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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:28:55 PM EDT
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In relationship to the XM8 I would assume? Kinda like the XM16 when it was being evaluated for service? The X means it is being evaluated (expiramental I think) The M is just common to military weapons. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:29:20 PM EDT
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It's that satellite radio thing.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:29:38 PM EDT
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x is for experimental M is for model, can't remember for sure
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:31:22 PM EDT
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LOL, funny 
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:35:39 PM EDT
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AR does not stand for "Assault Rifle" I believe it originally stoood for "Armalite Rifle"
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:38:34 PM EDT
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I didn't even catch that in the title. I am almost posative you are correct on that also. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:43:39 PM EDT
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Wow..I don't know jackhinking.gif
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:46:12 PM EDT
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Then why in the HELL aren't Californians aloud to own a rollmark AR. At first I thought it made stupid sense... A=assault, now I can't make any sense of it.
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:48:27 PM EDT
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Cause California is gay... a big % of it is at least 
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:50:36 PM EDT
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X Men.
Looks like something from an X Men movie anyway. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 1:54:49 PM EDT
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No, just plain ArmaLite. The AR-17 was a shotgun. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 2:57:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2004 3:00:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2004 3:05:14 PM EDT
[#14]
Yep. AR means ArmaLite! XM stands for Experimental Model |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 3:14:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/28/2004 3:44:22 PM EDT
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My bushmaster is marked Mod XM-15 E2S so maybe their is another explanation of the XM not that I'm claiming to be so smart..............cause I don't know what it means
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Posted: 9/28/2004 3:46:37 PM EDT
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XM = Xtra Money
It's just a more expensive model of what the AR is. They probably gold-plate the barrel or something. 
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:48:34 PM EDT
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Xtreme
Money What the guys in the procurement system are going to get when HK gets the contract and hires them all as "consultants". |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 4:50:48 PM EDT
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Nope, it did/does mean Armalite Rifle, at first anyway. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:13:55 PM EDT
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'Fraid not. From Armalite's website:
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Posted: 9/28/2004 5:21:40 PM EDT
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Bushmaster is free to name stuff as they please - it has nothing to do with the government system. |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 7:36:40 PM EDT
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CAR "Colt Automatic Rifle"?
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Posted: 9/28/2004 8:22:46 PM EDT
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AR -> Armalite NOT 'Assault Rifle', as only one of the preceeding AR-series weapons was an 'Assault Rifle' (the AR-10). And as for the rest: X -> Experimental M -> Model M16 -> Rifle, Model 16 XM8 -> Experimental Carbine, Model 8 |
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Posted: 9/28/2004 11:18:45 PM EDT
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+1, and CAR is "Colt's Assault Rifle" The AR-10, being .308, isn't really an assault rifle by the commonly accepted definition. The AR18 is tho. |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 1:57:41 PM EDT
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I.. well it.. ah... eh??? Never mind. I just saw the other thread you started. Now I'll add this:  
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Posted: 9/29/2004 2:07:08 PM EDT
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I think the "XM-15" in bushmaster rifles is to advoid having AR-15 on the rifle (ban issue)
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Posted: 9/29/2004 2:09:35 PM EDT
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Yup! |
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Posted: 9/29/2004 2:44:10 PM EDT
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I suspect it's actually a Colt issue. Doesn't colt hold the trademark on AR-15. The others have to use a different designation. |
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Posted: 10/1/2004 5:23:13 PM EDT
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I thought XM stood for X-tra Macho....
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Posted: 10/1/2004 7:06:50 PM EDT
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Colt just needs to accept the fact that they did NOT invent the AR-15/M16. They are just a govt contractor.
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Posted: 10/1/2004 11:21:33 PM EDT
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Yep, Colt didn't invent it, they just perfected it.
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Posted: 10/2/2004 6:45:02 AM EDT
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so how about XM193? Am I shooting "experimental" ammo?
seriously, whats the difference between XM193 and M193? Thanks |
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Posted: 10/2/2004 11:25:57 PM EDT
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You want to be enlighted? Read the books. Compare the M16A1 to Stoner's original design. All that work was Colt's.
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Posted: 10/3/2004 12:55:22 AM EDT
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Colt may not have invented the AR-15 but it owns the name, and that's all it takes in the USA. While the rifle is generically referred to as the "ar-15", the actual name "AR-15" is owned by Colt, bought and paid for from the original Armalite. Anyone marking their "ar-15-type" rifle "AR-15" is going to be in court pretty quick. About as fast as if you decided to start a bus service and call it "Greyhound", or build a clone of a Corvette and called it the "Corvette", or start a bank and call it "Bank of America". Trademark protection is covered by law. It doesn't matter what the product is. For this reason, anyone else making an "ar" calls it something else. XM-15 for Bushmaster, M15 for Armalite, PCR-15 for Oly, etc. Ross |
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Posted: 10/3/2004 1:06:06 AM EDT
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Colt actually did most of the imporvments to the AR-15 system in house, on their own dime. They only had the original AR-15 when they bought it from the original Armalite. Things like the various bigger and smaller versions were developed by Colt. Like any company trying to get the government's money, they do things that the customer wants, but even then it's usually their engineers that come up with the item. Some things the government actually just comes out and says it needs, and Colt just built it and put it on. Some things the government says it wants to have done, and Colt had to invent a way to do it. It's no different than anything else really. Colt had the A2 type handguards in the 70's and offered them to the government, because they were stronger, and you only needed one (i.e. they weren't left and right, they were identical top and bottom), and had developed the A2 sights (which are actually a variation on the original AR-10 sights) about then as well. The Navy department, on behalf of the Marine Corps, did the engineering of the A2 profile barrel. There were a host of other improvements that Colt offered that the government just gave a nod to, and a bunch that the government itself invented and told Colt to put on there. Colt developed the M4 from it's own carbine line that it had based on the XM-177 work from the 60's, which again was mostly Colt engineering. Ross |
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Posted: 10/3/2004 1:09:34 AM EDT
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It's a trade name basically. Federal uses "XM-193" to identify the ammo they sell on the civillian market. It meets M193 specs I beleive. The answer is "NO" you are not shooting experimental ammo. A company can call anything it makes, any name it chooses (unless someone owns that name already  ). It's just a name in this case.It has nothing to do with the way the government uses "XM". Ross |
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