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Posted: 1/2/2003 12:44:02 PM EST
Are all of you noticing that ammo supply is drying up? SA Battlepacks
are non-existant and Cheaperthandirt is now out of Q3131A. What gives? Is
anyone hearing any rumors. Is it time to start buying while the buying is good?
Anyidea if more ammo is sitting on the docks awaiting distribution?

Thanks in advance.
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 12:52:08 PM EST
... I got boatloads of [b]Wolf[/b] ammo and it's getting cheaper each day. ... Before the [b]Wolf[/b] bashers flame me for it, I must say that every one of my weapons that are chambered for 5.56 NATO digests it [u]JUST FINE[/u]. No failures, no gunk that's not cleaned away at the end of the day and accurate within reason. ... I keep a nice stash of Q3131A on hand but wouldn't hesitate one minute to delve into a SHTF scenario with my trusty [b]Wolf[/b].
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 12:57:52 PM EST
I dunno about "drying up" but I suspect that mil surplus is going to get harder, not easier to come by.
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 1:05:07 PM EST
[Last Edit: 1/2/2003 1:05:36 PM EST by tatjana]
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf: ... I got boatloads of [b]Wolf[/b] ammo and it's getting cheaper each day. ... Before the [b]Wolf[/b] bashers flame me for it, I must say that every one of my weapons that are chambered for 5.56 NATO digests it [u]JUST FINE[/u]. No failures, no gunk that's not cleaned away at the end of the day and accurate within reason. ... I keep a nice stash of Q3131A on hand but wouldn't hesitate one minute to delve into a SHTF scenario with my trusty [b]Wolf[/b].
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Wow. I hope you don't plan to use it for self defense.
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 1:38:54 PM EST
Who knows what the future will bring . I MIGHT hit the lottery But I don't count it . Expect the worst and you won't be dissapointed . If you are worried and have extra mula than now is the time for you to stock up . If nothin happens than you have a good excuse to go target shootin . I am always lookin for good ammo deals . Where is the best deal on .45 acp and 9mm ??
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 3:42:37 PM EST
It did seem like USGI dried up before Afghanistan, I haven't noticed any problems so far.
Link Posted: 1/2/2003 3:54:27 PM EST
"Ammo will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no ammo..." F. Franklin 1968
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Link Posted: 1/3/2003 1:32:54 PM EST
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 1:43:30 PM EST
Originally Posted By tatjana:
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf: ... wouldn't hesitate one minute to delve into a SHTF scenario with my trusty [b]Wolf[/b].
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Wow. I hope you don't plan to use it for self defense.
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... True that it's not my defensive load but I can't understand why so many bash it. When I go plinking I'll often run through 1000 rounds in a day. Wolf works great in these applications. ... Now if for some reason I was down to my last case and it happened to "only" be Wolf I'm sure it would do in a pinch. No?
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 4:26:12 PM EST
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf: ... Now if for some reason I was down to my last case and it happened to "only" be Wolf I'm sure it would do in a pinch. No?
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If it's all you had, I guess you'd shoot it. Beats a pointed stick.
Link Posted: 1/3/2003 7:54:28 PM EST
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf:
Originally Posted By tatjana:
Originally Posted By Winston_Wolf: ... wouldn't hesitate one minute to delve into a SHTF scenario with my trusty [b]Wolf[/b].
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Wow. I hope you don't plan to use it for self defense.
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... True that it's not my defensive load but I can't understand why so many bash it. When I go plinking I'll often run through 1000 rounds in a day. Wolf works great in these applications. ... Now if for some reason I was down to my last case and it happened to "only" be Wolf I'm sure it would do in a pinch. No?
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Wolf wouldn't be my first choice for defense but I wouldn't think twice about using it if necessary. Out of the thousands of rounds I've shot, I've had only 1 dud round and zero jams. Of course with my luck the second dud would be the one I really really needed to go BANG!
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 5:56:11 AM EST
Originally Posted By Glock31: Wolf wouldn't be my first choice for defense but I wouldn't think twice about using it if necessary. Out of the thousands of rounds I've shot, I've had only 1 dud round and zero jams. Of course with my luck the second dud would be the one I really really needed to go BANG!
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... Yes, most likely it is statistically on par with any other manufacturers ammo for squib loads. Damn, I gotta get to the range!
Link Posted: 1/4/2003 6:26:39 PM EST
Went to gun shop today They had 7,000 rounds of Q3131A so evidently no problem. Had just gotten in. Bought another 1,000
Link Posted: 1/5/2003 4:38:56 PM EST
55 grn is easy to find. M855 (62grn steel core) is scarce, and it's the load I prefer. While I was in the USMC, i never shot a single round of xm193. Is it used by the army for training?
Link Posted: 1/6/2003 1:31:10 AM EST
Originally Posted By Hydguy: 55 grn is easy to find. M855 (62grn steel core) is scarce, and it's the load I prefer. While I was in the USMC, i never shot a single round of xm193. Is it used by the army for training?
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Actually, the M193 ammo used to be the standard issue combat round for all services when the M16A1 rifle was in service. This rifle has a 1 in 12 twist barrel. Later when FN developed the M249 SAW, they increased the twist to 1 in 7 and developed the newer SS109 round for better penetration at longer ranges. Sometime during the early to mid 1980's they decided to change twists on the M-16's and so all the M-16A2's and newer variants use the 1 in 7 twist rate and fire the M855 cartridge. The slower 1 in 12 twist was not sufficient to stabilize the longer SS109 bullet. So M193 remained in production for units still using the older A1 rifles. BTW, many M-16A1's remain in service with national guard units today. -Charging Handle
Link Posted: 1/7/2003 1:46:50 PM EST
Originally Posted By Charging_Handle:
Originally Posted By Hydguy: 55 grn is easy to find. M855 (62grn steel core) is scarce, and it's the load I prefer. While I was in the USMC, i never shot a single round of xm193. Is it used by the army for training?
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Actually, the M193 ammo used to be the standard issue combat round for all services when the M16A1 rifle was in service. This rifle has a 1 in 12 twist barrel. Later when FN developed the M249 SAW, they increased the twist to 1 in 7 and developed the newer SS109 round for better penetration at longer ranges. Sometime during the early to mid 1980's they decided to change twists on the M-16's and so all the M-16A2's and newer variants use the 1 in 7 twist rate and fire the M855 cartridge. The slower 1 in 12 twist was not sufficient to stabilize the longer SS109 bullet. So M193 remained in production for units still using the older A1 rifles. BTW, many M-16A1's remain in service with national guard units today. -Charging Handle
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The green tip on M855 is used to indicate "emergency use only" for M855 in M16A1s and other slow twist firearms. M855 is okay out to abotu 90 yards or so from 1/12 rifling, IIRC. Troy, That was funny as hell..... [:D] Scott
Link Posted: 1/7/2003 2:15:35 PM EST
Don't know if this is a permenant or temporary supply issue but have over the years found it fluctuates. Sometimes you just can't find surplus and then you swim in it. I prefer the 5.56mm 62 grain or 63 but don't have an issue with shooting the .223 55 grain which seems to always be around for a good price.
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