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Posted: 8/24/2005 1:03:08 PM EDT
I know Botach used to sell loaded IMI ammo, but I don't see it on their website any longer. Anyone else carry IMI ammo?

Thanks,

Josh
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 9:38:39 AM EDT
Come on....anyone got an anwer? Josh
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 10:30:48 AM EDT
Don't know of any IMI M193 available. IMI M855, $289.99/1200 (=$241.66/1000) available at KY Imports.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 4:06:26 PM EDT
Widener's has IMI 193 for $175/1000 plus shipping at
http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=4092
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 4:43:43 PM EDT
I know ammotogo had boxed IMI M855, but as of 2 weeks ago they are sold out. Still, they are expensive ($300 for 900 rounds). KYimports has been sold out of it for a while. I don't know anyone to get IMI M193 from, but I wouldn't mind finding out.
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 5:28:47 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/28/2005 5:52:17 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Troy:

Originally Posted By UK_Fan:
Widener's has IMI 193 for $175/1000 plus shipping at
http://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=4092



That is NOT M193, but commercially-loaded .223 loads. The primary difference being that the commercial loads run around 150 fps slower than military "5.56" loads.

Also, IMI M193 comes in 30-round brown "kraft" boxes in 1200 round cases, not in 20-round color-printed commercial boxes in 1000 round cases.

-Troy



Troy, is the older 1200 round cases of IMI M193 in the 30 round kraft boxes from around 1999-2000 loaded to the higher military round specs than the commercially loaded stuff IMI is selling now ?

Just wondering since I have three cases of it.

Thnaks
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 10:31:26 AM EDT
I am looking for good quality, clean ammo for range use, but I'd like it to be acceptable quality for SHTF. How would Widener's "COMMERCIAL" IMI described above compare with Fed XM193 or with American Eagle 55gr?? Do the military grade xm193 100fps extra oomph justify another $50-70 per 1000??
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 1:53:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By xray:
I am looking for good quality, clean ammo for range use, but I'd like it to be acceptable quality for SHTF. How would Widener's "COMMERCIAL" IMI described above compare with Fed XM193 or with American Eagle 55gr?? Do the military grade xm193 100fps extra oomph justify another $50-70 per 1000??



It's some of the best ammo I've shot out of my AR's. It's a bit weaker than XM193 or Q3131A, but it's still hotter than AE and other commercial ammo. The other plus is that it's crimped and sealed. For me it's a happy medium between shooting quality ammo and being poor (of course with keeping some of the GOOD stuff stashed) I'm not sure someone would notice this vs XM193 if it was flying at them....
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 2:08:58 PM EDT

Originally Posted By xray:
I am looking for good quality, clean ammo for range use, but I'd like it to be acceptable quality for SHTF. How would Widener's "COMMERCIAL" IMI described above compare with Fed XM193 or with American Eagle 55gr?? Do the military grade xm193 100fps extra oomph justify another $50-70 per 1000??



Like Troy said, the IMI commercial .223 is going to be 100-150fps slower than M193 (such as the Federal XM193). It'll be roughly the same speed as the AE. It may be better than the AE as SHTF ammo in that the commercial IMI appears to have sealed primers, and possibly sealed bullets.

You're giving up a bit of frag range by losing that velocity, but otherwise it's probably very good ammo. It may even be "better" insofar as the slightly lower pressure often yields better precision (smaller group size). I may buy some myself soon to shoot instead of my XM193 and Q3131A stash, which is starting to dwindle below 2000.
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 3:33:13 PM EDT
Link Posted: 8/29/2005 6:11:25 PM EDT
I just got 2K of the IMI .223 from Wideners. Haven't shot any of it yet, but I think it will be more than adequate for range use.
Really wish I could find some of the IMI M193 to put away.
Link Posted: 8/30/2005 5:01:28 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 8/30/2005 5:27:51 PM EDT by PALADIN-hgwt]
I chronied Lot 00264/D from Widener's in a 20 inch 1/7 Colt and 16 inch 1/10 Mini-14.

20 inch average velocity was 3048 fps, with an ES of 62. If someone IM's me the Sd formula again I'll do that math. ETA: Sd 21.8

16 inch average velocity was 2925 fps with an ES of 114.

Only fired 60 rds., and 20 of those were over the chrony, so how well it groups is still needing some evaluation. I might get some trigger time with it today, probably use a 1/12 AR w/ 15X and my Rem 700 1/12(20 inch) w/ 4x16. I'm also sitting on 2K of it, it IS better as far as velocity being consistent compared to the UMC I shot recently(about 300 rds.).

The UMC exhibited a ridiculous ES of 282 including a round that went 3216 fps, when it's average was 3047! About 3 empty casings out of 50 showed clear signs of primer pocket leakage, probably from the occasional "hot shot" the chrony identified! Thumbs down on the new UMC...

Paladin

ETA: Range testing revealed the IMI .223 shoots well enough on paper to make a great practice load. AR fired 5 shot groups at 200 yards will stay UNDER 4 inches. 100 yard groups stayed under 2 inches, with some flirting with the 1.5 mark.

IMO the IMI .223 is more accurate than Q3131A, but not as accurate as WWB 45 jhp's.

Not match ammo, but quite "good enough" for everyday blasting. Paladin
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