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Posted: 1/12/2006 5:04:25 AM EDT
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they don't "basically fall apart"
 The nut that secures the sight to the receiver can come loose and fall off if you don't use the loctite they provide with every sight, exactly the same way that every component that is on your AR with a screw or a nut can. |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 5:12:40 AM EDT
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I have both the ARMS 40a2 and a Troy dual aperture BUIS.
I have never had any problems with my ARMS 40 and it's on my older carbine with over 9500 rounds through it. I also haven't babied my ARMS 40 and it's been banged around but it's still going strong. I've been on this board since the mid/late 90's and I've never seen a broken ARMS 40, I've heard of a couple of second hand stories and I've also heard people mention that they fell off while shooting. I know there a quite a few ARMS 40's out there and I can't even remember any negative posts about them breaking or falling apart. IMHO, probably 98% of the ARMS 40 issues was probably operator issues like improper installation and not using Loc-Tite.  I've not used my Troy BUIS as long but it appears to be even more bullet proof than my ARMS 40. I like the same plane dual aperture and the way it deploys and better then the ARMS 40. My Troy BUIS does not appear to have any leaning issues when mounted to my flat top. Between the two I like the Troy design better. If you get a Troy BUIS make sure to have the dealer check that it doesn't have the leaning issue and that's it's also not one that's been "fixed" with a shim. |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 6:38:31 AM EDT
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It was one of the dealers here that advised me against the ARMS #40. He said that they had to quit stocking them because the ARMS #40 didnt sell, because of all the problems.
ETA: I actually wanted an ARMS #40L |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 6:56:45 AM EDT
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Be more specific please. What problems? "Basically falling apart" simply does not happen. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 5 p.m. ET September 30, 2005 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Atlantic Research Marketing Systems, West Bridgewater, Mass., was awarded a not-to-exceed ceiling $7,610,948 firm-fixed-price, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity multiple award contract for delivery of up to 92,877 (EA) backup iron sights II (BIS II) (#40L) and associated data Crane seems to like them |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 7:58:39 AM EDT
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The gentleman advised they didn't carry them anymore, because of all the issues with them. I asked what kind of issues? The response was something along the lines of: they come apart and I should use another brand if I want to avoid problems. I didn't press the guy for details. |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 10:12:06 AM EDT
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I dont know what the hell their talkingabout....I like my #40L a lot....seems the smalle apeture is a hair smaller than my TROY....seem to be able to aim better for precision shots...anyway....It is built pretty strong....I can't image it breaking.....I had to shim all 4 of my TROYS front and back. 2 of which were done By TROY....and they shimmed the front a different height from the rear and a whole lot of headaches with windage and cosmetics there...
FLip it up and people are saying it shouldnt matter how it looks( besides the high price)....everything tilts to the left when lookin through the EOTECH... so....it doesnt matter to some but it bugs the hell out of me. I dont think you can go wrong with ARMS...besides you can always return it if you buy it directly from them...www.armsmounts.com |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 11:08:39 AM EDT
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I don't know what these "problems" are I hear of. I have an ARMS #40A2 and #40L. Both have been great sights.
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Posted: 1/12/2006 11:25:21 AM EDT
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Maybe he just wanted to sell me a Troy.
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Posted: 1/12/2006 11:59:13 AM EDT
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They do cost more. 
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Posted: 1/12/2006 12:06:41 PM EDT
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Amazing, huh? It's $45 more... Nothing wrong with the ARMS 40, certain people here like to beat on ARMS because it's not the "flavor of the month", but the 40 is a well made, well designed sight. I like the 40L in particular because it defaults to the small aperture, I hate the ghost ring and can't hit anything with it. I've seen MANY more problems here with the Troy sights, from just falling apart, to cant, to their "feature" of the backwards aperture. I own an early Troy sight that has no problems whatsoever, even has the correct aperture design. I like it but I'd be cautious about buying a newer Troy. |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 12:09:20 PM EDT
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+1 ARMS no problems ever and not a drop of loctite yet.
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Posted: 1/12/2006 4:33:14 PM EDT
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This is a mistake. ANYTHING with a screw gets loctite.  C4 |
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Posted: 1/12/2006 4:50:56 PM EDT
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A big +1 to what Grant said! Maybe you've been lucky but it always seems like the folks who don't take the time to apply a drop of Loc-Tite are ones that complain about crappy sights that break apart and fall off... 
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Posted: 1/12/2006 6:13:07 PM EDT
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You should name names, this dealer isnt doing anyone any favors by passing out such poor information.
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Posted: 1/13/2006 5:10:49 AM EDT
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I don't want to name the dealer, one of their guys posts here often. I will ask for more information after I recieve my order I placed with him. Maybe they have seen this thread. |
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Posted: 1/13/2006 2:50:00 PM EDT
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I understand you're not wanting to say who it is, but, if the guy said what you are saying he told you, I'd want to know who is passing out such poor info. I mean, really, even if most feel that the Troy is the better of the two sights, to say you will have trouble if you buy the #40, is at the very least, sensationalism. There are probably more ARMS #40's on domestic and foreign military, law enforcement and consumer rifles than Troy could produce in the next 10 years. Its a good sight that has prooven itself over many years. Is either of them 100%, 100% of the time? No, but tell me what is? Even if Troy is about the best flip up you can get at the moment, that doesnt mean we havent seen trouble with them in the last few years we've seen them available.
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Posted: 1/13/2006 7:08:37 PM EDT
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I am going to talk to the guy when my stuff arrives. I will ask for details on the issues his customers have had, and then make sure he knows about this thread.
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Posted: 2/17/2006 1:16:26 PM EDT
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tagged for reference.
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Posted: 2/17/2006 4:38:46 PM EDT
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Hey guy. n00b here with a n00b question... what does it mean when I see people who put "tag" in a reply, or as you did here, "tagged for reference"? I've been on a few internet forums and I've never seen tis before. thanks in advance... |
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Posted: 2/17/2006 5:18:53 PM EDT
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Hi ar556223,
The ARMS 40 and the 40L are good I really like the TROY also. Whatever one you get I’m sure you will like it. I use a 40L and a TROY myself. Mike @ CSGW www.csgunworks.com [email protected] Here’s some testimonials about CS GunWorks for AR15 Board What do YOU have to say about CS GunWorks |
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Posted: 2/18/2006 9:52:26 AM EDT
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Hi Mike, I have already purchased a 40lsp from you a few months back, and like it a lot. I was buying something else from the dealer in question when I asked him about the buis's. I still havn't called them back, I kinda forgot about it. I will follow up this week. |
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Posted: 2/18/2006 2:42:06 PM EDT
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Can you give me a easy to understand difference of the 40, 40A, 40L. 40A2, etc...? Thanks |
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Posted: 2/18/2006 9:30:18 PM EDT
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And particularly the meaning of "SP" in the #40L. I mean, I know that I want the #40L, but should I be looking at the "SP" to go on my PD duty rifle. Please clarify what the heck this means and thanks! |
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Posted: 2/18/2006 9:45:16 PM EDT
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same-plane aperture (sp?) |
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Posted: 2/18/2006 9:52:03 PM EDT
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Paying members have a My Active Topics page with links to every active thread that they post in. |
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Posted: 2/18/2006 10:37:03 PM EDT
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I was wondering the same thing. I understand that the hole in the peep stays in the same plane but is there a real advantage to this. Another question I have is that I am goign to get a rra elite car sometime in the near future and after a while I will probably get a low power scope good for out to about 200 yards or so. I want to get an ARMS 40A or 40L but am not sure which one to get. The main question I have here is this. I plan on getting a flat top with no carry handle and I want to know if the arms 40 will hold up to range use for as my iron sites before i get a scope or are the arms to be used only as a BUIS and not a primary sighting device. It would be nice to get used to the arms for a few months until i have th money for a decent scope to put on with a removable mount for closer shooting. I will probably get the 40L because it sits lower than the 40A but I want to be sure that it will hold up over time. Thanks |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 9:47:58 AM EDT
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It is my firm belief that any of the #40 sights will hold up over time. Including the #40L. #40's have, in fact, been holding up on many guns for longer than some companies have been in business. Not to say there arent other new companies who make good or even better sights (depending on your prefferences), just pointing out a fact. This is also not to say that some people havent had problems with ARMS, but I dont think I remember any of the major manufacturers having a 100% failure free record. Nothing is 100%. But buy ARMS and your are buying one of maybe 4 or 5 of the best sights in the business.
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Posted: 2/19/2006 10:15:36 AM EDT
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new-arguy hit the nail on the head.
it's another Chevy/Ford debate. both are very good BUIS and would serve you well, pick one and be happy in the fact you have a quality BUIS that if mounted properly with loctite will serve you well for may years. No one has the market on "Best" anything |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 5:31:55 PM EDT
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Two more questions.
Will the arms 40 work with the standard rra elite car front site and will it co-witness with a hakko tacpoint or spot |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 5:43:08 PM EDT
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I'm back to my 40L after trying a few other flavors of sights.
use the loctite on anything with a screw. |
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Posted: 2/19/2006 5:44:32 PM EDT
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Unless mistaken, the elite is a mid length, so I would guess that you wont have any problems at all with the front sight. It, and every other BUIS/fixed front sight combo will cowitness with the SPOT using the supplied mount or any other high mount attached to the flat top. Im not sure about the HAKO just because I dont have a lot of experience with them, but I think that it will.
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Posted: 2/19/2006 5:53:30 PM EDT
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I have a #40L and I am very rough on my rifle. I hate to say no problems because of the "Efren Herrera has never missed a field goal from this distance..." effect but it has held up very well. I had a LaRue before but wanted a folding rear. I have no problem with Troy. I'm sure that they are the "top of the line." Just saying that I don't think you should be too concerned about the #40L.
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Posted: 2/19/2006 11:58:08 PM EDT
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