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Posted: 7/4/2012 8:52:21 PM EST
[Last Edit: 7/4/2012 8:52:45 PM EST by Bachelor_of_Science]
I have a QRP2 on my M4S right now and looking to upgrade a bit. I'm not entirely disappointed with the QRP, but I'd like to buy something that has a quick detachable lever. I've been looking at what LaRue has to offer, GG&G, American Defense and BOBRO. Any comments?
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ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
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LaRue. Hands down. Not even a debate.
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callmenoshie: "saying that females have the potential to be "bat shit crazy" is like saying the sky has the potential to be blue."
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As you can see thru the Aimpoint, why the interest in the QD? Curious. I have been asking myself why I had some QD's on some of my stuff recently.
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Originally Posted By slappomatt:
LaRue. Hands down. Not even a debate. +1 |
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I used to say LaRue, now I say Bobro. Every comparative test that has been performed seems to put Bobro ahead of them in RTZ, and I feel that the Bobro is the sturdier interface.
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Originally Posted By Woody600:
As you can see thru the Aimpoint, why the interest in the QD? Curious. I have been asking myself why I had some QD's on some of my stuff recently. It's mainly aesthetics. I just don't like the burly knob on the side and would like a little more fluidity. Like I said, I don't have many complaints about it (QRP), just want to get something a little less obtrusive, if that makes sense. |
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Originally Posted By Bachelor_of_Science:
Originally Posted By Woody600:
As you can see thru the Aimpoint, why the interest in the QD? Curious. I have been asking myself why I had some QD's on some of my stuff recently. It's mainly aesthetics. I just don't like the burly knob on the side and would like a little more fluidity. Like I said, I don't have many complaints about it (QRP), just want to get something a little less obtrusive, if that makes sense. It's also all but physically impossible for a QD mount to vibrate loose. |
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Originally Posted By slappomatt:
LaRue. Hands down. Not even a debate. I agree fully. Larue mounts are the best. |
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Field Artillery.
Team Ranstad adoptee. |
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Originally Posted By Nameless_Hobo:
Originally Posted By slappomatt:
LaRue. Hands down. Not even a debate. I agree fully. Larue mounts are the best. I would have said that last week, but after playing with a Brobo that came on the SRS I have a new favorite. |
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I have an M4s on a bo bro QD mount I just dummy cord the red dot to the rifle anyway but I got the whole set up off the EE for $500 shipped and I see M4s and M4 Aimpoint all the time in the $500 to $550 range on there.I love it.Ive had the Larue maounts and those are great but with bo bro its a friction QD mount and automatically adapts to any width rail within the spec Larue has a nut that has to be adjusted for fit.
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Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
I used to say LaRue, now I say Bobro. Every comparative test that has been performed seems to put Bobro ahead of them in RTZ, and I feel that the Bobro is the sturdier interface. Care to link to any of those tests? Not flaming, I'm genuinely curious (well, then I might have a few comments... |
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Originally Posted By texags06:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
I used to say LaRue, now I say Bobro. Every comparative test that has been performed seems to put Bobro ahead of them in RTZ, and I feel that the Bobro is the sturdier interface. Care to link to any of those tests? Not flaming, I'm genuinely curious (well, then I might have a few comments... They were removed after communication from Mark LaRue. Lowlight from Sniper's hide tested them. http://weww.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2217038&page=2 However, Trijicon tested multiple mounts before selecting Bobro for their SRS optic. The Bobro was the best one they tested, and their test equipment could not detect any shift. I would be surprised if LaRue was NOT tested. This mirrors the results of numerous people who have tested the Bobro mounts. They have no discernible shift. LaRue usually averages less than 1 MOA, so still very good. I cannot link you to them, because links to that site are not allowed. Me personally? I just like Bobro mounts because a) they actually fit the M4S (one of my LaRue mounts would not, as the adjustment nut kept hitting the battery housing far before the optic could be bolted on), and b) they are machined much better, as both of my mounts from LaRue had poor quality of machining on the rail interface lug's load-bearing face. This is shown here, as a visible wear pattern, on the original (it came already attached to my M4S, and did fit.):
and here on the replacement (it was not even close to fitting, so I never was able to shoot it, but the visual inspection and caliper measurements show the same flaw, and .002" machining variance):
It measured .002" difference across the face. So yeah, I love my LaRue flashlight mounts, as they are simple and secure, but they are not precise enough for me to use for an optic, as I feel that things that hold optics to weapons should be machined evenly. But then, maybe I'm just being OCD. |
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Absolute co-witness?
I have the Bobro on my M4s and love it, rock solid. |
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I have a couple Larue mounts and love them, but after getting a used Bobro with a scope i bought, It is now my favorite mount. Everything about it is exceptional quality and the qd is easier to use and it seems like it clamps better to me. Im gonna go with them for optic mounts from now on. still going to keep my Larue flashlight mounts and bipod mount though
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The beauty of ANY business it NO ONE is entitled to just be the best w/o question forever. I own lots of LaRue stuff and will probably still buy things from them, especially a rifle. The Brobo mount on the SRS just blew me away though. Such a better design. All is not lost LaRue, make another one –– even better. The world goes on.
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When Bobro makes a scope mount for traditional optics that actually allows you to get a torque wrench on it, maybe I will give them a shot. I tried one, and sold it. The bolts/screws that they use suck.
Until then I'll be putting all of my high end optics in Larue mounts- super easy to level, and I can get a common torque wrench on it. They do everything I need them to and I have taken my optics off plenty. BTW, properly installed Larue mounts RTZ at about .1moa, not 1moa. I have not detected a shift when I have removed and reinstalled mine. For optics that dont have traditional ring style mounts, Bobro I'm sure is a good option as well. I personally prefer the simplicity of the Larue design. Its a solid peice with very few moving parts. The bobro I'm sure works fine, but their mounts are much more complicated with quite a few more parts. |
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Originally Posted By Marksman14:
When Bobro makes a scope mount for traditional optics that actually allows you to get a torque wrench on it, maybe I will give them a shot. I tried one, and sold it. The bolts/screws that they use suck. Until then I'll be putting all of my high end optics in Larue mounts- super easy to level, and I can get a common torque wrench on it. They do everything I need them to and I have taken my optics off plenty. BTW, properly installed Larue mounts RTZ at about .1moa, not 1moa. I have not detected a shift when I have removed and reinstalled mine. For optics that dont have traditional ring style mounts, Bobro I'm sure is a good option as well. I personally prefer the simplicity of the Larue design. Its a solid peice with very few moving parts. The bobro I'm sure works fine, but their mounts are much more complicated with quite a few more parts. They do. Link. |
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Yep, 12_gauges post seemed a bit too familiar ...
""Junk LaRue Comp M4 LT659-NV Mount *THIS ITEM IS PAID FOR AND SOLD*" " " Something looks fishy " " And a face with a screen-name " |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Yep, 12_gauges post seemed a bit too familiar ... ""Junk LaRue Comp M4 LT659-NV Mount *THIS ITEM IS PAID FOR AND SOLD*" " " Something looks fishy " " And a face with a screen-name " Yep, that's me. Pretty poor face pic, though. Let me give you something better that a fuzzy profile shot.
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Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Yep, 12_gauges post seemed a bit too familiar ... ""Junk LaRue Comp M4 LT659-NV Mount *THIS ITEM IS PAID FOR AND SOLD*" " " Something looks fishy " " And a face with a screen-name " Yep, that's me. Pretty poor face pic, though. Let me give you something better that a fuzzy profile shot. ![]() Did they Fedex you another car once you found out it had dirt on the tires ? |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Yep, 12_gauges post seemed a bit too familiar ... ""Junk LaRue Comp M4 LT659-NV Mount *THIS ITEM IS PAID FOR AND SOLD*" " " Something looks fishy " " And a face with a screen-name " Yep, that's me. Pretty poor face pic, though. Let me give you something better that a fuzzy profile shot. http://oi47.tinypic.com/2nsao36.jpg Did they Fedex you another car once you found out it had dirt on the tires ? It actually arrived with a crack 1/2" long in the cf fender. The manager of the bowling green facility spoke directly with me, arranging a new one for it. Yes, it fit. No, it did not have the same problem that the first one did. |
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In on One
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Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Yep, 12_gauges post seemed a bit too familiar ... ""Junk LaRue Comp M4 LT659-NV Mount *THIS ITEM IS PAID FOR AND SOLD*" " " Something looks fishy " " And a face with a screen-name " Yep, that's me. Pretty poor face pic, though. Let me give you something better that a fuzzy profile shot. http://oi47.tinypic.com/2nsao36.jpg Did they Fedex you another car once you found out it had dirt on the tires ? It actually arrived with a crack 1/2" long in the cf fender. The manager of the bowling green facility spoke directly with me, arranging a new one for it. Yes, it fit. No, it did not have the same problem that the first one did. News flash 10%er, like the majority of the readers noted, there was nothing wrong with the first mount you received from us ... .... just like that 1/2" fender crack ... it's all in your head.
ETA - You also made all kinds of comments that don't jive for sh*t with the volume of mounts Trijicon is shipping to the military in our mounts. Just sayin' and makin' a note of the lack of authenticity of your information ... |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Yep, 12_gauges post seemed a bit too familiar ... ""Junk LaRue Comp M4 LT659-NV Mount *THIS ITEM IS PAID FOR AND SOLD*" " " Something looks fishy " " And a face with a screen-name " Yep, that's me. Pretty poor face pic, though. Let me give you something better that a fuzzy profile shot. http://oi47.tinypic.com/2nsao36.jpg Did they Fedex you another car once you found out it had dirt on the tires ? It actually arrived with a crack 1/2" long in the cf fender. The manager of the bowling green facility spoke directly with me, arranging a new one for it. Yes, it fit. No, it did not have the same problem that the first one did. News flash 10%er, like the majority of the readers noted, there was nothing wrong with the first mount you received from us ... .... just like that 1/2" fender crack ... it's all in your head.
ETA - You also made all kinds of comments that don't jive for sh*t with the volume of mounts Trijicon is shipping to the military in our mounts. Just sayin' and makin' a note of the lack of authenticity of your information ... Your outfit sent me a mount with a foot that had a .002" variance across the load-bearing portion of it (per my micrometer readings, YMMV, as your toys look fancier than mine). It was included with my optic. I sent photo's of the un-even wear produced by the un-even surface. Your phone-answering person (forgot their name) said "That's not right." when they saw the pictures I sent. My mount was promptly replaced with another one. This one did not fit my M4S, it would not even attach to the optic. However, looking at it, I could see if was un-evenly machined. I measured it. It mic'ed the same as my first mount. None of the other mounts I have from you have any variance on the recoil-bearing lug's front face. This is how your mounts should look after a bit of wear:
This is how the one you sent me for my M4S looked after a range session:
Fired on the same upper, on the same T-slot as the first mount (TA44). This leads me to 3 possible conclusions: 1: You do not feel that the recoil-baring face of the lug needs to be machined flat, and run-out isn't measured, or the tolerances I saw are acceptable when measured. 2: You have determined that it is superior for only 1 half of the recoil lug's face to interact with the rail, and this is a design feature. 3: You made a bad batch of mounts and are trying to shift focus from this snafu. I'm going with 3, because... -When I called, and e-mailed photo's, I was told that it was not right. It was never called a design feature. I was never told "The tolerance for this part is greater than the variance, and un-even contact is expected/acceptable". -I was sent a mount that would not physically fit my optic. The lever adjustment nut (no-matter how loose or tight I set the mount by itself on my rail) kept hitting the battery compartment on my M4S. -I was sent a mount that mic'ed identically to the first––which I mailed to you with dimensions listed. Why replace my mount with one that is identical to the first without explaining why, and expecting me to be cool with it? Why send me a mount that will not even fit an M4S for some reason I didn't bother to determine other than outlined? Most companies that have attempted to build a reputation on perfection will at least verify that the replacement part is not identical in the same way that the original was returned for. You dropped the ball, and you happened to drop the ball on me, and I happened to take pictures of it, explain what happened as best I can, and now you're in "blame the customer" mode. I guess here's your choice. Stick to your guns that 0.002" variance is acceptable on this part and I'm more precise in my expectations than you are in your offerings, or admit that yes, even LaRue Tactical can drop the ball sometimes, and let us know what exactly went wrong with what seems like a batch of those mounts (I don't know how many it was, maybe I got the only two in the world?) You can tell me "It's all in my head" all you want, Mark (I'm Jon, btw, or as your sales staff calls me, "Bud"), but neither the camera nor micrometer add two thousandths. |
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Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Yep, 12_gauges post seemed a bit too familiar ... ""Junk LaRue Comp M4 LT659-NV Mount *THIS ITEM IS PAID FOR AND SOLD*" " " Something looks fishy " " And a face with a screen-name " Yep, that's me. Pretty poor face pic, though. Let me give you something better that a fuzzy profile shot. http://oi47.tinypic.com/2nsao36.jpg Did they Fedex you another car once you found out it had dirt on the tires ? It actually arrived with a crack 1/2" long in the cf fender. The manager of the bowling green facility spoke directly with me, arranging a new one for it. Yes, it fit. No, it did not have the same problem that the first one did. News flash 10%er, like the majority of the readers noted, there was nothing wrong with the first mount you received from us ... .... just like that 1/2" fender crack ... it's all in your head.
ETA - You also made all kinds of comments that don't jive for sh*t with the volume of mounts Trijicon is shipping to the military in our mounts. Just sayin' and makin' a note of the lack of authenticity of your information ... Your outfit sent me a mount with a foot that had a .002" variance across the load-bearing portion of it (per my micrometer readings, YMMV, as your toys look fancier than mine). It was included with my optic. I sent photo's of the un-even wear produced by the un-even surface. Your phone-answering person (forgot their name) said "That's not right." when they saw the pictures I sent. My mount was promptly replaced with another one. This one did not fit my M4S, it would not even attach to the optic. However, looking at it, I could see if was un-evenly machined. I measured it. It mic'ed the same as my first mount. None of the other mounts I have from you have any variance on the recoil-bearing lug's front face. This is how your mounts should look after a bit of wear: http://i39.tinypic.com/jgqtqp.jpg This is how the one you sent me for my M4S looked after a range session: http://i44.tinypic.com/nx3jmt.jpg Fired on the same upper, on the same T-slot as the first mount (TA44). This leads me to 3 possible conclusions: 1: You do not feel that the recoil-baring face of the lug needs to be machined flat, and run-out isn't measured, or the tolerances I saw are acceptable when measured. 2: You have determined that it is superior for only 1 half of the recoil lug's face to interact with the rail, and this is a design feature. 3: You made a bad batch of mounts and are trying to shift focus from this snafu. I'm going with 3, because... -When I called, and e-mailed photo's, I was told that it was not right. It was never called a design feature. I was never told "The tolerance for this part is greater than the variance, and un-even contact is expected/acceptable". -I was sent a mount that would not physically fit my optic. The lever adjustment nut (no-matter how loose or tight I set the mount by itself on my rail) kept hitting the battery compartment on my M4S. -I was sent a mount that mic'ed identically to the first––which I mailed to you with dimensions listed. Why replace my mount with one that is identical to the first without explaining why, and expecting me to be cool with it? Why send me a mount that will not even fit an M4S for some reason I didn't bother to determine other than outlined? Most companies that have attempted to build a reputation on perfection will at least verify that the replacement part is not identical in the same way that the original was returned for. You dropped the ball, and you happened to drop the ball on me, and I happened to take pictures of it, explain what happened as best I can, and now you're in "blame the customer" mode. I guess here's your choice. Stick to your guns that 0.002" variance is acceptable on this part and I'm more precise in my expectations than you are in your offerings, or admit that yes, even LaRue Tactical can drop the ball sometimes, and let us know what exactly went wrong with what seems like a batch of those mounts (I don't know how many it was, maybe I got the only two in the world?) You can tell me "It's all in my head" all you want, Mark (I'm Jon, btw, or as your sales staff calls me, "Bud"), but neither the camera nor micrometer add two thousandths. Focus hard on the 1/2" fender crack ... or was it a .476" long crack ? Whatever ... and other mountains out of mole hills.
ETA - Did they let you replace the cracked fender yourself - the one with the 1/2'" crack ... ? So, like me, on their dime, they Fedexed you a new part and you took the wrenches to it and everything fit right up ? On an $80,000 car, I can't imagine it going down like that.
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Focus hard on the 1/2" fender crack ... or was it a .476" long crack ? Whatever ... and other mountains out of mole hills.
ETA - Did they let you replace the cracked fender yourself - the one with the 1/2'" crack ... ? So, like me, on their dime, they Fedexed you a new part and you took the wrenches to it and everything fit right up ? On an $80,000 car, I can't imagine it going down like that. Solid response addressing the issue at hand. The Dead Center of Precision. Hello, and welcome to the Dead Center of Precision. I'm Mark LaRue and all of us here at LT want your business. Be advised, you don't have to "log-on" to look around our website, so just have at it. E-mail us with any questions you may have and we'll answer them as quick as we can. We make all this stuff right here in our own production CNC machine shop. I founded this shop in 1980 ... we know machining and folks tell us it shows. Our strong point is our guarantee - "If you ain't happy, then we ain't happy". This "Lifetime" guarantee means as long as I'm alive you can return any defective part for a full refund or exchange. :-) Click here for full policy. That's about it, enjoy. -Mark LaRue http://www.laruetactical.com/ Just sayin' and makin' a note of the lack of authenticity of your information ... You certainly do seem to mean what you say about not being happy if the customer isn't happy, though! You go into full "dodge, spin, blame someone else (the customer)" mode. |
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Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Focus hard on the 1/2" fender crack ... or was it a .476" long crack ? Whatever ... and other mountains out of mole hills.
ETA - Did they let you replace the cracked fender yourself - the one with the 1/2'" crack ... ? So, like me, on their dime, they Fedexed you a new part and you took the wrenches to it and everything fit right up ? On an $80,000 car, I can't imagine it going down like that. Solid response addressing the issue at hand. The Dead Center of Precision. Hello, and welcome to the Dead Center of Precision. I'm Mark LaRue and all of us here at LT want your business. Be advised, you don't have to "log-on" to look around our website, so just have at it. E-mail us with any questions you may have and we'll answer them as quick as we can. We make all this stuff right here in our own production CNC machine shop. I founded this shop in 1980 ... we know machining and folks tell us it shows. Our strong point is our guarantee - "If you ain't happy, then we ain't happy". This "Lifetime" guarantee means as long as I'm alive you can return any defective part for a full refund or exchange. :-) Click here for full policy. That's about it, enjoy. -Mark LaRue http://www.laruetactical.com/ Just sayin' and makin' a note of the lack of authenticity of your information ... You certainly do seem to mean what you say about not being happy if the customer isn't happy, though! You go into full "dodge, spin, blame someone else (the customer)" mode. You openly admitted we bent over backwards for you ... Spending next day air money in the process ... You have a cobb stuck hard up your ass over something that has nothing to do with my firm or it's fine employees. I feel for any bastard you elect to do business with and your father failed you. Have a nice life. M. LaRue |
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Focus hard on the 1/2" fender crack ... or was it a .476" long crack ? Whatever ... and other mountains out of mole hills.
ETA - Did they let you replace the cracked fender yourself - the one with the 1/2'" crack ... ? So, like me, on their dime, they Fedexed you a new part and you took the wrenches to it and everything fit right up ? On an $80,000 car, I can't imagine it going down like that. Solid response addressing the issue at hand. The Dead Center of Precision. Hello, and welcome to the Dead Center of Precision. I'm Mark LaRue and all of us here at LT want your business. Be advised, you don't have to "log-on" to look around our website, so just have at it. E-mail us with any questions you may have and we'll answer them as quick as we can. We make all this stuff right here in our own production CNC machine shop. I founded this shop in 1980 ... we know machining and folks tell us it shows. Our strong point is our guarantee - "If you ain't happy, then we ain't happy". This "Lifetime" guarantee means as long as I'm alive you can return any defective part for a full refund or exchange. :-) Click here for full policy. That's about it, enjoy. -Mark LaRue http://www.laruetactical.com/ Just sayin' and makin' a note of the lack of authenticity of your information ... You certainly do seem to mean what you say about not being happy if the customer isn't happy, though! You go into full "dodge, spin, blame someone else (the customer)" mode. You openly admitted we bent over backwards for you ... Spending next day air money in the process ... You have a cobb stuck hard up your ass over something that has nothing to do with my firm or it's fine employees. I feel for any bastard you elect to do business with and your father failed you. Have a nice life. M. LaRue Indeed, you did bend over backward, unfortunately you sent me a mount that had the same issue, and further, would not even fit an m4s even though it was the correct model to do so. I paid return shipping myself, fwiw, but I'm not discussing a done deal so much as I am your qc/qa. My complaint was the product, not your cs, which was excellent as you note, excepting your lack of maturity in this thread. Go on, Mark, tell me how you really feel, but you're not going to change the facts of the matter with your insults. I got two out of spec mounts from you, and elected to purchase a different product. When op asked about this type of mount, I related my experience, upon which you engaged me in argument, ultimately insulting me, and my upbringing, etc. |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Focus hard on the 1/2" fender crack ... or was it a .476" long crack ? Whatever ... and other mountains out of mole hills.
ETA - Did they let you replace the cracked fender yourself - the one with the 1/2'" crack ... ? So, like me, on their dime, they Fedexed you a new part and you took the wrenches to it and everything fit right up ? On an $80,000 car, I can't imagine it going down like that. Solid response addressing the issue at hand. The Dead Center of Precision. Hello, and welcome to the Dead Center of Precision. I'm Mark LaRue and all of us here at LT want your business. Be advised, you don't have to "log-on" to look around our website, so just have at it. E-mail us with any questions you may have and we'll answer them as quick as we can. We make all this stuff right here in our own production CNC machine shop. I founded this shop in 1980 ... we know machining and folks tell us it shows. Our strong point is our guarantee - "If you ain't happy, then we ain't happy". This "Lifetime" guarantee means as long as I'm alive you can return any defective part for a full refund or exchange. :-) Click here for full policy. That's about it, enjoy. -Mark LaRue http://www.laruetactical.com/ Just sayin' and makin' a note of the lack of authenticity of your information ... You certainly do seem to mean what you say about not being happy if the customer isn't happy, though! You go into full "dodge, spin, blame someone else (the customer)" mode. You have a cobb stuck hard up your ass over something that has nothing to do with my firm or it's fine employees. I feel for any bastard you elect to do business with and your father failed you. Have a nice life. Hey guys, please take this to IM or e-mail. You're stomping on my thread. |
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Originally Posted By Bachelor_of_Science:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
t-weight: bold;']You openly admitted we bent over backwards for you ... Spending next day air money in the process ...
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Focus hard on the 1/2" fender crack ... or was it a .476" long crack ? Whatever ... and other mountains out of mole hills.
ETA - Did they let you replace the cracked fender yourself - the one with the 1/2'" crack ... ? So, like me, on their dime, they Fedexed you a new part and you took the wrenches to it and everything fit right up ? On an $80,000 car, I can't imagine it going down like that. Solid response addressing the issue at hand. The Dead Center of Precision. Hello, and welcome to the Dead Center of Precision. I'm Mark LaRue and all of us here at LT want your business. Be advised, you don't have to "log-on" to look around our website, so just have at it. E-mail us with any questions you may have and we'll answer them as quick as we can. We make all this stuff right here in our own production CNC machine shop. I founded this shop in 1980 ... we know machining and folks tell us it shows. Our strong point is our guarantee - "If you ain't happy, then we ain't happy". This "Lifetime" guarantee means as long as I'm alive you can return any defective part for a full refund or exchange. :-) Click here for full policy. That's about it, enjoy. -Mark LaRue http://www.laruetactical.com/ Just sayin' and makin' a note of the lack of authenticity of your information ... You certainly do seem to mean what you say about not being happy if the customer isn't happy, though! You go into full "dodge, spin, blame someone else (the customer)" mode. You have a cobb stuck hard up your ass over something that has nothing to do with my firm or it's fine employees. I feel for any bastard you elect to do business with and your father failed you. Have a nice life. Hey guys, please take this to IM or e-mail. You're stomping on my thread. B of S, Email me what mount you want .... it's yours for free, freight and all. Mark (at) LaRue tactical (dot) com |
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For the rest of you out there in La La Land ....
Here's what happened ... first off, there was nothing wrong with 410-gauge's mount in the first place (see his pics for confirmation) ... really, you needed a new mount nextday'd in ?
As for that spot he has circled - that's where a carbide end mill ends it's cutter-comped toolpath and pulls away from the part. Big whoop.
Second is that us, ever trying to be the nice guys, apparently rushed him at our own Fedex NextDay expense the HK version of our CompM4 mount - it's shorter than the version that goes with the CompM4S - shorter by quite a bit- noticeably shorter. We got humans on our payroll - grabbed up the wrong bag - somebody didn't look past the number 659 - whatever. But 410-Gauge decided that we're too stupid to know when we're making mounts a half inch shorter, so he proclaimed his nextday'd-in and noticeably shorter mount to be from a bad batch of LaRue mounts and started his thread titled "Junk LaRue Mount for Sale" Anyhow, there's a couple of mounts that fit the CompM4S ... here's a link ... " LaRue Comp M4S " Hopefully this will prevent any like-minded individuals from getting mad at us over absolutely nothing in the future. And OP - I meant what I said, you got any Aimpoint mount you want for free - but please, use common sense when attempting to assemble and call me before starting a "Junk LaRue Mount " thread. Mark LaRue www.LaRue.com |
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
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Despite you stooping to the level of the guy that obviously pissed in your cheerios I thought that offering a free mount to the OP was a class act and typical of what I expect from your company. Then I read this latest post.
I'll keep buying your mounts because I think that they are the best and because I like them and the service that I have received every time I have placed an order. With that said, was that last post really necessary? You're the professional and should be the bigger man. Your problem customer may well have deserved your scorn in the privacy of your office but your public post almost tasted deriding and condescending to the original poster as well as us passersby. Sounds like I may not be smart enough to chose the correct mount or realize that I have received the incorrect mount when it is accidentally shipped to me? Is that it? By the way, the pics from your manufacturing facility were pretty cool. I have been in similar facilities and they always impress me. Neat stuff. I wish I knew more about it. RC |
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Originally Posted By pilatuspilot:
Despite you stooping to the level of the guy that obviously pissed in your cheerios I thought that offering a free mount to the OP was a class act and typical of what I expect from your company. Then I read this latest post. I'll keep buying your mounts because I think that they are the best and because I like them and the service that I have received every time I have placed an order. With that said, was that last post really necessary? You're the professional and should be the bigger man. Your problem customer may well have deserved your scorn in the privacy of your office but your public post almost tasted deriding and condescending to the original poster as well as us passersby. Sounds like I may not be smart enough to chose the correct mount or realize that I have received the incorrect mount when it is accidentally shipped to me? Is that it? RC Given the circumstances surrounding that incident ... I should never have to respond to any thread called "LaRue Junk Mount for Sale" ... but alas I do, and perhaps it irks me to have to. Truth be told, I got better things to do with my time instead of dealing with someone who intends to post his cute little LaRue-hate story every chance he gets. At some point I have to dig to the bottom of it, debunk it, post irrefutable facts, and get on with my day ... Or the sh*t gets written on all the obelisks. If I fail at going for a Pulitzer prize in doing so, then please accept my apologies. ML |
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
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My point is that your reputation for making the best mounts and offering some of the best customer service in the business should stand on its own. Not too many people would refute it. Those that do simply look foolish. This is an excellent example.
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I'm tired of arguing with Mark LaRue in your thread, OP, and apologize for it. I no-longer buy LaRue optics mounts, as the precision is not to my liking as outlined and as stated by Mark, but I still enjoy their other products. If Mark has anything more to say, he can take it to PM, e-mail, call me, send a smoke signal.
The main advantage that a Bobro offers over LaRue is: Constant tension regardless of rail (obviously within reason). This means that you can swap it between rifles with slightly varying rails (most very a few thousandths) and you will only need to remember the dope for the optic––not have to adjust the mount. RTZ is better. Noone has ever measured a shift that I am aware. Not 1 MOA, not .01 MOA. As to Mark LaRue's other assertions, regarding the carbide die, thanks for the explanation, Mark. (Regarding it being explained that it was an H&K mount, I refuse to be drawn into further arguing in this thread). Is this unique to your M4 mount? It is on NONE of my other LaRue mounts (FUG, 2 scout mounts, a few others) I have had good luck with your other mounts, and I do continue to use them, your personality not withstanding, and you continue to take my money, my personality not withstanding, because it seems to spend just the same. |
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Originally Posted By pilatuspilot:
My point is that your reputation for making the best mounts and offering some of the best customer service in the business should stand on its own. Not too many people would refute it. Those that do simply look foolish. This is an excellent example. RC " Blame it on Jack Welch "
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
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All I can say is that is very generous of you, Mr. LaRue! Of course, I would be a fool not to accept your offer! I will contact you very shortly.
BTW, I'm not in the habit of writing negative "press" unless a dealer/manufacturer has wronged me so profoundly, it left me no choice. I have purchased from your company many times and have always been very satisfied with the product. Thank you sir! Bud P.S. An e-mail has been sent to you. |
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ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
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Originally Posted By Bachelor_of_Science:
All I can say is that is very generous of you, Mr. LaRue! Of course, I would be a fool not to accept your offer! I will contact you very shortly. BTW, I'm not in the habit of writing negative "press" unless a dealer/manufacturer has wronged me so profoundly, it left me no choice. I have purchased from your company many times and have always been very satisfied with the product. Thank you sir! Bud P.S. An e-mail has been sent to you. Got it and ironically, this Bud's for you. (I'm Jon, btw, or as your sales staff calls me, "Bud"),
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
Makers of all things LaRue - the Stealth Uppers, the OBR in 5.56 and 7.62, the PredatAR in both 5.56 and 7.62, the best QD mounts known to mankind ... and so on. |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By Bachelor_of_Science:
All I can say is that is very generous of you, Mr. LaRue! Of course, I would be a fool not to accept your offer! I will contact you very shortly. BTW, I'm not in the habit of writing negative "press" unless a dealer/manufacturer has wronged me so profoundly, it left me no choice. I have purchased from your company many times and have always been very satisfied with the product. Thank you sir! Bud P.S. An e-mail has been sent to you. Got it and ironically, this Bud's for you. (I'm Jon, btw, or as your sales staff calls me, "Bud"), Haha, talk about irony. OP: You have your answer. A free mount is the "best bang for the buck". It beats the $100 I was selling my spare Bobro for, and I am glad that the drama in your thread resulted in you getting to T&E some gear free of charge! |
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Thank you, 12_Gauge. This is really an unexpected surprise. First time in my 52 years I've ever received something like this!
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ΜOΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
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Originally Posted By Bachelor_of_Science:
Thank you, 12_Gauge. This is really an unexpected surprise. First time in my 52 years I've ever received something like this! You're welcome! |
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Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By Bachelor_of_Science:
Thank you, 12_Gauge. This is really an unexpected surprise. First time in my 52 years I've ever received something like this! You're welcome! Yeah, it's all you ... hell, I'll name my first grandchild Jon.
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
Makers of all things LaRue - the Stealth Uppers, the OBR in 5.56 and 7.62, the PredatAR in both 5.56 and 7.62, the best QD mounts known to mankind ... and so on. |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By Bachelor_of_Science:
Thank you, 12_Gauge. This is really an unexpected surprise. First time in my 52 years I've ever received something like this! You're welcome! Yeah, it's all you ... hell, I'll name my first grandchild Jon. ![]() Cool story, now go mail the man his free mount! |
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Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By Bachelor_of_Science:
Thank you, 12_Gauge. This is really an unexpected surprise. First time in my 52 years I've ever received something like this! You're welcome! Yeah, it's all you ... hell, I'll name my first grandchild Jon. ![]() Cool story, now go mail the man his free mount! " The first thing I'm gonna do is punch your momma in the mouth " |
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
Makers of all things LaRue - the Stealth Uppers, the OBR in 5.56 and 7.62, the PredatAR in both 5.56 and 7.62, the best QD mounts known to mankind ... and so on. |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By Bachelor_of_Science:
Thank you, 12_Gauge. This is really an unexpected surprise. First time in my 52 years I've ever received something like this! You're welcome! Yeah, it's all you ... hell, I'll name my first grandchild Jon. ![]() Cool story, now go mail the man his free mount! " The first thing I'm gonna do is punch your momma in the mouth " No need for all of that, this CAN be a FUN experience! |
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Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By LaRue_Tactical:
Originally Posted By 12_gauge:
Originally Posted By Bachelor_of_Science:
Thank you, 12_Gauge. This is really an unexpected surprise. First time in my 52 years I've ever received something like this! You're welcome! Yeah, it's all you ... hell, I'll name my first grandchild Jon. ![]() Cool story, now go mail the man his free mount! " The first thing I'm gonna do is punch your momma in the mouth "
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There is one certain means by which I can be sure to never see my country's ruin; I will die in the last ditch!
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" WS6 = 12_gauge "
Yeah, yeah, I'm just a raging man-child - but my beer math calculator still has a little juice in it. But hey, good to see we got a few guys that run and like our stuff over there ... Yesterday, 23:41
WS6 Offline Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,896 iTrader: (0) Originally Posted by dirt_diver Was it you he insulted? I only ask because there's a whole lot of hearsay out there that I have seen and heard, but little in the way of first hand accounts. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/57...k_.html&page=1
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God Bless Our Troops ... Especially Our Snipers.
Makers of all things LaRue - the Stealth Uppers, the OBR in 5.56 and 7.62, the PredatAR in both 5.56 and 7.62, the best QD mounts known to mankind ... and so on. |
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Originally Posted By 556Cliff: Originally Posted By Marksman14: When Bobro makes a scope mount for traditional optics that actually allows you to get a torque wrench on it, maybe I will give them a shot. I tried one, and sold it. The bolts/screws that they use suck. Until then I'll be putting all of my high end optics in Larue mounts- super easy to level, and I can get a common torque wrench on it. They do everything I need them to and I have taken my optics off plenty. BTW, properly installed Larue mounts RTZ at about .1moa, not 1moa. I have not detected a shift when I have removed and reinstalled mine. For optics that dont have traditional ring style mounts, Bobro I'm sure is a good option as well. I personally prefer the simplicity of the Larue design. Its a solid peice with very few moving parts. The bobro I'm sure works fine, but their mounts are much more complicated with quite a few more parts. They do. Link. |
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