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Posted: 2/21/2005 6:04:36 PM EDT
I havn't seen too many lately. I like them better than the M4gerys. Thanks!
Link Posted: 2/21/2005 6:05:47 PM EDT
I've been wondering WTF A4 really stands for, I got an A2 and an A3 flattop, but an A4? WTF?
Link Posted: 2/21/2005 6:12:47 PM EDT

Link Posted: 2/21/2005 6:17:14 PM EDT

Originally Posted By 1Gunner:
I've been wondering WTF A4 really stands for, I got an A2 and an A3 flattop, but an A4? WTF?



A4 is the military designator for a flat top M16.

A3 is the what most civilian manufacturers refer to the flat top receiver as.

So A3 = A4, for most discussions here.
Link Posted: 2/21/2005 6:26:15 PM EDT
Sweet rifle Duffy.
That's going to be my next project. Probably be kinda involved since I think you have to basically piece it all together.
Link Posted: 2/21/2005 6:29:37 PM EDT
Here's mine. Nothing fancy.

Link Posted: 2/21/2005 6:29:45 PM EDT

Originally Posted By mongo001:

Originally Posted By 1Gunner:
I've been wondering WTF A4 really stands for, I got an A2 and an A3 flattop, but an A4? WTF?



A4 is the military designator for a flat top M16.

A3 is the what most civilian manufacturers refer to the flat top receiver as.

So A3 = A4, for most discussions here.



Gracious
Link Posted: 2/21/2005 6:30:31 PM EDT
Yep, but is it ever a fun project
Link Posted: 2/21/2005 6:35:46 PM EDT
"Labor of love"

Turned out really nice.
Link Posted: 2/21/2005 6:45:33 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Duffy:
home.earthlink.net/~whitman/RASM5.JPG




Is that the KAC RAS?
Link Posted: 2/21/2005 6:48:01 PM EDT
I thought A3 vs. A4 was the difference between 3-rd burst and FA.
Link Posted: 2/21/2005 6:49:08 PM EDT
A4 is the military designation for a flat top, but A4gery generally refers to a copy of the M16A4, which is a flat top 20" with a KAC M5 RAS
Link Posted: 2/21/2005 6:55:43 PM EDT
Yes it's a KAC RAS M5, with its tell tale locking tabs for the M203
Link Posted: 2/21/2005 7:15:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By kiel1:
I thought A3 vs. A4 was the difference between 3-rd burst and FA.

you're thinking of M4 (burst) and M4A1 (FA).
Link Posted: 2/21/2005 7:23:21 PM EDT

Originally Posted By topgunpilot20:

Originally Posted By kiel1:
I thought A3 vs. A4 was the difference between 3-rd burst and FA.

you're thinking of M4 (burst) and M4A1 (FA).



M16A2- Safe-Semi-Burst
M16A3-M16A2 with Full rock n' roll, not burst
M16A4-Flattop M16 with Safe-Semi-Burst

WIZZO
Link Posted: 2/21/2005 8:16:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/21/2005 8:17:11 PM EDT by Hoplophile]

Originally Posted By JeffersonDarcy:
A4 is the military designation for a flat top, but A4gery generally refers to a copy of the M16A4, which is a flat top 20" with a KAC M5 RAS

The RAS is not a part of the M16A4 specification. The military simply decided that the front-line units who are getting A4s also need railed handguards so they are doing the logical thing (imagine that!) and buying what the shooters need.

ETA to add:
Link Posted: 2/21/2005 8:31:40 PM EDT


Link Posted: 2/21/2005 10:28:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/22/2005 5:26:28 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hoplophile:

Originally Posted By JeffersonDarcy:
A4 is the military designation for a flat top, but A4gery generally refers to a copy of the M16A4, which is a flat top 20" with a KAC M5 RAS

The RAS is not a part of the M16A4 specification. The military simply decided that the front-line units who are getting A4s also need railed handguards so they are doing the logical thing (imagine that!) and buying what the shooters need.

ETA to add: mywebpages.comcast.net/hoplophile/A4gery.jpg



Nice rifle... YHM handguards?
Link Posted: 2/22/2005 5:33:57 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2005 5:36:48 AM EDT by Smithy]

Originally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14:

Originally Posted By topgunpilot20:

Originally Posted By kiel1:
I thought A3 vs. A4 was the difference between 3-rd burst and FA.

you're thinking of M4 (burst) and M4A1 (FA).



M16A2- Safe-Semi-Burst
M16A3-M16A2 with Full rock n' roll, not burst
M16A4-Flattop M16 with Safe-Semi-Burst

WIZZO



For some reason when i was in boot camp at Benning my M16a4 was full auto. It said burst but was full auto. I didnt figure it out until we went to the moving target burst range. I fired off my first string of about 12 and the DS looked at me funny. He grabed my weapon and put a full mag in it and hollared at the othe DS and range cadre and unloaded the whole mag from the hip. He then yelled "this is fuckin awesome!!" And also my A4 had the kac 4-rail handguards on them too, that is why i will never get an A4 with a 4rail because it was a bitch to carry through a 25 K road march. Ill carry the M4 anyday.
Link Posted: 2/22/2005 5:49:36 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Smithy:

Originally Posted By WIZZO_ARAKM14:

Originally Posted By topgunpilot20:

Originally Posted By kiel1:
I thought A3 vs. A4 was the difference between 3-rd burst and FA.

you're thinking of M4 (burst) and M4A1 (FA).



M16A2- Safe-Semi-Burst
M16A3-M16A2 with Full rock n' roll, not burst
M16A4-Flattop M16 with Safe-Semi-Burst

WIZZO



For some reason when i was in boot camp at Benning my M16a4 was full auto. It said burst but was full auto. I didnt figure it out until we went to the moving target burst range. I fired off my first string of about 12 and the DS looked at me funny. He grabed my weapon and put a full mag in it and hollared at the othe DS and range cadre and unloaded the whole mag from the hip. He then yelled "this is fuckin awesome!!" And also my A4 had the kac 4-rail handguards on them too, that is why i will never get an A4 with a 4rail because it was a bitch to carry through a 25 K road march. Ill carry the M4 anyday.



Well it might have been an anomaly(sp?) of some sort. As you said "I fired off my first string of about 12 and the DS looked at me funny. ", I doubt your rifle left the Prancing Pony factory that way. Maybe an Armorer dropped full rock 'n roll parts in there instead of the 3rd burst stuff. Looking through Bushmaster's catalog at home, it wouldn't surprise me if the Full auto parts were simpler to assemble, although an armorer at Benning shouldn't have a problem with that.

WIZZO
Link Posted: 2/22/2005 6:01:56 AM EDT


Here's my A4gery.
Link Posted: 2/22/2005 8:53:45 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lancelot:

Originally Posted By Hoplophile:

Originally Posted By JeffersonDarcy:
A4 is the military designation for a flat top, but A4gery generally refers to a copy of the M16A4, which is a flat top 20" with a KAC M5 RAS

The RAS is not a part of the M16A4 specification. The military simply decided that the front-line units who are getting A4s also need railed handguards so they are doing the logical thing (imagine that!) and buying what the shooters need.

ETA to add: mywebpages.comcast.net/hoplophile/A4gery.jpg



Nice rifle... YHM handguards?

Yep.

I need to update my pictures because that rifle is currently wearing a Larue BUIS and an EOtech on a Larue mount.
Link Posted: 2/22/2005 8:58:14 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Hoplophile:

Originally Posted By Lancelot:

Originally Posted By Hoplophile:

Originally Posted By JeffersonDarcy:
A4 is the military designation for a flat top, but A4gery generally refers to a copy of the M16A4, which is a flat top 20" with a KAC M5 RAS

The RAS is not a part of the M16A4 specification. The military simply decided that the front-line units who are getting A4s also need railed handguards so they are doing the logical thing (imagine that!) and buying what the shooters need.

ETA to add: mywebpages.comcast.net/hoplophile/A4gery.jpg



Nice rifle... YHM handguards?

Yep.

I need to update my pictures because that rifle is currently wearing a Larue BUIS and an EOtech on a Larue mount.




Thanks..... I have a set in the safe with a flat-top upper waiting on a 20" barrel. Mine will look something like that when its done.

Link Posted: 2/22/2005 1:01:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/22/2005 9:33:11 PM EDT by Zamo]
Here's mine, but it's pretty far removed from an accurate representation of an M16A4...a real A4gery to be sure. YHM lightweight foregrips, flip up sights, and Phantom surpressor, on an M1S full-fluted barrel and internals, nestled in an Oly upper and lower, rounded out with Armalite plastic. No pedigree here, pure mutt! I put it together almost two weeks ago and haven't had a chance to fire it yet. I'm champing at the bit pretty bad. Maybe this weekend...maybe tomorrow at lunch...
http://home.comcast.net/~csehmel/Firearms/AR15A4b.jpg
I just got a confirmation that my order of OD Moly-resin shipped from Norrell's. I am planning on doing the foregrip with that.
I also joined the T168 cheap scope bandwagon with this rifle in mind. We'll see if that $40 was wisely spent. :)
Chris in OlyWA
Link Posted: 2/22/2005 2:06:37 PM EDT






Time for some new pics.
Link Posted: 2/22/2005 2:24:40 PM EDT
My next AR will be an A3 20" govt. I wanna Aimpoint, YHM hgs, Tango Down hg grip.
Link Posted: 2/24/2005 2:54:32 PM EDT
Here is a AForgery I just finished for a friend of mine. It's a "plain Jane" but I'm sure he will enjoy it and shoot the shit out of it!

STAG ARMS Stripped Lower Receiver
CMT "T" Marked Flattop Upper Receiver
COLT LPK, Bolt, Carry Handle, Furniture and 20" 1/9 HBAR Barrel w/"F" Marked FSB
ROCK RIVER 2-Stage NM Trigger, Bolt Carrier and Charging Handle
HOGUE Grip


Link Posted: 2/24/2005 4:52:36 PM EDT
Here's mine.........

Link Posted: 2/24/2005 6:52:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/24/2005 6:53:50 PM EDT by Templar]
Link Posted: 2/24/2005 7:03:38 PM EDT

Originally Posted By Templar:
Here's on in action in Afghanistan with the Marines.

Good thing this Marine had an ACOG attached. Check out the front sight after a close encounter with a 123grn 7.62x39mm round.

img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/frontsitepostblowhoriz.jpg



That's one lucky MOTHERF*CKER!!!!

BTW I like the mag pouch on the stock...90rds sounds good to me

WIZZO
Link Posted: 2/25/2005 4:20:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/25/2005 4:21:42 AM EDT by Sargeshobbies]
Can you say.......LUCKY MARINE !!!!
Link Posted: 2/25/2005 4:37:52 AM EDT

Here's my A4gery.
Link Posted: 2/25/2005 3:56:15 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2/25/2005 7:51:58 PM EDT by Zamo]
I finally got to go plinking with my A4gery, and it swallowed 200 rounds without a hiccup...and most of that was Wolf!
I am going to purposefully not clean this rifle for a while and see how long I go without a malfunction, as it is built from such an amalgum of different vendors.
BTW - the T168 was only two clicks high out of the box. Neat cheap scope.
FWIW, the YHM BUIS is on the hand-guard for storage, not application. I wasn't able to get the proper eye relief with it in place.

I think I'll put a #40L in the back and see if it fits under there...
Link Posted: 2/25/2005 4:26:08 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/25/2005 4:50:04 PM EDT
Link Posted: 2/27/2005 7:16:09 AM EDT
What is that "empty space" towards the front of the RAS 5 for, the section without rails?

Link Posted: 2/27/2005 8:19:44 AM EDT

Originally Posted By rag:
What is that "empty space" towards the front of the RAS 5 for, the section without rails?




Mounting the M203
Link Posted: 3/24/2005 4:39:47 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Strazz:
plaza.ufl.edu/strazz/A4.jpg




Hey Strazz... nice rifle. Is that a phantom up front?
How do you like the LaRue 12.0?
Link Posted: 3/24/2005 4:56:43 AM EDT

Originally Posted By Lancelot:

Originally Posted By Strazz:
plaza.ufl.edu/strazz/A4.jpg




Hey Strazz... nice rifle. Is that a phantom up front?
How do you like the LaRue 12.0?



Thanks! Yup, it's a 5C1. I absolutely love the 12.0, along with all of the other LaRue gear I've purchased from Grant. The weight is good, all of my accessories fit without a problem, and it's rock solid. I've ordered a 9.0 for the midlength barrel that I'm eagerly awaiting.
Link Posted: 3/24/2005 5:44:33 AM EDT



MN
Link Posted: 4/3/2005 2:09:06 PM EDT
M4A2,
Let's see more of the car that A4-gery is leaning against!


Rich
Link Posted: 4/3/2005 2:19:42 PM EDT
Just put the upper together yesterday. All Bushmaster, except for a CMT flat-top upper with laser engraved T-Numbers. Barrel is a Bushmaster 20" A2 1/7.

The thing on the end is the new USMC bayonet.






Same rifle with the handle off and an LMT rear.





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Link Posted: 4/3/2005 2:27:28 PM EDT










Link Posted: 6/15/2005 6:38:32 PM EDT
Bump to a great thread. I'm saving to do my own A4gery but getting a bit weak here recently. More pics needed to keep me from running astray.
Link Posted: 6/15/2005 7:07:09 PM EDT
Sweet rifles. If someone can host pics for me (computer illiterate) I will email pics of mine.

Ozzy
Link Posted: 6/15/2005 7:20:27 PM EDT
Link Posted: 6/16/2005 10:27:56 AM EDT
email replied to and a couple of pics sent.

thanks

ozzy
Link Posted: 6/16/2005 10:53:14 AM EDT
I thought A3 was a full auto flat top and an A4 was a burst flat top? A1's being full auto, A2 being burst. (except a small number of early full auto A2's)
Link Posted: 6/16/2005 11:36:53 AM EDT
Link Posted: 6/16/2005 11:44:12 AM EDT
ozarak,
Sweet looking pair! I'm hoping to do a very similar setup. An M4gery with Aimpoint and an A4gery with ACOG.
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