it. I hit up Josiah and urged him to pass the word up the line to consider selling it in bulk; 200. 500, 1k etc. |
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Originally Posted By Captain92: I got similar groups out of a Mk12 clone, Daniel Defense 18" SPR bbl with OCM5 suppressor. Pretty much 1 to 1-3/4 or so MOA from 100, 200, 300. Opened up a bit at 300, but it was more me than anything. Shooting off bipad w rear bag, totally amateur, but it was absolutely consistent. I had some IMI 77gr, but did not compare the two. I'll be buying more, have another Mk12 with a Kreiger bbl to try it in. For the money at .55/rd, I'm sold on it. I hit up Josiah and urged him to pass the word up the line to consider selling it in bulk; 200. 500, 1k etc. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Captain92: Originally Posted By Saber7: I finally ordered 300 rounds of the 77 otms to try. Tried them in two spr type rifles I built with 1/8 twist stainless barrels I got from compass lake engineering. One 16 inch and one 18. I was able to hold 1 moa groups with the 16 inch rifle at 100 yards and had a few 1/2 moa groups with the 18. I used prs style bean bags front and rear so the rifles were pretty stable. There seemed to be occasional flyers but that could have been me. In all I fired 60 rounds in 5 shot groups and they shoot as good or better than my own reloads (75 grain Hornadys using TAC) One observation is that they are kinda sooty compared to other ammo ive shot. Some rounds did have the dents other posters have observed but nothing awful. I used to shoot alot of black hills remanufactured ammo that had similar dents and dings and the AAC seems to shoot on par. Ordered some more because this ammo is great especially for the price. I got similar groups out of a Mk12 clone, Daniel Defense 18" SPR bbl with OCM5 suppressor. Pretty much 1 to 1-3/4 or so MOA from 100, 200, 300. Opened up a bit at 300, but it was more me than anything. Shooting off bipad w rear bag, totally amateur, but it was absolutely consistent. I had some IMI 77gr, but did not compare the two. I'll be buying more, have another Mk12 with a Kreiger bbl to try it in. For the money at .55/rd, I'm sold on it. I hit up Josiah and urged him to pass the word up the line to consider selling it in bulk; 200. 500, 1k etc. Yes we need bulk options ![]() |
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Is there any chance of you guys loading the tbbc or whatever bullet that federal uses in those fusion rounds? |
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Has anyone tested any of the 70gr TSX rounds yet?
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So it seems the ammo is good and priced well. For SD ammo, what would you buy from them? I had stocked some TAP and Privi 75 gr.
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I survived the cockpocalypse of 11/21/2012.
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Moved a 1-8 Vortex scope to my 16" 1-7 FN barrel AR. Took these out and zeroed it. Shooting off a bag that is falling apart my best group was 1.4" @ 100 yards on a lovely 76 degree Missouri day. I need to get a lead sled to really see what I can do as my foregrip makes settling this in the bag kind of iffy. Other groups were all around 1.5".
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Originally Posted By bigern314: Moved a 1-8 Vortex scope to my 16" 1-7 FN barrel AR. Took these out and zeroed it. Shooting off a bag that is falling apart my best group was 1.4" @ 100 yards on a lovely 76 degree Missouri day. I need to get a lead sled to really see what I can do as my foregrip makes settling this in the bag kind of iffy. Other groups were all around 1.5". View Quote Get new bags; not a lead sled. |
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Originally Posted By SuperJlarge: Get new bags; not a lead sled. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By SuperJlarge: Originally Posted By bigern314: Moved a 1-8 Vortex scope to my 16" 1-7 FN barrel AR. Took these out and zeroed it. Shooting off a bag that is falling apart my best group was 1.4" @ 100 yards on a lovely 76 degree Missouri day. I need to get a lead sled to really see what I can do as my foregrip makes settling this in the bag kind of iffy. Other groups were all around 1.5". Get new bags; not a lead sled. I need to get something. This current bag is more of a pile of gorilla tape than a bag at this point also taking off the front grip and moving it to another rifle. Overall I like this ammo. I plan on grabbing a case. |
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I'm at @sagmill s range in Tremont on zero/practice day before the WAR Rifles PRS match.
I just went 5 for 5 at 1008 yards. Standard IPSC steel. ![]() Yes, that's a 16" Super Duty upper, an Athlon Ares 1-10 and a RC-2. |
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You can get put on a shirt alright, get put in a hearse someday-hey.
Be careful in them streets alright, cuz my brother got the Glock or the K-hey. |
I shot the heartland 100 yards Polish plate target with my Andro 16" and a 3x micro prism using this after my run.
I'm impressed so far. I cleaned it easily from the bench, and other cola warriors made 2,3,4,500 yard hits with it. Perfect overcast conditions with zero wind. I need to get on paper with it using my Colt 6920 and see if that rifle likes it too. I'll be buying a bunch for my Andro rifle. |
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