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Posted: 3/9/2010 5:19:11 PM EDT
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If 2.8 ounces makes a difference, maybe you need to put down the cheeseburger and go run around the house a few times.
Really, I see no sense whatsover compromising the durability on any part of a defensive weapon. Nick |
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Posted: 3/9/2010 5:53:03 PM EDT
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If 2.8 ounces makes a difference, maybe you need to put down the cheeseburger and go run around the house a few times. Really, I see no sense whatsover compromising the durability on any part of a defensive weapon. Nick Hey Nick, thanks for the friendly suggestion! 
I am building this gun light, hence the question. I am an LEO, and have a fully kitted AR that is a boat anchor. This build is meant to be a go fast personal gun. DD Pencil Barrel, DD Omega X 12.0FSP, Vltor Modstock, etc. It is light, and the T1 is light, but I want to try something different. Seems like if my Micro can go "shroudless" the Eotech ought to be able to also! 
Having said that, I really don't have any real-world experience with the durability of the EOTECH. |
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Posted: 3/9/2010 6:32:05 PM EDT
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With the shroud removed, the glass on the XPS is exposed to get hit from anything. Leave it on.
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Posted: 3/9/2010 7:11:16 PM EDT
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Quoted: Quoted: If 2.8 ounces makes a difference, maybe you need to put down the cheeseburger and go run around the house a few times. Really, I see no sense whatsoever compromising the durability on any part of a defensive weapon. Nick Hey Nick, thanks for the friendly suggestion! I am building this gun light, hence the question. I am an LEO, and have a fully kitted AR that is a boat anchor. This build is meant to be a go fast personal gun. DD Pencil Barrel, DD Omega X 12.0FSP, Vltor Modstock, etc. It is light, and the T1 is light, but I want to try something different. Seems like if my Micro can go "shroudless" the Eotech ought to be able to also! Having said that, I really don't have any real-world experience with the durability of the EOTECH. I might have come across a little brusk, but I still feel that the very minimal weight loss is not worth the increased possibility of damage to the optic. The T1 has no shroud, and could very easily be damaged, but it's small. If the 2.8 oz. is that big a deal, I would find some other place to trim weight. You have a 12 inch rail-is this a rifle or carbine? If a carbine length, might I suggest a shorter rail? I believe some of the other stocks out there are a little lighter than the Vltor (I might be wrong). At least if you do damage the lens, just flip up your rear BUS and keep right on trucking. Just my opinion, and you may not agree with it-everyone has different wants and needs. Nick |
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Posted: 3/9/2010 7:12:35 PM EDT
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There is absolutely no reason to remove that shroud.
Those of us that do have real world experience would never consider doing that. Of course for an in and out of the trunk bang around everyday duty weapon I'd get an aimpoint anyhow |
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Posted: 3/9/2010 7:23:16 PM EDT
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The T1 has no shroud, and could very easily be damaged, but it's small. Ummm... no. The T1 doesn't have a shroud, or need a shroud, because the thing is built like a freaking tank. You could take it off your rifle and throw it at someone (hard enough) and knock them out with it, then pick it up and put it back on your gun and continue to use it. EOTechs needs shrouds because they have delicate lasers and electronics that are housed in plastic. There's no comparison whatsoever to a H1/T1. |
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Posted: 3/9/2010 7:23:40 PM EDT
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There is absolutely no reason to remove that shroud. Those of us that do have real world experience would never consider doing that. Of course for an in and out of the trunk bang around everyday duty weapon I'd get an aimpoint anyhow Yes... do not remove the shroud! Get a used Bushnell HOLO Sight Generation 2. Oh wait... that is basically a Eotech without the shroud! Never-mind!
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Posted: 3/9/2010 7:39:33 PM EDT
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If 2.8 ounces makes a difference, maybe you need to put down the cheeseburger and go run around the house a few times. Really, I see no sense whatsover compromising the durability on any part of a defensive weapon. Nick Hey Nick, thanks for the friendly suggestion!
I am building this gun light, hence the question. I am an LEO, and have a fully kitted AR that is a boat anchor. This build is meant to be a go fast personal gun. DD Pencil Barrel, DD Omega X 12.0FSP, Vltor Modstock, etc. It is light, and the T1 is light, but I want to try something different. Seems like if my Micro can go "shroudless" the Eotech ought to be able to also!
You have a 12 inch rail and vltor stock, and want to lose 2 ounces by removing a necessary protective cover from an eotech. That's all kinds of backwards. And saying 'the micro doesn't need a shroud therefore the eotech doesn't need it' doesn't make one bit of sense. Completely different animals. Having said that, I really don't have any real-world experience with the durability of the EOTECH. |
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Posted: 3/9/2010 7:42:26 PM EDT
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one thing to consider also is that if im not mistaken once you remove the shroud you void the warranty. any removal,alterations will make any existing warranty null and void. just something i came across(actually on the board here)while doing my own research into which optic i was going to go w/for my own build.
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Posted: 3/9/2010 7:49:02 PM EDT
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Removed the shroud this evening on a XPS to add the new GG&G flip up covers. Easy off, a bit tougher back on (tight), no biggy though. |
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Posted: 3/9/2010 8:00:21 PM EDT
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If 2.8 ounces makes a difference, maybe you need to put down the cheeseburger and go run around the house a few times. Really, I see no sense whatsover compromising the durability on any part of a defensive weapon. Nick Hey Nick, thanks for the friendly suggestion!
I am building this gun light, hence the question. I am an LEO, and have a fully kitted AR that is a boat anchor. This build is meant to be a go fast personal gun. DD Pencil Barrel, DD Omega X 12.0FSP, Vltor Modstock, etc. It is light, and the T1 is light, but I want to try something different. Seems like if my Micro can go "shroudless" the Eotech ought to be able to also!
Having said that, I really don't have any real-world experience with the durability of the EOTECH. Then you might want to consider sticking with aimpoint. Leave it on, you'll need it. |
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Posted: 3/9/2010 8:04:20 PM EDT
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What about removing the shroud, and having some sort of lightening cuts/holes put in it, then putting it back on.
It might remove some weight (if you want a light gun, go for it), it might look cool (which is also an acceptable way to enjoy firearms), and it might still offer some protection (which it may or may not need, but it certainly can't hurt). |
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Posted: 3/9/2010 9:01:31 PM EDT
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Why not put the Micro on your lightweight build, with a Daniel Defense mount (very light) and then put the XPS2 on the gun the micro is on?
ETA or just go with a second Micro
They are awesome, simple, lightweight and built tough. |
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Posted: 3/10/2010 1:35:17 PM EDT
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T1 micro, short handguards, and an ace M4 socom stock (or alternatively, a cav arms lower). Carbine buffer!
I've thought about it myself, but my eotech wouldn't be on it. |
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Posted: 3/10/2010 1:52:56 PM EDT
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have you considered a irondot mini red dot or something like a burris fastfire
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Posted: 3/10/2010 3:06:59 PM EDT
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If you are so worried about a few oz's why not forget an optic and use iron sights?
Removing the roll bar on an EOTECH is not a good idea to save that little amount of weight. |
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Posted: 3/10/2010 7:37:43 PM EDT
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The T1 doesn't have a shroud, or need a shroud, because the thing is built like a freaking tank. You could take it off your rifle and throw it at someone (hard enough) and knock them out with it, then pick it up and put it back on your gun and continue to use it.
I'm not trying to start the typical EOTech vs. Aimpoint arguement but I have seen two T1's with fairly large dents caused by very miniml use! Yes the optic still worked but if these things are built like freaking tanks I'm curious what kind of tank were talking about!?!
Leave the EOTech hood on. The weight savings is NOT worth the diminshed potection the hood allows! These things can and do take a beating. Ok..Ok...Aimpoint fans...release the stones!!! 
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