Quoted: thanks thats what I needed to know. My FFL needs to transfer it to me as a pistol right? and once a pistol always a pistol right? I couldn't use a reciever that I was sold to me as a rifle.
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In regards to the red....
The truth, the jury is out. "Experts" say, all you need is a stripped receiver, even if it was 'pappered' as a rifle...... as they quote 'letters' stating as long as the stripped receiver never had a butt stock attatched.....
Pistol to rifle, okay.... but rifle to pistol a no no.
Other people have said that it has to be logged at the manufactuer as a pistol, not just a stripped receiver. I have read just about every thread that has been put about pistols on AR15.com (so as long as I found it
). I have talked to manufactuers and they said as long as the receiver is stripped, never has been built into a rifle, it can be made into a pistol. BUT, it falls down to the individual who purchases the reciever to aid in prooving it was stripped...it's authenticity. That is how the BATF covers its tail.... by saying that it has to be proved it was stripped. That is my understanding of all the 'stuff on this topic' I have read about for the last XX years. I am not an expert, no pretend to be.
This is what I did:
After researching and reading and talking to people who I trust, I obtained an AR stripped lower for a build (getting ready for Sept 13
). I started by emailed a few dealers inquiring on a stripped lower for pistol build. Most replied that the stripped receivers they "have" are for rifles and were logged as rifles..... I didn't push the issue about how any new stripped lower could be used, regardless of 'lable'.
I found, after contacting Eagle Firearms, that they conducted transfers for AR pistol lowers. This was when they "Stag" line just came out, and was on special. I informed them of my intentions and they said no problem, as they had done some in the past. I asked, on the invoice, if it would be possible to clearly state on there that it was "Stripped lower- pistol" or to that affect. Before confirming the order, I contacted my transfer FFL and informed them of the pending deal, just in case they might have issues (ye never know). No problems on their end.
When the lower arrived at my dealer, the invoice listed it as a pistol. Now, when filling out the 4473, instead of 'long gun', the pistol is checked and filled out accordingly.... if I recall, in the description, they put "stripped receiver" somewhere. Get your phone call, pay your transfer fee and out the door.
Now, for states that have "handgun" registration, the state form is filled out also. If you state does not have a seperate handgun registration, quit reading here
. My state does, so the state form was filled out.
I took an extra step. Since I know the dealer well, I asked, if I could have a copy of my state pistol registration form, as proof that it was a pistol. Now, you could ask for a copy of your 4473, but it all depends on your FFL.....
The above account is what I have seen posted by many other people on AR15.com who have build AR pistols. Be it a manual cycled action or for a 22LR....... What they did to "paper" the lower is identical.
A side note: This fact may or may not be known by most. At the time, this is what it was done with the 4473.... they remain at the FFL dealer. The 'phone call check' recored expires in XX days and I don't recall what info is exchanged off the top of my head. The 4473 can end up at the ATF, but under a few circumstances. One, the dealer goes out of business, all 4473 are sent to the BATF. If a dealer stays in business for more then 25 years, the 4473's he filled out his first year of business can be disposed of. Thats' right, after 25 years, they can get rid of the first years years worth of 4473's, so I understood from my former FFL buddy. BUT, the log book w/ your driver's lincese number and SN is till sent when they go out of business. Two, the ATF comes and gets them for some special reason...... So, if you buy something in 2004 and is papered as a pistol, in 2029 the 4473's "expire". But as stated, you will still be in the log book..... guess that is why they say 25 years, as most FFL's prob don't last that long.....
That is why I asked personally would like a copy of 1) state pistol form and/or 2) copy of the 4473 showing it was papered as a pistol.
The long thread reply..... and if anyone has an issue of my "opinion", feel free to add your comments.....