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Posted: 4/27/2004 8:49:28 AM EDT
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For the distance you are using the rifle at, EOTech is your better choice.
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Posted: 4/27/2004 9:20:11 AM EDT
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I think I saw an EOTech Group buy in the EE right now.
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Posted: 4/27/2004 9:49:53 AM EDT
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I agree with SMGLee. (hey that rhymed!) For 90% of my shooting, I am at 100 yards or less and have an EOTech with BUIS. I am very happy with this set up. My next project will be a 20" upper with an ACOG TA-11. That will be my 50-250+ yard set up.
BTW, there are a couple of EOTechs in the EE available used for a very good price. |
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Posted: 4/27/2004 11:29:40 AM EDT
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EOTech.
(or Aimpoint  )
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Posted: 4/27/2004 11:53:07 AM EDT
[#5]
For 75y & under and you want FAST?
EO Tech all the way. |
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Posted: 4/27/2004 12:30:12 PM EDT
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Aimpoint all the way...where's Lumpy 196 when ya need him?
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Posted: 4/27/2004 1:48:22 PM EDT
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[Lumpy] AIMPOINT [/LUMPY] 
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Posted: 4/27/2004 2:55:58 PM EDT
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I don't think you can go wrong with either the Aimpoint or the Eotech. Both are outstanding scopes that excell at the 30-75 yard range. They will both also get you out to about 300 yards with "combat accuracy".
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Posted: 4/27/2004 7:55:49 PM EDT
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Get the Aimpoint! the Eotech is plastic, the only plastic on the aimpoint is the flip covers.
Aimpoints a much better product, if anyone does not believe me, send me your eotech and I will give it a few tests |
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Posted: 4/27/2004 9:22:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/27/2004 9:26:33 PM EDT
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If you are looking primarily for speed and that is your biggest concern, I would suggest the EoTech as well. Actually, I would suggest the Aimpoint, but... oh well. You get the idea.
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Posted: 4/27/2004 9:57:15 PM EDT
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Boom,
EOtech is as rugged as the Aimpoint, if not more. it will take a drop and keep on working. Lumpy, right back at ya brother.. |
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Posted: 4/27/2004 10:19:31 PM EDT
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Put your money where your mouth is! Send me a eotech and I will do a fair test against a aimpoint and film it as well. Both sites will go thru the same treatment. 
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Posted: 4/28/2004 4:27:43 AM EDT
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PincoPala is one of our Italian members. He is in their military. He reported seeing an EoTech mounted to a MP5 being dropped from off a helicopter taking off. I dont recall how high he said it was, but it was high. I do recall him saying the gun fell right on the optic. I also recall him saying the gun was toast but the EoTech worked. Now thats just one story of one optic and one amazing show of durability, and I still like Aimpoints better, but the story is impressive none the less.
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Posted: 4/28/2004 11:43:55 AM EDT
[#15]
aimpoint, ampoint, aimpoint
i also have a ta-31, but at that range go aimpoint comp m2. imho meat |
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Posted: 4/28/2004 12:54:32 PM EDT
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Aimpoint is a great sight but for CQB, there is nothing faster then a EOTech.
I use my EOTech from muzzle to 300m on a regular basis. Most of all the SpecOps team working CQB missions have all but switch to EOTechs. |
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Posted: 4/28/2004 1:05:35 PM EDT
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I call bullshit, maybe on the west coast but not over here, most units are using acogs or aimpoints. Some do use the EOtech. Lee did you see my response above? |
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Posted: 4/28/2004 2:21:38 PM EDT
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Sorry, i don't have a sight to send you, you might want to call EOTech for that.
As far as the bullshit you are calling, Special Forces, Delta are using lots of EOTechs. sending over 6000 units to Army as we speak. Canadian JTF2, and German KSK all use EOTechs. depends on what side you are on, the truth is EOTech has been slowly replacing Aimpoints in the specops communities. I am not here to start another Aimpoint vs. EOTech thread. it has been beaten to death. He asked for EOTech and ACOG and the reply would be EOTech for the distance he would be using it at. if he start another thread on Aimpoint or EOTech then I would point him to the thread from hell tagged above. |
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Posted: 4/28/2004 2:53:04 PM EDT
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I'm still calling BS on this, there is not 6000 specops guys in our entire country! If you count the teams and the delta units you get maybe, I repeat maybe 2500 and that is on the extreme far end. You cannot count REMFs. What is the sku number for this order? The army must have a approved number on this big an order, I can show you a order for over 350,000 aimpoint units. Yes I am sure some of the delta units and teams are using them but not 6000! If you can come up with the order number then I will shut the hell up. But if not, you need to withdraw your statement of 6000 units for specops units. 
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Posted: 4/28/2004 3:20:01 PM EDT
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I said sending 6000 units to the Army as we speak. Army, My friend. Army. that includes the spec op team, and all those that might have a need for the EOTech.
ARDEC placed an order for 6000 units earlier this year. Of course Army might have a 350,000 Aimpoint order, they have been using Aimpoint since mid 90s. I am just pointing out that EOTech are replacing some of the Aimpoint that is in service. You love you Aimpoint and I can understand your position. Don't get too worked up my friend, I am just a nobody.  |
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Posted: 4/28/2004 3:33:45 PM EDT
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I am not worked up at all, you made the statement and I just called you on it. No hard feelings here, I don't care what anyone uses as long as they are happy Yes I love the aimpoints but if someone has a better product then I will say so, I just have not seen one yet. You are not a nobody, you help far more poeple on this site then most. I am the nobody
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Posted: 4/28/2004 3:39:43 PM EDT
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Hey what ever works for you is what you need to go with. I have used Aimpoint (I still have two M2 and one M-XD) and found the EOTech to be a better sight. that is just my opinion. much like your, mine is just different.
ARDEC placed a 6000 units purchase order with EOTech, the unit is code name 553 with a different start up, and coated internals to avoid all possible reflections. 3000 units send to Stryker and unnamed number to Spec Ops community. Those are all facts. and i don't might if you call me on it.  |
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Posted: 4/28/2004 3:45:27 PM EDT
[#23]
And the winner is........
SMGLee!!!!
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Posted: 4/28/2004 4:10:05 PM EDT
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OK since you want to keep this going, I call BS again for the third time. # 1 you won't send me one of your EOtechs for testing, # 2 you cannot provide a Army contract number and # 3 here is a pic of a Stryker unit, How many EOtechs do you see compared to Aimpoints? I thought they all had EOtechs, what happened? Where are the 6000 units? not with these guys. Get your facts togeother and come back, so you can play with Boom. Mattld who is the winner now?  
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Posted: 4/28/2004 4:15:27 PM EDT
[#25]
What about the Trijicon Tri-power? any good? |
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Posted: 4/28/2004 4:54:00 PM EDT
[#26]
That is a hell of a broad statement. |
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Posted: 4/28/2004 7:30:04 PM EDT
[#27]
Personally, this has gotten old. I like what I like, and thats all that matters to me. I could post WHY, but then we'd have another 20 page thread debating it.
For most people, an Aimpoint or an Eotech, and especially an ACOG is a major accessory investment. Figure out what your NEEDS are and then somehow, find an example of each an try it out. Only then will you know which one is the best FOR YOU. |
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Posted: 4/28/2004 8:23:29 PM EDT
[#28]
"cant we all just get along?"
its all good in the neighborhood!meat |
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Posted: 4/28/2004 8:29:17 PM EDT
[#29]
I thought I was rather diplomatic
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Posted: 4/28/2004 8:41:14 PM EDT
[#30]
Focus people, focus. Re-read the topic question - ACOG or EOTech.
I too perfer Aimpoint after seeing it and the EOTech side by side, but that is not the issue. EOTech vs Aimpoint is indeed an interesting topic, and the tacked thread is a good read (hence the place to go if someone wants to add to the "madness" of that thread). Giving alternatives to the original question is indeed helpful information - but beating a dead horse is redundant. |
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Posted: 4/29/2004 7:41:57 AM EDT
[#31]
 Boom, we can do this all day long. I like both optics, ands it is a personal perference as to who likes what. I respect your decision on the Aimpoint, just like Lumpy and I have an understanding. nevertheless, I am an EOTech guy and you are an Aimpoint guy. Kinda like Ford vs. Chevy. Porsche vs. Ferrari, Coke vs. Pepis, or Honda vs. Harley.
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Posted: 4/29/2004 8:31:12 AM EDT
[#32]
You are right, but you cannot make statements like this without backing it up. I will leave this alone now.
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Posted: 4/29/2004 8:54:07 AM EDT
[#33]
Those are some interesting mounts
 PS, EOTech lover checking in |
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Posted: 4/29/2004 11:28:59 AM EDT
[#34]
Fine BOOM then send Chen your M2 for HIS testing.... Calling BS because someone won't send you a $350 sight for free?? Buy your own and test it.
A photo taken PRIOR to the Army ordering the sights you should add.... (that photo was circulated prior to EOTech announcing their order from the Army). |
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Posted: 4/29/2004 1:29:46 PM EDT
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Boom,
That's my pic (I know the guy in the back row, third from left). To be fair, all of the guys were issued AimPoints, but the two guys with the EOTechs bought them with their own money because they preferred them over the AimPoint. I personally prefer the AimPoint, but I've used an EOTech, and they are terrific optics as well, and I'd not hesitate to use one if need be. In fact, my eventual next upper is likely to be wearing one. -Troy |
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Posted: 4/29/2004 6:29:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/29/2004 9:45:02 PM EDT
[#37]
crumb... you going to sell that Comp ACOG? As you know, Im on a mission from god to collect them all!!!
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Posted: 4/30/2004 12:27:06 PM EDT
[#38]
I don't get the whole aimpoint vs eotech thing. Sure you can have a pref for one, but they are all non-magnified red dots. Except for durability/features they should all perform the same.
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Posted: 4/30/2004 1:47:45 PM EDT
[#39]
Wow. I was out of the country for a few days and see what I have started before I left.
Thank you all for the inputs. I will be heading to a local gun shop this weekend to check out both including the Aim point also. Again, thank you for all the inputs. Rgds, Al. |
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Posted: 4/30/2004 4:56:24 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/30/2004 5:32:10 PM EDT
[#41]
"I'm still calling BS on this, there is not 6000 specops guys in our entire country! If you count the teams and the delta units you get maybe, I repeat maybe 2500 and that is on the extreme far end. You cannot count REMFs. What is the sku number for this order? "
Last I heard there were something like 25,000 Army SF guys. That was back in 2002, since then they have been recruiting a lot of guys. Compareing orders on issue equipment to better non-issue equipment is mindless. The better gear is not what the ground pounders get in the vast majority of cases. Take gear for example: SDS is not the best gear maker in the country and SDS nylon is crap compared to 1000denier cordura. Many people make a better mousetrap but the better mousetrap costs more $ and when you have to buy 300K at a time the price matters. I just don't know how you can compare a 600M 4power sight with a reflex sight. at 75yds go with the EO, for better flexibility at greater cost, get the ACOG/DR Optic combo and you have the best of both worlds. |
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Posted: 4/30/2004 5:35:13 PM EDT
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By the way that picture of a line Mech-infantry unit with a couple EO-techs says a lot, those soldiers liked them enough to purchase them themselves when they allready had free aimpoints.
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Posted: 4/30/2004 5:42:25 PM EDT
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I seriously do not believe that the SF Operators in SMGLees picture purchased the Eotechs with their own money. Alot of money has been poured into Special Forces over the past few years. This small group probably did prefer Eotechs and the U.S. Army payed for them. |
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Posted: 4/30/2004 6:25:33 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/2/2004 8:19:26 PM EDT
[#45]
Boom you should stop now while you still have a little credibility. There are far more than 6000 SOF In the ARMY alone. That is without counting CAG.
As for the stryker guys pictured, while they are some hard charging High Speed folks, they are as far away from Special Forces as you can get. They are conventional forces. And as far as SF guys buying their own EOTech, yes this happens and happened alot in Afganistan, this led to the Army buying some too. Aparently the 6000 in question. I KNOW for a FACT that the EOTECH is held in high regard by Army SF. The Aimpoint is the only optic of the three in discussion that is not liked and this was due to poor performance while useing NV. Not saying all SF dislike the Aimpoint, but that I have only heard bad things about the Aimpoint. The opinion was that of some recently returning SF COMBAT vets from Afganistan. They rave about the EOTech though......  |
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Posted: 5/2/2004 8:52:28 PM EDT
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Not that we are big trailblazers, but our high speed team transitioned from Aimpoints to EoT's a little (two years almost right Chen?) while ago - and it is the current issue CF CCO.
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Posted: 5/2/2004 9:13:10 PM EDT
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I live 20 mins from MacDill/Centcom I know dozens of guys all Delta they train with me several times a year when their in town, Delta would not be able to move as a unit if there was 6000 field personnel period. You EOtech guys are pissed I called him on it, I asked for the number and still have have not recieved it. When you have it we will talk again. Until then go away. |
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Posted: 5/2/2004 9:22:36 PM EDT
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Boom,
You are mistaking ARSOC for CAG. I have seen EO's on Dboy guns. You are also IMHO being an assclown about this issue - |
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Posted: 5/2/2004 9:35:05 PM EDT
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1. No I am not. 2. I never said they didn't have them, the units can buy their own gear I know that. 3. Hey I'm an ass, I am not here to stroke your ego! I called him on it, I tell it like it is, sometimes that hurts. Remember he said Delta, go back and look. Where's the proof? |
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Posted: 5/2/2004 9:55:39 PM EDT
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boom,
I don't care who you PLAY with. I know only what I know. And I have figured out that you must be about 17 years old and still craping in your pants and popping zits on your ass. There are 7 deploying and 8 actual ARMY SF Groups world wide. all with atleast 2500 plus members each, and they travel in teams just fine thank you very much. I was a member of 7th SF and am currently w/ 20th. Next you have 1st 2nd and 3rd Ranger BN's, plus 75 RGT. close to 3000 there.....call one of those guys a REMF and get your ass handed to you. Next you have the 160th SOAR and I would bet you money even someone that plays w/ folks he thinks are CAG wouldn't call them REMF's. Then you can still add 4 POG, 112th, 628th and this is just at FT Bragg......all members of USASOC plus some I can't recall. This is all not counting your buds at CAG and not counting NSW, or AFSOF Now as for order numbers and what kind of underwear everybody prefers, I don't know. Sorry you will just have to stick with your underoos until you get better intell. So sit back, take another picture of your AR and post it in a thread.............. MASTER BLASTER Join Army Special Forces! Ask me how. |
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