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Posted: 11/2/2004 7:15:02 AM EST
I just saw a post on EE/accessories trying to sell an airsoft replica KAC M4 QD silencer. I didn't want to step on his ad but aren't they illegal to put on real firearms (and unsafe)? I have seen fake silencers that are legal because they are solid aluminum-no chambers, baffles, etc. I think the Airsoft units are hollow and use foam to silence the pellets. Just curious.
Ed
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 7:16:18 AM EST

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Link Posted: 11/2/2004 7:20:52 AM EST
Ed, I don't know about the legality of putting an Airsoft supressor on a real rifle. But I sure as heck want to see the video the first time a round is fired through it!
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 8:06:51 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2004 8:08:33 AM EST by Onslaught]
That's probably the $200 MFI KAC clone that's not a real silencer at all, but just a solid aluminum piece as well. If so, MFI says that:


All MFI Fake Silencers are DESIGNED FOR REAL WEAPONS, but will also fit replica & airsoft weapons with appropriate adapters. These do NOT suppress sound in any way and are 100% legal for the regular civilian to own in all 50 US States.




It is my understanding that ANY device that suppresses the sound of a projectile firing weapon, INCLUDING PAINTBALL and AIRSOFT fall under the same laws as a firearms suppressor.

You did the right thing by following ARFCOM rules and not "stepping" on the ad on the EE. Good job.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 8:37:11 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 8:42:25 AM EST
Does a fake suppessor affect the ballastics of a firearm? I would tend to think it would mess up accuracy.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 8:49:02 AM EST
Onslaught,
The ad says it mounts with a real KAC M4 QD flash supressor. I've seen the MFI units and they do not mount this way. The "real" airsoft units do. This leads me to think it is a hollow design and could get an unsuspecting buyer in trouble, even if it was just for display and he never fired a round through it.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 9:51:15 AM EST
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 10:18:03 AM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2004 10:18:42 AM EST by windom]
Most airsoft silencers are illegal, as they have a hollow cavity on the inside, 99% of them are metal, but will probably explode with a shot being fired through them.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 10:50:13 AM EST
Lumpy, with all due respect for I value your opinion, the fact that in actual terms, it is FAKE (airsoft), does not mean that ATF does not think of them as illegal without the same forms and tax stamp as a "real" silencer.

The "FAKE" silencers that MFI sells, as well as a couple of others, are legal because they have no chambers, cavities or hollow areas. They are solid metal with a single, cylindrical passage through them. The airsoft "fakes" meet the definition of a silencer as defined by the ATF so even though these are toys and will blow up if used on a real weapon, all their rules apply.
Ed
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 12:29:36 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 12:34:17 PM EST
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 12:43:01 PM EST

Originally Posted By ducati650:
I think the Airsoft units are hollow and use foam to silence the pellets.




I think that is the funniest thing I've read in a long time. That's right up there with the moron who bump fired his gun under water.
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 12:58:17 PM EST
No, the funniest thing was an Airsofter who posted and wanted to convert a SunProject M203 to fire an actual 203 practice round!!

famous last words "HEY GUYS WATCH THIS!"

FILM AT ELEVEN!
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 2:51:06 PM EST
Coming this winter to a christmas tree near you, the Birdman M203 launcher...
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 3:56:32 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2004 3:57:49 PM EST by sjauch]
Hey, don't be knocking Birdman, I have their sights. They are the heat!

Link Posted: 11/2/2004 6:25:57 PM EST

Originally Posted By ducati650:
The "FAKE" silencers that MFI sells, as well as a couple of others, are legal because they have no chambers, cavities or hollow areas. They are solid metal with a single, cylindrical passage through them. The airsoft "fakes" meet the definition of a silencer as defined by the ATF so even though these are toys and will blow up if used on a real weapon, all their rules apply.
Ed



a buddy of mine has the MFI fake M4-style KAC - it is indeed a solid outer body over a solid steel adapter tube with a 1/2" inner dia. very heavy, no cavity, no plastic. there are two models, one that screws onto the end of the barrel, and another slip-over model, much like the 5 or 6" slip-over flash hiders that give that XM177E2 look. it's no different than installing a 6" hider on the end of your barrel. the weight *might* affect POI, but it didn't affect accuracy either way (that we could see), or change the sound level. i'd avoid them - useless addition of weight to your weapon.

cheers,
MM
Link Posted: 11/2/2004 8:51:06 PM EST
[Last Edit: 11/2/2004 8:52:40 PM EST by Onslaught]
I think I'm going to duct-tape a roll of this toilet paper onto my AR next time I go armadillo-popping to see if it's any quieter...

Link Posted: 11/2/2004 11:11:17 PM EST

Originally Posted By Onslaught:
I think I'm going to duct-tape a roll of this toilet paper onto my AR next time I go armadillo-popping to see if it's any quieter... href=www.justtoiletpaper.com/camocombolarge2.jpg



And I shall report you to the ATF! hock.gif LOL
Link Posted: 11/3/2004 8:11:20 AM EST
Not that I would ever want one of these, but I've seen them used by Vector on their HK-93/53 clones. If you go to their site www.vectorarms.com , you will see variations of their guns that come with this MFI "suppressor". I guess it should be okay to use this on a real firearms if you like.
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