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Posted: 10/27/2004 4:17:02 PM EST
Well?

-z
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 4:27:16 PM EST
I know it's being used by a lot of Special Operations Forces in the box....and I keep hearing the same thing about it: "It's the heat!!!"

That being said I have no first hand experience with it and just passing along info that I have heard from others that have used it.



Semper Fi
Jeff
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 4:45:47 PM EST
I found a couple threads saying as much on Lightfighter, but no data.

-z
Link Posted: 10/27/2004 4:51:11 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/27/2004 4:51:30 PM EST by Zak-Smith]
Re: S&B

My partner for the ITRC used an S&B scope. 1/10mil clicks, one revolution, mil reticle. It's the heat for a bolt gun, but spendy, and I've heard service sucks.

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Link Posted: 10/28/2004 3:41:47 AM EST
Zak,

You may have a hard time finding data right now, as this optic was offered to Mil / LEO only. My understanding is that it was just recently released for public purchase.



Semper Fi
Jeff
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 4:14:53 AM EST
Zak, I'm interested in this scope, too, especially how it compares to it's closest competitor, the US Optics SN-4.

I had also read that S&B has had some operators testing it in the sandbox, and that thread at Lightfighter does show one in use on a SAW and a super-short barreled M4. Maybe a contractor?

Will
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 1:58:29 PM EST
It appeared from the website, that the dot will show up in bright daylight, which is rare for a variable scope. At 18+ oz. it's a load, 1500 bucks is a load too.
That tacticle reticle looked like it would work great. I'll likely never afford one, have to be happy with my IOR or Simmons.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 2:29:20 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/28/2004 2:33:26 PM EST by Hollywood304]
Is this the one you're talking about. Found it on the website.

1.5-6x42 with Illuminated Reticle



Looks it will be a lot better that the Leupold CQT with that 42mm objective.

ETA

I looked around on the website and found this one. I'm guessing it may be the one you're talking about.

1.1–4 x 20 CQB Police Marksman II

Illuminated Reticle and Bullet Drop Compensated



If you didn't really need the bullet drop, I'd almost rater take the first one with the larger objective.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 2:57:34 PM EST
Bullet drop, or enough BDC demarcations in the reticle, is key.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 6:15:22 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/28/2004 6:17:08 PM EST by DevL]

Originally Posted By Hollywood304:


If you didn't really need the bullet drop, I'd almost rater take the first one with the larger objective.




Why? SO you can lose the 1X abilities to be like a dot scope? So you can have a larger exit pupil than you need at 3-4X in most situations? I dont see the logic.

I think the 1-4 S&B scope is great EXCEPT

Its too heavy, why a 34mm tube on a 4X max scope? Thats retarted and adds unneeded weight.
Why does it have NV settings when you can't use NV behind it?
It needs to be about 2 inches shorter.
I needs to ba about $500 less expensive.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 6:31:20 PM EST

Originally Posted By DevL:
Why? SO you can lose the 1X abilities to be like a dot scope? So you can have a larger exit pupil than you need at 3-4X in most


What determines how tolerant the eye relief is of poor eye / ocular lens alignment, e.g. when shooting fast or from compromised shooting positions?

Doesn't a larger exit pupil help this?

-z
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 6:52:12 PM EST
[Last Edit: 10/28/2004 6:54:36 PM EST by DevL]
Yes but it still wont work as a 1X scope.

Also a smaller exit pupil means you must keep your head centered and if you have agood sight picture then there is no parallax issue. Too big an exit puil can mean too easy to induce shooter head position induced parallax.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 6:53:18 PM EST
I can turn my TA11 into a 1x red dot with a piece of duct tape.
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 6:55:42 PM EST
Id take a turn of a knob to get a true 1X scope than duct tape turning it to an OEG that goes to a different POI than POA.

I mean duct tape? cmon....
Link Posted: 10/28/2004 6:57:05 PM EST
You got to admit, though, it has more style.

-z
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