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Posted: 9/24/2004 1:21:43 PM EST
I read a post about someone finding American Eagle .223 loaded with LC brass. I just recieved 1000 rds today and to confirm, yes it IS loaded with nice SHINY LC 2003 brass!!!!!! I wonn't be able to chrono or pull and break down to componets to see if this is any hotter than past AE. Does anyone have any info on this???? Hell even if it isn't hotter I have 1000 rds of LC brass for a fraction of the cost of LC ammo. Nato stamped and all, I might have to band saw this brass to make sure it really is LC.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 2:55:18 PM EST
I shot some of mine tonite and boy, this stuff seems hot!
More potent than the Olympic SS109's, PMP (Gazelle Box), and
IMG (Guatemalian) 5.56 NATO rounds...
Nice ball 'o fire out that 16" barrel with these. I'm going to chrono tomorrow
and post the results, and after my Fed Lake City XM193's arrive (hopefully Monday),
I'll post the chrony results of them as well for comparison out of the same barrel.

ar15_finatik
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 3:32:26 PM EST
Where did you get it?
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 4:23:32 PM EST
I forgot to say these rounds are CRIMPED and sealed at the primer. The bullets themselves also have the same blunt nose as XM193. ar15_finatik: I have chronoed LC01 3240avg LC02 3270av out of a 20" I have never chronoed AE but would figure it to chrono around the same as UMC 3080avg. This is VERY interesting and I am tempeted to make time to investigate this more this weekend time permitting. This as all the looks of XM193 shined up and packed in AE boxes. I received my boxes from Sportsmansguide and with a membership + $15 off that it is CHEAP.
Link Posted: 9/24/2004 4:58:07 PM EST
Yup, Sportsmans Guide...
If your not a member, they make you a sweeet deal.
Double the discount (10% off) + free S&H...membership ends up costing $4 and change.
I ordered on a Thursday eve, Ammo arrived on Monday.

ar15_finatik
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 2:04:52 PM EST
I made time today to take a look at the components of 3 different rounds: the "NEW" American Eagle , the old American Eagle and Lake City 2001. It looks like Federal IS using LC brass and 193 bullets in this new loading BUT not the same charge as M193 spec. This is still good news as you are getting high quality components for a much lower price. Reloaders will be more excited than most. There is no case annealing on the AE/LC2003 brass but other than that it should be the same brass. Bullets are the same boattail it seems Specs are as follows:

New American Eagle .223 :
OAL= 2.211 inches
Bullet length= .744 inches 54.4 grains
Charge weight= 26.8 grains
Case length= 1.755 inches 95.9 grains

Lake City 2001:
OAL=2.254 inches
Bullet length=.748 54.7 grains
Charge weight= 27.6
Case length=1.755 95.7 grains

Old American Eagle .223:
OAL=2.209
Bullet length= .769 54.9 grains
Charge weight= 26.6 grains
Case weight= 98.9 grains

I wouldn't really expect the same high velocities as 193 but overall it seems the same except for the charge weight. I hope this trend continues as it makes for a higher quality ammo choice for practice at a cheap price and you get great brass to boot. Now can anybody add to why this has happened?
Link Posted: 9/25/2004 6:11:54 PM EST
M199, excellent info...
even though the charge weight is a tad more than the 'normal' AE's
is there a possibility that it contains a different powder? Did the powder look the
same between the two? I'm not equipped yet to reload the .223, so my knowledge
of load data and powders is nil.

I forgot to pull out the chrony today...definitely tomarrow, but these rounds
packed more punch than anything else we fired (ie. PMP, IMG, American, Oly, etc.).
thanks for your efforts in posting this info.

ar15_finatik
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 11:23:22 AM EST

Originally Posted By ar15_finatik:
M199, excellent info...
even though the charge weight is a tad more than the 'normal' AE's
is there a possibility that it contains a different powder? Did the powder look the
same between the two? I'm not equipped yet to reload the .223, so my knowledge
of load data and powders is nil.

I forgot to pull out the chrony today...definitely tomarrow, but these rounds
packed more punch than anything else we fired (ie. PMP, IMG, American, Oly, etc.).
thanks for your efforts in posting this info.

ar15_finatik


The powder of both the LC2001 and this new AE/LC2003 look like the same flake shiny powder as did the old AE but ,yes they could have different burn rates. One thing I also noticed was the cannelure on the 2003 was set higher as compared to the LC2001 which would mean a greater seating depth which could raise pressures and velocities if the same powder was being used. The only way to be sure is to chrono this stuff, which I have no idea when I will be able to do. I will post my results when I do. Now it really would be a mystery if this was the case and this new AE was on par with M193. Hopefully this is the road to cheaper M193.
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 12:02:16 PM EST
I was able to chrono a bunch of the AE with LC03 brass today.
All was going well untill I managed to nail a round into the top of the chrono. he
1. 2980
2. 2892
3. 2913
4. 2915
5. 2887
6. 2908
7. 2894
8. 2901
9. 2874
10. 2898
11. 2875
12. hock.gif

I DID have all intentions to chrono the PMP, American, IMG, & Oly next.....&$%$@#@$!!!

ar15_finatik
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 4:33:08 PM EST
OUCH too bad, but maybe it was time for a new chrono anyway? Well it seems to be putting out the same velocity as standard commercial loads. I'll still chrono my lot. Still ALOT better than the old AE component wise. I'm a happy camper.
Link Posted: 9/26/2004 8:53:36 PM EST
I scrounged approx. 1200 once fired AE cases today at the range. They have the exact same crimp around the primer as XM-193 brass. The headstamp is not LC though. It says FC .223 REM. I was hesitant about picking them up at first, but did. After I got home, I weighed one of the FC cases, and an LC-02 case just to compare case weight. The FC case was 94.5 gr, and the LC-02 case was 96.0 gr. My theory is that the FC stamped brass is really LC produced with a civilian headstamp. The ammo was fired by my towns SWAT unit, who in the past used XM-193 for training. I will probably use the brass for blasting, and leave them where they land. Heck, they were free.
Link Posted: 9/29/2004 3:31:15 PM EST
M199, your right, the LC XM193's are hotter...
Received my batch yesterday and fired a bunch tonite.
This is great stuff...big POP, and shot the same windage position as the LC AE's but only
3/4" higher at 40yds (using my 16" bull barrel w/ match chamber).
I really missed having the Chrono tonite, definitely woudda came in handy.
Oh well, gonna need to replace it soon.

ar15-finatik
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