User Panel
Posted: 9/14/2016 11:41:19 PM EDT
Hi all, I need some advice on A2 carry handles. I have built a couple of AR-15's and I have never used a carry handle on any of them. I have a M4 from PSA that has a flip up rear sight. I just bought another full kit from PSA and I'm thinking I would like to run a carry handle.
What are the difference between A2 carry handles? I see the prices ranging from $29-100 (over a hundred bucks). Who has the best deal going right now on them? I am neck deep into six retro builds (selling one of my retro kits maybe) and I'm on a bit of a budget. Can I get a good carry handle in the $50-$60 price range? Would it be mil-spec? Are all carry handles on the market right now mil-spec? Tell me what I need to look for and stay away from. Thanks for all the help. |
|
An A2 is a non-removable carry handle that is part of the upper.
A removable is an A4 or M4. There are 8/3 or 6/3 handles. The 6/3 are more common. I would stick to Colt P&S, or FN. Too much commercial junk out there. I have new take-off Colt if you want to PM me. |
|
Quoted:
An A2 is a non-removable carry handle that is part of the upper. A removable is an A4 or M4. There are 8/3 or 6/3 handles. The 6/3 are more common. I would stick to Colt P&S, or FN. Too much commercial junk out there. I have new take-off Colt if you want to PM me. View Quote Thanks for the info! PM inbound. |
|
Agreed that there's a lot of junk handles out there. I picked up a Colt take off from the EE. Depending on condition, they can be had for $40 - $60.
|
|
be careful there used to be Commercial & Milspec carry handles...
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_3_18/551032_Mil_spec_vs__non_milspec_carry_detachable_carry_handle.html |
|
Quoted:
Are all carry handles on the market right now mil-spec? Tell me what I need to look for and stay away from. Thanks for all the help. View Quote there is airsoft junk to mil-spec mil-spec will be anodized aluminum and parked steel parts. The dentents springs will be tight and "snap". Airsoft/chinese handles will have some slight movement in th adjustments and generally be poorer quality. Used mil spec from the EE or ebay is the way to go. I have used the UTG handles (i needed 20 of them and they were cheap) but if onl 1-2 get a USGI used |
|
Removable handles are all 6/3. Because they are removable there is not enough clearance for the longer screws found on the 8/3. There are two heights, mil-spec and commercial. If you Google it, you will find images of the two different heights.
|
|
Quoted:
Quoted:
An A2 is a non-removable carry handle that is part of the upper. A removable is an A4 or M4. There are 8/3 or 6/3 handles. The 6/3 are more common. I would stick to Colt P&S, or FN. Too much commercial junk out there. I have new take-off Colt if you want to PM me. Thanks for the info! PM inbound. I have a few from Windham Weaponry and they are good stuff. http://www.windhamweaponry.com/shopexd.asp?id=155#axzz4KL7mC7vM I have even used one from DS Arms and it worked fine. https://www.dsarms.com/p-12322.aspx?searchEngineName=dsa-ar15-mil-spec-us-made-removable-carry-handlerear-sight It really depends on what you are willing to spend for a good detachable carrying handle. There are many that are cheap (less than $50). I would steer clear of them. A good one will cost you between $85 - $125. |
|
Thanks everyone. I did not know there was a difference. I would have thought they were all mil-spec. I was wrong.
A member messaged me with a Colt take off carry handle. It is within my price range. Also thanks for the links to the carry handles and information on the differences. This is a budget build and I am using a PSA lower that I bought with an LPK. I sold the LPK a while back and the upper kit I bought has the same LPK. So I will be into this rifle around 600-650. The upper kit is also a premium kit. I keep asking myself should I get a carry handle or should I just go with a flip up rear sight? Keep the info coming as I have a lot to learn. If you have links to great deals feel free to post. My retro builds as of right now take precedent over other builds. I wish Brownells has the 20" barrels! |
|
RRA sells them too. Mine are all that brand and seem real good.
|
|
I was looking on eBay and the ones that are saying mil-spec Colt have a forging mark. Looks to be a square. I have been looking at pics on other sale sights and they all look to have that forge marking.
Is there really a way of telling if its a real Colt or not? I'm not a brand name loyal kind of guy for most things. I know you get what you pay for. Also, how did UTG get to be mil-spec? I see good reviews on those. I had an old M4 style AR that I put a UTG A2 peep sight on and guys gave me heck for it. It worked and never lost zero and the guy I sold the rifle to is still using it. What is everyone's take on UTG? |
|
I used to find used, take-off M4 carry handles at gun shows for $25. Haven't seen any this year. If I were buying a new one, I'd wait on a sale at Palmetto Armory. IIRC, I've seen them for $49 or $59.
I'd avoid $29 Chinese copies. Better to burn a twenty dollar bill. At least you'd have $9 afterwards. |
|
Quoted:
I was looking on eBay and the ones that are saying mil-spec Colt have a forging mark. Looks to be a square. I have been looking at pics on other sale sights and they all look to have that forge marking. Is there really a way of telling if its a real Colt or not? I'm not a brand name loyal kind of guy for most things. I know you get what you pay for. Also, how did UTG get to be mil-spec? I see good reviews on those. I had an old M4 style AR that I put a UTG A2 peep sight on and guys gave me heck for it. It worked and never lost zero and the guy I sold the rifle to is still using it. What is everyone's take on UTG? View Quote Personally I would avoid UTG. Just my opinion, most is near airsoft quality. I have seen BAFE (square), Cardinal (birds head), and Anchor Harvey (splintered A) forge marks on Colts. Not sure if there is any way to tell for sure if it came off a Colt. I do know that US military does not use UTG. |
|
I am just now rebuilding my AR collection from having to sell off. I have a couple carry handles but am not sure where I got them over the last 20 years. I need to use them until I can afford red dots and BUIS.
So how can I tell if the carry handles are junk? Any visual clues that I can look for? Thanks for asking about these OP. I needed to know about carry handles as well. |
|
|
Be careful on ebay. There is a lot of Chinese knockoff stuff on there, and maybe even some with "colt markings". The chinese have really started to get a foothold in the AR market with cheap knockoff stuff. Some of it is... ok. A lot of it is unusable. It's a real gamble. Know your supplier.
I bought a couple A2 screw on sight blocks on ebay not to long ago. Kind of a knockoff of the LMT A2 sight. I should've just lit the money on fire, they're totally worthless. Wont lock down to the rail worth a damn, the sights are crude, and the springs are weak. That said, I bought a knockoff a few years back that was really good. Anyway, I'm past all that now. I've really started to take a liking to the DD A1.5 sights. They're very very lightweight, very well made, and appear to be bomb proof... all for around $60. I'll probably slowly move all my iron sight only AR's over to this sight. I like the A1 windage drum a lot. Less to get bumped and screwed up. Some affectionately refer to A2 sights as "Dial-A-Miss" around here. I don't necessarily subscribe to that, but A1 sights have their merits too. |
|
|
Quoted:
Be careful on ebay. There is a lot of Chinese knockoff stuff on there, and maybe even some with "colt markings". The chinese have really started to get a foothold in the AR market with cheap knockoff stuff. Some of it is... ok. A lot of it is unusable. It's a real gamble. Know your supplier. I bought a couple A2 screw on sight blocks on ebay not to long ago. Kind of a knockoff of the LMT A2 sight. I should've just lit the money on fire, they're totally worthless. Wont lock down to the rail worth a damn, the sights are crude, and the springs are weak. That said, I bought a knockoff a few years back that was really good. Anyway, I'm past all that now. I've really started to take a liking to the DD A1.5 sights. They're very very lightweight, very well made, and appear to be bomb proof... all for around $60. I'll probably slowly move all my iron sight only AR's over to this sight. I like the A1 windage drum a lot. Less to get bumped and screwed up. Some affectionately refer to A2 sights as "Dial-A-Miss" around here. I don't necessarily subscribe to that, but A1 sights have their merits too. View Quote DD A1.5 is hard to beat, imo. Also, OP, if you want a guaranteed Colt take off, I'll hook you up, IM me if interested. I have a clean used one gathering dust.Splintered A forge code. |
|
Quoted:
I am just now rebuilding my AR collection from having to sell off. I have a couple carry handles but am not sure where I got them over the last 20 years. I need to use them until I can afford red dots and BUIS. So how can I tell if the carry handles are junk? Any visual clues that I can look for? Thanks for asking about these OP. I needed to know about carry handles as well. View Quote Glade to see I am not the only one trying to understand it all. It is madness. I started with AK's and moved into the AR's and somehow I have gotten neck deep into six retro builds and one M4 build. I'm not sure why I am doing this to myself. |
|
Quoted:
Be careful on ebay. There is a lot of Chinese knockoff stuff on there, and maybe even some with "colt markings". The chinese have really started to get a foothold in the AR market with cheap knockoff stuff. Some of it is... ok. A lot of it is unusable. It's a real gamble. Know your supplier. I bought a couple A2 screw on sight blocks on ebay not to long ago. Kind of a knockoff of the LMT A2 sight. I should've just lit the money on fire, they're totally worthless. Wont lock down to the rail worth a damn, the sights are crude, and the springs are weak. That said, I bought a knockoff a few years back that was really good. Anyway, I'm past all that now. I've really started to take a liking to the DD A1.5 sights. They're very very lightweight, very well made, and appear to be bomb proof... all for around $60. I'll probably slowly move all my iron sight only AR's over to this sight. I like the A1 windage drum a lot. Less to get bumped and screwed up. Some affectionately refer to A2 sights as "Dial-A-Miss" around here. I don't necessarily subscribe to that, but A1 sights have their merits too. View Quote I got stung with an EBay carry handle, ended up buying a RRA stand alone rear sight assembly, which is amazing. I had a DD 1.5 on a previous AR. I replaced the windage wheel with a real A2 knob and it worked well. Only run the RRA on my current rifle because I use it for long distance work. |
|
PSA has real deal carry handles (complete w/forge mark) on the cheap
|
|
|
|
'I keep asking myself should I get a carry handle or should I just go with a flip up rear sight?'
The carry handle will be a much better choice IF you intend to use only sights and no optics/scopes. If you have good vision and know how to shoot, using the irons can be very accurate. They don't need batteries, there's no lens to be kept clean and maybe get cracked and the sights don't care if you jump in the ocean and come up shooting or go from steamy jungle to arctic cold. In short they are the ultimate in reliability and adequate in accuracy for general combat situations. |
|
Do not buy any carry handle that isn't made by a known USA manufacturer. Lots of Colt take-offs are for sale in EE and they all come marked with a C on the forging. Those are probably the best available. FN, Armalite, DPMS, Rock River etc. are all good quality carry handles that are easily purchased directly from them eliminating any question about authenticity.
Look at $100.00 as the base cost for admission to the fun park. $29.00 carry handles should come with a siren going off warning the buyer that pot metal was used in the sight parts and it isn't machined perfectly true. |
|
Quoted: I was looking on eBay and the ones that are saying mil-spec Colt have a forging mark. Looks to be a square. I have been looking at pics on other sale sights and they all look to have that forge marking. Is there really a way of telling if its a real Colt or not? I'm not a brand name loyal kind of guy for most things. I know you get what you pay for. Also, how did UTG get to be mil-spec? I see good reviews on those. I had an old M4 style AR that I put a UTG A2 peep sight on and guys gave me heck for it. It worked and never lost zero and the guy I sold the rifle to is still using it. What is everyone's take on UTG? View Quote |
|
Quoted:
'I keep asking myself should I get a carry handle or should I just go with a flip up rear sight?' The carry handle will be a much better choice IF you intend to use only sights and no optics/scopes. If you have good vision and know how to shoot, using the irons can be very accurate. They don't need batteries, there's no lens to be kept clean and maybe get cracked and the sights don't care if you jump in the ocean and come up shooting or go from steamy jungle to arctic cold. In short they are the ultimate in reliability and adequate in accuracy for general combat situations. View Quote As with many things in my life, I'm old school and prefer the carry handle/sight not for looks but because I wanted bombproof dependability. I expect to use my rifles and in that event, need (as we all do) something that can be banged around w/o my sight picture fuct up |
|
Quoted:
Do not buy any carry handle that isn't made by a known USA manufacturer. Lots of Colt take-offs are for sale in EE and they all come marked with a C on the forging. Those are probably the best available. FN, Armalite, DPMS, Rock River etc. are all good quality carry handles that are easily purchased directly from them eliminating any question about authenticity. Look at $100.00 as the base cost for admission to the fun park. $29.00 carry handles should come with a siren going off warning the buyer that pot metal was used in the sight parts and it isn't machined perfectly true. View Quote Carry handles don't have C or other manufacturer markings. They have a forge mark, and many of the manufacturers share the same forgings, so there is no way to definitely say one is a Colt or another known manufacturer. |
|
Research led to archives here and other places. The ones I have are Cardinal Forge. I am now trying to figure if they are milspec or commercial height.
|
|
Quoted:
Carry handles don't have C or other manufacturer markings. They have a forge mark, and many of the manufacturers share the same forgings, so there is no way to definitely say one is a Colt or another known manufacturer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
Do not buy any carry handle that isn't made by a known USA manufacturer. Lots of Colt take-offs are for sale in EE and they all come marked with a C on the forging. Those are probably the best available. FN, Armalite, DPMS, Rock River etc. are all good quality carry handles that are easily purchased directly from them eliminating any question about authenticity. Look at $100.00 as the base cost for admission to the fun park. $29.00 carry handles should come with a siren going off warning the buyer that pot metal was used in the sight parts and it isn't machined perfectly true. Carry handles don't have C or other manufacturer markings. They have a forge mark, and many of the manufacturers share the same forgings, so there is no way to definitely say one is a Colt or another known manufacturer. Thats what I thought also, never seen a "C" marked handle, only forge marks. |
|
Quoted:
Research led to archives here and other places. The ones I have are Cardinal Forge. I am now trying to figure if they are milspec or commercial height. View Quote I believe one is 0.040" shorter in height? Maybe commercial one? Dont quote me, just think I remember reading that someplace. |
|
|
Quoted:
Thats what I thought also, never seen a "C" marked handle, only forge marks. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Do not buy any carry handle that isn't made by a known USA manufacturer. Lots of Colt take-offs are for sale in EE and they all come marked with a C on the forging. Those are probably the best available. FN, Armalite, DPMS, Rock River etc. are all good quality carry handles that are easily purchased directly from them eliminating any question about authenticity. Look at $100.00 as the base cost for admission to the fun park. $29.00 carry handles should come with a siren going off warning the buyer that pot metal was used in the sight parts and it isn't machined perfectly true. Carry handles don't have C or other manufacturer markings. They have a forge mark, and many of the manufacturers share the same forgings, so there is no way to definitely say one is a Colt or another known manufacturer. Thats what I thought also, never seen a "C" marked handle, only forge marks. Both of my Colt carry handles have a forge mark and a C next to it. The C protrudes from the forging, it's not engraved. |
|
Quoted:
Carry handles don't have C or other manufacturer markings. They have a forge mark, and many of the manufacturers share the same forgings, so there is no way to definitely say one is a Colt or another known manufacturer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
Do not buy any carry handle that isn't made by a known USA manufacturer. Lots of Colt take-offs are for sale in EE and they all come marked with a C on the forging. Those are probably the best available. FN, Armalite, DPMS, Rock River etc. are all good quality carry handles that are easily purchased directly from them eliminating any question about authenticity. Look at $100.00 as the base cost for admission to the fun park. $29.00 carry handles should come with a siren going off warning the buyer that pot metal was used in the sight parts and it isn't machined perfectly true. Carry handles don't have C or other manufacturer markings. They have a forge mark, and many of the manufacturers share the same forgings, so there is no way to definitely say one is a Colt or another known manufacturer. Check Molon's Colt carry handle thread. His Colt's all have the C protruding next to the forge marking as do mine. |
|
Quoted:
Both of my Colt carry handles have a forge mark and a C next to it. The C protrudes from the forging, it's not engraved. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Do not buy any carry handle that isn't made by a known USA manufacturer. Lots of Colt take-offs are for sale in EE and they all come marked with a C on the forging. Those are probably the best available. FN, Armalite, DPMS, Rock River etc. are all good quality carry handles that are easily purchased directly from them eliminating any question about authenticity. Look at $100.00 as the base cost for admission to the fun park. $29.00 carry handles should come with a siren going off warning the buyer that pot metal was used in the sight parts and it isn't machined perfectly true. Carry handles don't have C or other manufacturer markings. They have a forge mark, and many of the manufacturers share the same forgings, so there is no way to definitely say one is a Colt or another known manufacturer. Thats what I thought also, never seen a "C" marked handle, only forge marks. Both of my Colt carry handles have a forge mark and a C next to it. The C protrudes from the forging, it's not engraved. Yep. Just did a Google image search....just like you say, raised "C" next to forge mark. I'll be damned...I LEARNED SOMETHING NEW TODAY. I have never seen one in person. |
|
Quoted:
I believe one is 0.040" shorter in height? Maybe commercial one? Dont quote me, just think I remember reading that someplace. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
Research led to archives here and other places. The ones I have are Cardinal Forge. I am now trying to figure if they are milspec or commercial height. I believe one is 0.040" shorter in height? Maybe commercial one? Dont quote me, just think I remember reading that someplace. I would avoid that, just get the .040 longer sight pin if it is a concern. It is what I did, a $5 sight pin (overpriced for a tiny little piece of nothing but really not that bad in the grande scheme of things) is a lot easier than hunting down a freak of a carry handle. It is what I did on mine (Windham 20" barrels do not have the F marked front sight base), it is minute of a pop can accurate at 40yds shooting offhand as it sits with everything set at zero. |
|
Can someone tell me what this is? "COLT - AR15A4 BASE, CARRYING HANDLE"
I found it for $55.99 but it has no picture. The kit that I bought was a PSA M4 premium rifle kit. I'm still looking around reading up on things and waiting before I jump into anything. Also saving a bit of money to buy. Thanks. |
|
Quoted:
Can someone tell me what this is? "COLT - AR15A4 BASE, CARRYING HANDLE" I found it for $55.99 but it has no picture. The kit that I bought was a PSA M4 premium rifle kit. I'm still looking around reading up on things and waiting before I jump into anything. Also saving a bit of money to buy. Thanks. View Quote Stripped carry handle. No sight parts, no clamp /screws. Frame only. |
|
|
Quoted:
Can someone tell me what this is? "COLT - AR15A4 BASE, CARRYING HANDLE" I found it for $55.99 but it has no picture. The kit that I bought was a PSA M4 premium rifle kit. I'm still looking around reading up on things and waiting before I jump into anything. Also saving a bit of money to buy. Thanks. View Quote It has no picture which may be a problem. Most genuine Colt carry handles start around $100.00 on the used market. I have seen some that look like they came back from the sand box. Condition plays a roll in pricing. I have never saved money buying on the cheap. What I ended up with was junk which had to be replaced with the real deal, thereby costing me much more than buying new name brand equipment to begin with. Some people are perfectly happy with "made in China" parts on their personal weapons, I am not. I have pride in ownership when I buy quality goods made in America or Sweden or Germany. A friend of mine buys the cheapest crap he can find and feeds it steel case ammo. He routinely experiences malfunctions and says he can't trust some of his firearms because they aren't 100% reliable and I only smile. I consider firearms as last ditch tools that need to work in an emergency because my life and the life of other people may depend upon it. I buy parts with this thought foremost in my mind. |
|
And dont buy cheap shit, it only costs you as previos poster said.
|
|
Quoted:
Both of my Colt carry handles have a forge mark and a C next to it. The C protrudes from the forging, it's not engraved. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Do not buy any carry handle that isn't made by a known USA manufacturer. Lots of Colt take-offs are for sale in EE and they all come marked with a C on the forging. Those are probably the best available. FN, Armalite, DPMS, Rock River etc. are all good quality carry handles that are easily purchased directly from them eliminating any question about authenticity. Look at $100.00 as the base cost for admission to the fun park. $29.00 carry handles should come with a siren going off warning the buyer that pot metal was used in the sight parts and it isn't machined perfectly true. Carry handles don't have C or other manufacturer markings. They have a forge mark, and many of the manufacturers share the same forgings, so there is no way to definitely say one is a Colt or another known manufacturer. Thats what I thought also, never seen a "C" marked handle, only forge marks. Both of my Colt carry handles have a forge mark and a C next to it. The C protrudes from the forging, it's not engraved. On carry handle (A2) style uppers, or detachable carry handles? I have never seen anything other than a forge mark on detachable carry handles. I have purchased three brand new Colt rifles that came standard with detachable carry handles, 6920, 6721, and 6940. None have anything besides the square forge mark. So even if you or someone else happens to have a C marked detachable carry handle, the object of the conversation, that still doesn't make it reliable indicator, because they would be the exception, not the norm. |
|
The detachable carry handle @ Brownells is listed as Colt and shows a raised "C" along side a BAFE forge mark. All I was pointing out. I have not seen anything other than a single forge mark.
|
|
I guess I was mistaken. Enlarged on a smart phone the image is shadowed....thought it was a "C" raised next to the BAFE square.
But yes, thats the item I was referring to. Same as OP was asking about, only complete. |
|
Quoted:
I don't know what you are referring to. The Brownells website lists one Colt Detachable Carry Handle. There are four images you can enlarge. Two of them show a square forge mark and nothing else. <a href="http://s1051.photobucket.com/user/613ForSalePics/media/PermForThreads/colt%20carry%20handle_zpskotbyp6s.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s429/613ForSalePics/PermForThreads/colt%20carry%20handle_zpskotbyp6s.jpg</a> View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
The detachable carry handle @ Brownells is listed as Colt and shows a raised "C" along side a BAFE forge mark. All I was pointing out. I have not seen anything other than a single forge mark. I don't know what you are referring to. The Brownells website lists one Colt Detachable Carry Handle. There are four images you can enlarge. Two of them show a square forge mark and nothing else. <a href="http://s1051.photobucket.com/user/613ForSalePics/media/PermForThreads/colt%20carry%20handle_zpskotbyp6s.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s429/613ForSalePics/PermForThreads/colt%20carry%20handle_zpskotbyp6s.jpg</a> The original Pony handle looks good. It was not available when I researched this in the past. Very promising. I have good experience with the Aero Precision offering. |
|
Quoted:
The original Pony handle looks good. It was not available when I researched this in the past. Very promising. I have good experience with the Aero Precision offering. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
The detachable carry handle @ Brownells is listed as Colt and shows a raised "C" along side a BAFE forge mark. All I was pointing out. I have not seen anything other than a single forge mark. I don't know what you are referring to. The Brownells website lists one Colt Detachable Carry Handle. There are four images you can enlarge. Two of them show a square forge mark and nothing else. <a href="http://s1051.photobucket.com/user/613ForSalePics/media/PermForThreads/colt%20carry%20handle_zpskotbyp6s.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i1051.photobucket.com/albums/s429/613ForSalePics/PermForThreads/colt%20carry%20handle_zpskotbyp6s.jpg</a> The original Pony handle looks good. It was not available when I researched this in the past. Very promising. I have good experience with the Aero Precision offering. I also looked at Aero Percision. They are the same make and price as Midwest Industries and a few other places I see them at too. It seems the ones with the square forge mark are running 79-129. I'm guessing if it has a name attached to it like Colt is brings a higher price. |
|
Sign up for the ARFCOM weekly newsletter and be entered to win a free ARFCOM membership. One new winner* is announced every week!
You will receive an email every Friday morning featuring the latest chatter from the hottest topics, breaking news surrounding legislation, as well as exclusive deals only available to ARFCOM email subscribers.
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.