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Posted: 10/16/2003 9:44:00 AM EDT
Has anyone seen anthing other the Aimpoint M-68 QD mount on any pics out of SW Asia? I see lots of M-4's but all the mounts are the same. There are some different variations of the BIS, KAC, and a wierd one with the 101st that has a sliding elevation scale but I've never seen ARMS over there. Any discussion on this?
Link Posted: 10/16/2003 10:53:41 AM EDT
Link Posted: 10/16/2003 12:45:28 PM EDT
Basically Aimpoint QRP railgrabber(NSN-1240-01-439-7265) with half moon spacer is official issue. Backup sights are the Knights 300 meter that come with the SOPMOD kit. I have seen the Knight's Cantilever mount used with the Force Recon Guys and Standard Knight's mount used with the DEVGRU guys.
Link Posted: 10/16/2003 3:28:33 PM EDT
The BIS I was referring to isn't a Knight's. Look in the latest issue of Small Arms Review, about page 61. There is an article about 3-187 of the 101st. Look closely at the BIS's those guys have on their M-4's.
Link Posted: 10/16/2003 3:34:07 PM EDT
The BIS I was referring to isn't a Knight's. Look in the latest issue of Small Arms Review, about page 61. There is an article about 3-187 of the 101st. Look closely at the BIS's those guys have on their M-4's.
Link Posted: 10/16/2003 5:42:39 PM EDT
Originally Posted By Troy: Those of us spending our own money can get whatever we want, and since the ARMS mount is the best, that's what most of us have.
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I'll keep my QRP. The 22M68 ARMS I had was loose on my Bushmaster flattop. No problems with the QRP. Even assuming the ARMS fit correctly, it's tit for tat.
Link Posted: 10/17/2003 4:21:55 AM EDT
There is a lot of ARMS stuff in the field. If you look at the cover of Newsweek soon after 911, you yill see a spec ops guy with the #38 rail with the #40 built in, being used by spec ops. Aimpoint sell the #22M68 as a package to Gov't orders. Good shootin, Jack
Link Posted: 10/17/2003 8:18:23 AM EDT
Originally Posted By 101ABN327: a wierd one with the 101st that has a sliding elevation scale
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Was the sight this one? [img]http://web.utk.edu/~utpolice/Graphics/buis.jpg[/img] This is a sight that the picatinny arsenal came up with. Never seen it up close but looks a little complicated for a backup sight.
Link Posted: 10/17/2003 8:53:41 AM EDT
3rdtk-fill us in about the problems concernig the picatinny BUIS. I remember snagging.
Link Posted: 10/17/2003 10:35:47 AM EDT
That's it! Is this sight available on the market or was it a contract only? I've never seen it advertised on this site or any other dealer of stuff unique to the M-4.
Link Posted: 10/17/2003 11:00:28 AM EDT
I think also the Picatinny buis was also folding when hit under contact and snapping off at the base of the aperature as well
Link Posted: 10/17/2003 6:52:47 PM EDT
Only one aperature, small, no good for QCB. Nick name RAT TRAP, because it acts like one since when you raise it for elevation the center arm goes up and when lowering, it can get jammed (UP) from the slightest bit of debri light dirt, twigs, etc. etc. It hurts like hell when the protruding elivation knob gets ya. They tried to emulate the spring action of the ARMS #40, but they put a catch that grabs the sight post if you hit it more than a little and thus defeats the spring back action. Takes up more space of the top rail than it should, and therefore screws up eye relief adjustment for short eye relief optics, and espec, NV monoculars. The cheap and thin securing socket head screw loves to break during instalation. Those are just some of the problems. Very bad shootin, Jack
Link Posted: 10/17/2003 11:49:05 PM EDT
No its not avalible as of yet. but really the arms 40 is much better than that one. FREE
Originally Posted By 101ABN327: That's it! Is this sight available on the market or was it a contract only? I've never seen it advertised on this site or any other dealer of stuff unique to the M-4.
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Link Posted: 10/18/2003 12:20:28 AM EDT
Originally Posted By FREEFALLE6: No its not avalible as of yet. but really the arms 40 is much better than that one. FREE
Originally Posted By 101ABN327: That's it! Is this sight available on the market or was it a contract only? I've never seen it advertised on this site or any other dealer of stuff unique to the M-4.
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Correctomundo. Go with the ARMS #40. The best BUIS in the market.
Link Posted: 10/18/2003 11:29:00 AM EDT
Originally Posted By ipschoser1: I'll keep my QRP. The 22M68 ARMS I had was loose on my Bushmaster flattop. No problems with the QRP. Even assuming the ARMS fit correctly, it's tit for tat.
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I had the same problem with my 22M68. I tried it on several different uppers of different makes and it kept moving, not keeping zero. Then I went to the Aimpoint QRP and no more problems. I believe the ARMS mount is the most overated piece of shit ever.
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 2:57:44 AM EDT
Originally Posted By scottryan:
Originally Posted By ipschoser1: I'll keep my QRP. The 22M68 ARMS I had was loose on my Bushmaster flattop. No problems with the QRP. Even assuming the ARMS fit correctly, it's tit for tat.
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I had the same problem with my 22M68. I tried it on several different uppers of different makes and it kept moving, not keeping zero. Then I went to the Aimpoint QRP and no more problems. I believe the ARMS mount is the most overated piece of shit ever.
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Have you tried contacting ARMS to let them check out your #22M68? They have great customer service, and it could be something wrong with that individual mount. I've got two M2's in #22M68's that I haven't had any problems with, but [u]guaranteed[/u] that ARMS would hear from me if I was in your situation 'cuz I'd be PISSED! Chris
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 12:30:14 PM EDT
Originally Posted By mrcr0603: Have you tried contacting ARMS to let them check out your #22M68? They have great customer service, and it could be something wrong with that individual mount. I've got two M2's in #22M68's that I haven't had any problems with, but [u]guaranteed[/u] that ARMS would hear from me if I was in your situation 'cuz I'd be PISSED! Chris
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Chris I called ARMS and the guy I talked to said the mount should move. He said to slide it all the way forward in the slot and lock the lever. However, when I did this, the mount would slide back after firing the rifle. He said the reason why the mount was made loose is so a soldier can attach the mount when is is covered in mud or snow. I new that was bullshit so I quickly sold the mount. I'm not tring to start a flame war but this is my experience with the mount and is 100% true.
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 2:04:27 PM EDT
My mount does not move even so much as a nanometer! And as for sliding it forward in the slot...??? To mount mine, I do it from side-to-side and then lock it down. It has been removed dozens of times and every range visit results in perfect accuracy the same as before. I wonder if somehow the fact that I accidently received the TRI-POWER mount in the #22M68 box has something to do with it? Or maybe ARMS released some of these mounts out-of-spec and chose the "movement issue" to hide their screw up? Mine does NOT move!
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 4:46:04 PM EDT
I use an issue M68 QD mount from Aimpoint. I figured if it was issued to the Army it must be GI proof and have a tested track record of durability. Of everything I have read no soldier has had anything bad to say about it. I use the 300m KAC flip up. Good enough for the Army, good enough for me.
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 8:19:08 PM EDT
TOTAL BULLSHIT, NO RING, GOES BACK AFTER FIRERING, they all stay forward, and or move forward if not pushed there. All military mounts are made to fit the mil spec slots in the receiver, for the very reason that the cross bar will not get hung up from going onto the reciver from mud, etc.hence nothch clearance by mil spec! The answer you got from ARMS and or will get from any other mil spec maker will be the same, whether you understand it or not is another issue. There are a lot of undersize out of spec receivers out there that a throw lever won't be tight on, but the scope still doesn't go back from recoil, since for every action there is a reaction, Physics ONE, experience two. Undersize receivers also make the ring tilt more than it should to the left if the lever or knob are on the left, tilt to the right if tightened on the right. Jack
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 8:26:58 PM EDT
3rdtk....clear out your IM box man.
Link Posted: 10/19/2003 8:32:11 PM EDT
Yep
Link Posted: 10/20/2003 12:28:34 PM EDT
Mine is on a Swan sleeve, and does NOT move.
Link Posted: 10/20/2003 3:25:36 PM EDT
underdog_m4, if I remember correctly that is an older BUIS design that was being evaluated. I'm pretty sure the design was abandoned by the military. I remember posts about it a year or so ago.
Link Posted: 10/20/2003 10:45:40 PM EDT
Originally Posted By 3rdtk: since for every action there is a reaction, Physics ONE, experience two.
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Wrong, Action/reaction has nothing to do with this. It's Newton's first law which applies here NOT Newton's third law
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