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Posted: 3/2/2007 4:07:35 AM EST
I thought some folks were working on a PPSH mag block for the AR. I haven't heard anything about them in months. Are they still coming or dead?

Link Posted: 3/3/2007 9:15:50 AM EST
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Link Posted: 3/3/2007 3:26:48 PM EST
Spoke with them last week, have not heard an update as they are actually up at the production/R&D facility following up. They are working a two prong attack, one of which is the adapter. The other I cannot discuss at this time
Link Posted: 3/3/2007 3:35:10 PM EST
I keep telling myself, "patience, patience, patience". I have my PPS43 mags already, now all I need is the block, and an upper. (I could content myself to shoot my 9mm upper, but I really want a 9x23mm upper. A 7.62 Tok upper would not be bad either!)

Patience, patience, patience. All things good take time.

Did I say that I already have mags and mag pouches?

Patience, patience.
Link Posted: 3/3/2007 5:22:13 PM EST

Originally Posted By grendelbane:
I keep telling myself, "patience, patience, patience". I have my PPS43 mags already, now all I need is the block, and an upper. (I could content myself to shoot my 9mm upper, but I really want a 9x23mm upper. A 7.62 Tok upper would not be bad either!)

Patience, patience, patience. All things good take time.

Did I say that I already have mags and mag pouches?

Patience, patience.


I have the mags and a .45 upper. I just want a block.
Link Posted: 4/10/2007 11:13:41 AM EST
BTT?????
Link Posted: 4/12/2007 6:02:22 PM EST
NO news yet, but it looks like I missed a call from them, so perhaps I will know more tomorrow. We are working on a very different approach as well ...
Link Posted: 4/13/2007 1:02:30 PM EST
I am trying my best to be patient, I really am.

Did I already mention that I already have PPS43 mags, and pouches?

Did I mention that bullets can be long seated in 357 SIG cases, and that these look like the will still feed through the PPS43 magazine?

I think I like the 9x23mm better, but the 357 SIGlong has potential. I don't have any examples of 9x25mm Dillon, but the PPS43 mag would even allow it to be a little longer.

Did I mention that I am trying to be patient?

Link Posted: 4/14/2007 5:51:16 AM EST

Originally Posted By grendelbane:
I am trying my best to be patient, I really am.

Did I already mention that I already have PPS43 mags, and pouches?

Did I mention that bullets can be long seated in 357 SIG cases, and that these look like the will still feed through the PPS43 magazine?

I think I like the 9x23mm better, but the 357 SIGlong has potential. I don't have any examples of 9x25mm Dillon, but the PPS43 mag would even allow it to be a little longer.

Did I mention that I am trying to be patient?



Did I mention it should feed .45.
Link Posted: 5/2/2007 11:58:40 AM EST
???
Link Posted: 6/2/2007 4:56:47 AM EST
[Last Edit: 6/2/2007 4:57:09 AM EST by WSAR15]
I'm still interested in the block as well.
Link Posted: 6/2/2007 11:25:58 AM EST
Well, I am TRYING to get my mag well adapter and mag back from the folks I loaned it to, as I have yet to hear ANYTHING from them regarding the adapter ... numerous voice mails have gone unanswered ...

Another company has expressed potential interest so I was going to see about talking with them, but without the sample, it's hard to do a "show and tell". I should, however, have another prototype (from a very helpful customer) here shortly and perhaps then we can make some headway ....

Now, I heard rumors about a custom mag well for the Pps43 magazine, but that doesn't really help those of you wanting to use your existing lowers. I can see about an alternate solution that I have left on the back burner for right now ...

Wish I had better news ...
Link Posted: 6/2/2007 12:54:02 PM EST
Does anybody have Marty's thread on that build bookmarked...and can bump it, I can't seem to find it anymore.

Link Posted: 6/3/2007 5:36:08 AM EST

Originally Posted By bfarrin1:
Does anybody have Marty's thread on that build bookmarked...and can bump it, I can't seem to find it anymore


Is this the one yo're looking for?
Marty's gas system build
Link Posted: 6/3/2007 5:47:13 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR-fan:

Originally Posted By bfarrin1:
Does anybody have Marty's thread on that build bookmarked...and can bump it, I can't seem to find it anymore


Is this the one yo're looking for?
Marty's gas system build


That's it, THANKS!!!!
Link Posted: 6/3/2007 8:51:27 AM EST
BUMP, TAG, and all that stuff.

Seriously.

Sam
Link Posted: 6/3/2007 12:03:33 PM EST
I have been patient. I can be patient a little longer.

Link Posted: 7/8/2007 5:59:07 AM EST
TAG for update.
Link Posted: 7/8/2007 6:17:54 AM EST
I can't believe that it has been more than a month since the last time I said that I would be patient!

They say anything really good is worth waiting for. However, at my age, I don't even like to buy green bananas.

Fortunately, I have other projects occupying my time, (also work, but the less said about that the better).

I keep a PPS 43 magazine loaded with 9x23mm as a paperweight on my desk, so I don't forget the goal.

SNS industries makes a Sten mag block, and that is also an intriguing concept. Some times I wonder if a gas operated 357 SIG would not do what I want. Then again, those 9x23s stack up so neatly in the PPS-43 magazine.
Link Posted: 7/8/2007 8:04:30 AM EST
Heh. At least I have a use for my PPS-43 mags. I bought a PPS-43 and a PPSH-41 from MGS. Hopefully, the PPSH-41 came in while I was out of town. I'd still like to see a magblock
for my AR, though.

Sam
Link Posted: 7/8/2007 4:35:31 PM EST
I have sent a note to Hahn to see if they would be interested in making the adapter. Basically, anyone you can think of that would want to make these, feel free to contact them, forward my contact information, this thread, etc. I have been utterly unsuccessful in making these adapters happen, so anything y'all can do, go for it....
Link Posted: 7/10/2007 1:30:45 AM EST
Tag to keep this on top.
Link Posted: 7/10/2007 5:16:45 PM EST
Well, there is a company that CAN make them and potentially WOULD make them, but there is the everlooming question: How many adapters will we sell? Is it worth our time to do the CNC programming, interrupt current schedules, etc. A very valid question and one that I have a hard time answering. I tell them that I know how many uppers we have sold, how many are on order and that some folks are not ordering because there is no adapter (chicken and egg syndrome)

Essentially, if we could get 50 adapters sold (these would be made and sold by a third party) they could do it, BUT they would be quite costly ... $200+

So I am looking for a solid number of how many of these would realistically be sold. I am also looking at other options still ....
Link Posted: 7/10/2007 5:27:59 PM EST
I'll take one in the $200 range.
Link Posted: 7/10/2007 5:28:15 PM EST

BUT they would be quite costly ... $200+


I already have an investment in magazines. If I can remember where I put them? Anyway, count me in for one.

Though I admit, if your other alternative is less pricey, I would be happy to use it, instead.

How can a hobby be enjoyable if it is not expensive.
Link Posted: 7/10/2007 5:37:46 PM EST
I'm in for one at $200.
Link Posted: 7/10/2007 6:07:26 PM EST
I can live with one for $200. Add me to the list.

Sam
Link Posted: 7/10/2007 6:10:13 PM EST
some one send me a mag and i will try to proto a mag block

it should not be hard at all
Link Posted: 7/10/2007 8:16:18 PM EST

Originally Posted By scotty1911:
some one send me a mag and i will try to proto a mag block

it should not be hard at all


How bout a mag and a proto block ... I need someone who can do volume and sheet metal ... I can't do the sheet metal .... and welding on a very sporadic basis ...
Link Posted: 7/13/2007 4:04:03 AM EST
Just for clarification, this magazine block that we're all saying we want would be for the PPS-43 magazines...not the PPSH-41, right?

Link Posted: 7/13/2007 7:23:59 AM EST
It would have to be. I don't think the "ears" on a PPSH-41 would fit in an AR-15 magwell.

Sam
Link Posted: 7/21/2007 11:52:09 PM EST
I am interested as well.
Link Posted: 7/22/2007 3:56:17 AM EST
Scotty1911, send me your contact info and I can have stuff heading your way!

IM or Email me
Link Posted: 7/25/2007 4:33:51 AM EST
Bump
Link Posted: 8/2/2007 5:18:31 PM EST
bumpity
Link Posted: 8/2/2007 9:13:09 PM EST
I have not yet been able to send the stuff to Scott, which I will do shortly. In the meantime, I used my software to develop the following prototype.

CAVEAT: I do not know if these will work and they may require some tinkering to get them to work

The shell is 8620 steel, parkerized. It fits inside an AR mag well and has a little tab on the back to keep it from falling it (top loading). Cut out for the mag catch. Intended to use tension to kind hold it in place, like a spring. Holes in front to use for mounting the ramp. The dimensions of this shell are such that it is fully inside the AR mag well and should hold the PPS 43 mag in place



The ramp is steel, in the drawing it is not quite complete as it still needs to have some more slope to the ramp proper. Nothing a decent Dremel tool can't do and I hope to have final versions that will have the proper ramp. These would attach to the shell, I suppose with some flat head screws or roll pins and some epoxy.



Not sure what the overall cost of these would be, but it would seem around $100 to $150 (that is for having 10 made, which is about the number of folks interested right now, if we make more, the price comes down ...)

Something to try? They likely will require some fitting ... tinkering ... cursing ... sweating ... and eventually, hopefully, success ...
Link Posted: 8/3/2007 3:39:30 AM EST
[Last Edit: 8/3/2007 7:15:10 AM EST by spunk]
If these get made and working i'm in for one.
Link Posted: 8/3/2007 3:44:48 AM EST
Marty,
I hope you realize that the same design, with minor modifications can be used for other magazines as well. One magazine that comes to mind is that one you found at SARCO -- didn't you find that it would hold a fairly good amount of 45acp? Good going Marty -- I hope the design can get to production.
Link Posted: 8/19/2007 4:30:04 PM EST
BTT
Link Posted: 8/19/2007 4:55:07 PM EST
Should get the adapter shown above made in the next few weeks. Looking at them, they should take the Sten mags as well, also the MKMO mags (those 50 rounders from SARCO) and ... I need to check, but if you leave out the ramp. they might accept M1 Carbine mags. I have no idea what that latter might bring, but hey ... 22/30 Carbine?
Link Posted: 8/29/2007 8:47:18 AM EST
???
Link Posted: 8/29/2007 9:21:19 AM EST
Marty

I'm in for one block (I'd even pre-order) and a SBR 7.62x25mm upper.

While exotic ammo is nice, just being able to shoot surplus 762x25mm would be awesome.
Link Posted: 9/9/2007 9:33:21 AM EST
intresting
Link Posted: 9/16/2007 1:42:20 PM EST
Making any progress with the PPSh43 mag block?
Link Posted: 9/27/2007 10:34:29 AM EST
????
Link Posted: 9/28/2007 11:07:49 AM EST

Originally Posted By AR-fan:

Originally Posted By JIMBEAM:
I was planning on using it for .45.



Ask Marty if the Oly ejector spring thing might get involved with the magazine or magwell adapter with his design.


Not sure, the mag might be back too far ... I'd have to see. As to the status on these, being a small job for the type of shop that does this work, it keeps getting bumped down the schedule. We're talking with another firm to see if they can do it. Never thought getting an adapter made would take this much ....
Link Posted: 10/11/2007 4:27:13 AM EST
????
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