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Posted: 1/15/2006 4:34:06 PM EDT
I saw today at a gunshop the TDI arms UTA17. I asked if it was a SBR becasue that is what it looks like to me but he said no its perfectly legal and has sold some already.

Whos right here, is this a SBR or not?

Link Posted: 1/15/2006 4:40:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/15/2006 4:41:34 PM EDT by DK-Prof]
Are you talking about that fantastically hilarious attachment for the Glock?


Seems like you create an AOW when you put a stock (or something that allowed you to shoulder it) on a handgun, even if it is a ridiculously complicated "stock"

I think that's a less expensive tax stamp, but I don't know much about pistol stocks - maybe it would be an SBR.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 4:41:48 PM EDT
how stupid
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 4:44:25 PM EDT
WTF!!!

that has to be the most retarded thing i have ever seen.

when the glock KBs it's gonna damage that perfectly good AR.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 4:44:55 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/15/2006 4:46:07 PM EDT by NAM]
You have a firearm with a stock, and a rifled barrel of less than 16".

SBR. 100% NFA.

Just like the shotgun mounts for AR's. The shotgun must have at least the 18 inch minimum barrel length.

If he's selling the kit, he's probably ok. It's assembling it into the configuration in the pic that's illegal. Constructive intent on it's own? possibly.


(Note: i'm no lawyer. all opinions are jsut that...opinions...in no way legally binding)
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 4:58:57 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/15/2006 5:05:40 PM EDT by Homeinvader]
I second that. The Glock is 100% positively an SBR, an NFA firearm requiring a $200 tax, though the AR iitself is still Title I. The Glock derives its NFA satus by "feeding" off the AR stock. The Glock becomes a rifle with a barrel length below 16". As was said above, selling or buying the mounting kit is fine and is not regulated at all, it's what you do with that kit that makes or breaks the law. if you own a Glock, an AR and this mounting kit you are in possession of an NFA firearm even if they are not assembled together, "consturctive possession."

Are you sure he is selling the assembled weapon itself as a Title I firearm? If he is or even if he is telling you the build is non-NFA, then he's criminally negligent.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 5:05:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/15/2006 5:06:49 PM EDT by Xenogy]
Is that also a selector switch on the Glock? That is also a 14.5" barrel with an A2 FH attached. I don't think it meets the minimum 16" for a barrel.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 5:07:47 PM EDT
I think it is a DD (dumb device).

Link Posted: 1/15/2006 5:15:17 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 1/15/2006 5:15:53 PM EDT by m-dc]
SBR or not..........................


THATS GAY


no offense to homosexuals intended.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 5:15:24 PM EDT
I agree 100%... this is an SBR as shown.

I wonder if this would still be an SBR if the Glock mount was a holster with a covered trigger guard (e.g. as some kind of "grab n go" backup). Probably still a dumb idea, but if the pistol could not be fired while associated with the stock, would it really be an SBR ? Sorta like the "if a tree falls and nobody hears it" question.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 5:33:26 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wombat:
I think it is a DD (dumb device).

i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/wombatslayer/concept.jpg



I have one of these except it also has a bayonet
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 5:48:28 PM EDT
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 5:53:13 PM EDT
Ask what the barrel legnth is.If its 14.5 yes its SBR with a birdcage,if its a 14.7 then its a legal 16" with birdcage permanently attached.
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 5:54:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By pun:
Ask what the barrel legnth is.If its 14.5 yes its SBR with a birdcage,if its a 14.7 then its a legal 16" with birdcage permanently attached.



uhh take a look at the attached pistol
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 6:03:35 PM EDT

Originally Posted by NAM:
Just like the shotgun mounts for AR's. The shotgun must have at least the 18 inch minimum barrel length.

...and if it's separable from the "host" rifle, it must also be 26 inches long overall.


Originally Posted by m-dc:
SBR or not..........................


THATS GAY


no offense to homosexuals intended.

I'd disagree. I think it's QUEER as all get out. Queer being used in the more traditional "what the hell is that!" sense, of course.

Where's the blinged-up AirSoft AR picture when you need it? Oh, and the Special Olympics pictures too (with absolutely NO offense meant to Special Olympians-this one should be so the "dealer" knows that these kids are smart enough to know his product is NFA!)

(And no, I'm not sorry for piling it on-that "gun" is just ludicrous!)
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 6:08:59 PM EDT

Maybe the ATF has an exception for comedy.

Link Posted: 1/15/2006 6:21:52 PM EDT

Originally Posted By m-dc:
SBR or not..........................


THATS GAY


no offense to homosexuals intended.



fixed it for you...
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 6:22:21 PM EDT
I know I'm new here, but WTF??
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 6:40:34 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Wombat:
I think it is a DD (dumb device).href=i6.photobucket.com/albums/y220/wombatslayer/concept.jpg



Link Posted: 1/15/2006 8:06:55 PM EDT

Originally Posted By jb3015:
I know I'm new here, but WTF??


Your gunna fit right in around here, excellent use of "WTF" next time just add the
Link Posted: 1/15/2006 8:09:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Couch-Commando:

Originally Posted By m-dc:
SBR or not..........................


THATS GAY


no offense to homosexuals intended.



fixed it for you...


Not trying to hijack but what are you trying to put across/ I for one wish there were more %100 gay men.

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That way there would be more single woman.
Link Posted: 1/16/2006 3:38:18 AM EDT
The picture i just got of the manufacturer TDI's web site. Its not from the dealer's shop. I thought i was right when i told the guy its a SBR. I too agree its the most uglyest thing ive ever seen.
Link Posted: 1/16/2006 6:30:22 AM EDT
As a "set-up" it serves no practical purpose.


However, that appears to be a select-fire converted Glock...which ain't too bad on it's own (for cool factor)


Link Posted: 1/16/2006 6:51:05 AM EDT
What is the benefit of this thing over having your sidearm...well, at your SIDE? How can you even be remotely accurate w/ a rig like this? Looks like something you'd see in a video game.
Link Posted: 1/16/2006 7:02:54 AM EDT
Too bad the ATF doesn't have a category for "just plain goofy." Put a $1000 stamp on it and some idiot will buy it!
Link Posted: 1/16/2006 7:59:25 AM EDT
I don't know about you guys; but many is the time I have said to myself "Gosh this AR15 is neat. If only I had a smaller, less powerful gun that attached to it - maybe even one that shot to a different point of aim and had a very limited range. It would be really cool if it was some gun that could double as a forward grip and have no safety - that way I would have to be extra vigilant on muzzle discipline and grip in stressful times!"
Link Posted: 1/16/2006 1:55:14 PM EDT
We used these all the time in the Nam, damn japs would come crawlin up on us in the grass and the admiral would yell "let em have it boys", then we blast those krouts to hell with our M4A3/ Glock G18 combos. Most secret weapon that John Moses Browning ever developed. Silent to cause we used them piston cartridges for em. Yup them Iraquis never even knew where the lead that killed was comin from...... Course then there was the time this Tiger..................
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